You don't need to look any further than last week's news cycle to see proof that a girl can throw a ball: Erin DiMeglio, the first female quarterback to play high school football in Florida, made a splash by taking a spot on her team. But some research indicates it's an uphill battle.
It may be a borderline-offensive schoolyard taunt, but "throws like a girl" has an element of truth. Studies suggest that girls often don't throw as well as boys. (Boys v. girls is a little diminutive, but it's an important distinction; we'll get to that.) In fact, the "throwing gap," as it's called, is one of the biggest differences between the genders. It's not just the largest gap in physical activities--although it's the largest gap in that field--it's possibly the most salient gap. Period.
Literature on this put forward by Janet Hyde, professor of psychology and women’s studies at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, for example, has shown the disparity. Her Gender Similarities Hypothesis states, in short, that the two genders are more alike than they are different, and there's a lot of data to support the idea. (You can, and should, read about how similar we are here.)
Counting standard deviations--the measurement of difference between sets of data--she shows how even the widest psychological differences, like physical aggression (0.60 standard deviations, leaning toward men) aren't as much as you might expect. Less than 0.10 standard deviations or between 0.11 and 0.35 standard deviations was common, and those are both defined as small differences. She also measured motor behaviors in boys and girls ages 3 to 20 to get a sense of the difference. Some of those, like grip strength (0.66, toward the gentlemen again), were large compared to the rest of the data, but still small to moderate overall. Throwing velocity and throwing distance? Both blowouts, at 2.18 and 1.98 standard deviations, respectively. Well above anything else, psychological or physical.
Before puberty, the physical differences between boys and girls (see?) aren't enough to account for the throwing gap; structurally, their bodies should produce the same distance and speed in a throw. Nonetheless, girls are more likely to, for example, throw in a dart-tossing motion or step forward with the incorrect foot, which means a weaker throw. The age group from Hyde's report still falls into post-pubescence, when those natural, physical differences in size and muscle can distort the data, but even at age 4, says Jerry Thomas, dean of the College of Education at the University of North Texas in Denton, the difference is three times higher than any other motor function. In the U.S., where we're so proud of The National Pastime, the effect of doting parents vetting their boys while letting the girls slide on the skill has an effect--the same way it does anywhere baseball or other throwing-heavy sports are popular--but Thomas has researched this, too.
To account for the effects of nurturing, Thomas studied aboriginal children in Australia, who throw the same amount regardless of gender. The girls threw tennis balls at about eight-tenths the velocity of their male counterparts. In the U.S. that's only slightly more pronounced, as The Washington Post points out, with girls throwing about 51 to 78 percent of the velocity. That suggests there's some kind of explanation in addition to nurture.
Thomas pegs evolution for that, hypothesizing that throwing was the most important trait for hunting, and that the best (male) hunter was more likely to pass on his genes with the woman of his choosing. There's no way to test that theory, of course--"It's not one of those things you can go back and randomly assign people to groups and try to figure out"--but the other skills he studied, like running and jumping, would be more necessary for both sexes to use, so might account for why the gap is less pronounced today. Skills that might not be used as much by either sex, even ones as similar as underhand throwing, as opposed to ready-for-the-buffalo-slaying overhand, wouldn't show the same difference.
So what, exactly, does an ideal throw look like? Thomas says it's a three-pronged movement: a solid step forward; "differentiated rotation," i.e. the movement of the hips; and the lag of the ball, when a longer stretch of the arm might produce a better throw. "It's the only skill I know of that I can make a statement and everybody can tell me the mechanics of what it looks like: throws like a girl," Thomas says. But nonetheless, a solid throw looks something, probably, like what high school quarterback Erin DiMeglio does.
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i think we forget something, back in the pre-history days there were more polygamist relationships than monogamist relationships. it's not so much that the strongest hunter could choose the best woman to be with, it was that he got the most women to have his way with.
as for what the article states, it just proves the obvious, women can "earn" their jockstraps so to speak but in the end do they ever feel something is missing?
to mars or bust!
Some of it is nature, some nurture. In times long past, the men who were out hunting who had better throwing stances got to eat more, and starved to death less than men who "threw like a girl." So the male gender has had some natural selection going on, making it a wee bit better at throwing than the females.
The other bit is something to think about - how many dads play catch with their 3 year old daughters? Not many, right? (at least not as many as play catch with their young sons) Not having been primed for that activity (epigenetics) and getting little practice, many girls just never get any better at throwing as they get older.
And some of it would seem to be social as well - some throw that way because they think that's just how girls are supposed to throw - in a "cute" or "girly" way. And I'll admit, there's probably at least one person alive today who was only born because their mother threw like a girl and endeared herself to a man. So maybe that's a third factor.
We humans are a product of our physical being and learned behavior. Separating the learned behavior from the physical instinctive physical behavior is hard to distinguish. Of course, men and woman are built different, but then again, we have short and tall men, strong and weaker ones. Perhaps how a person tosses a ball could even be influence by their local culture and religion as well. There are so many influences and filters in trying to see the truth. I just focus on giving free opportunity for all in the things we choose to do in life!
The evolutionary answer could be even simpler.
The average man wants a mate who throws like a girl, therefore the trait gets passed on.
Throw like a man and men generally find you less attractive.
Looking like a girl is important, but so is behaving like one.
Unless you don't mind severely limiting your options.
"It's not just the largest gap in physical activities--although it's the largest gap in that field--it's possibly the most salient gap. Period."
Did they not do a standard deviation on "thows babies from the uterus like a girl"? I'm thinking that might be the largest gap in physical activities (and one where the females might actually be better at, for once).
throwing like a girl has nothing to do with strength. It has to do with form. its very simple. If you throw the ball with the leg on the same side as the throwing arm forward then you are throwing like a girl. if you throw with the leg opposite the throwing arm forward then you are throwing properly - boy or girl.
There is also the issue of mammary glands and their neccessary supporting structure that shifts shoulders in (less leverage against the shoulders and back by being narrower).
killerT,
Adam did not like his first wife. She wanted to do sex on top and she felt like an equal. So Adam went and complained to God about his first wife Lilith. Poor Lilith got sent on her way not for sin, but just being similar to Adam. Also in the process of making Lilith, Adam saw her being made and was disgusted. So, God giving in the Adams request and wanted to get the human species moving forward, made Eve from Adam's rib, while Adam was sleeping and hoping would encourage to be more compassionate with this new wife, since she was made of his flesh.
I am just amazed that Adam had the gumption to complain to God. Wouldn't Adam be surprise had God thought the solution to the problem was to make a new man and send Adam on his way.
The reason girls through balls differently that a boys, is because of the insecurity of Adam, not prefering Lilith as an equal. And now you know. At least, it is one story to go by. ;)
So how do people explain the boys that throw like a girl?
I have seen few of them.
This is about form and training.
Do you want to see a guy throw like a girl?
Simple if they are right handed tell them to throw with their left hand, you will get "girl" throw almost every time (same for leftys throwing right handed).
This is not something you are born with. Look at a young boy throwing a ball for the first time, lots of times its is "like a girl".
Lets face it, boys are taught at a very young age to throw with the proper form, and most girls never get that training. (Note if they are not "taught" per say they also are much more likely to model after other male figures in their life that do throw the "right" way).
I can tell you from personal experience that a right hand person throwing with their left hand looks like a "girl", but as you picture the right form and practice you can achieve the right form.
I have also taught a woman to throw with good form in as little as 15 minutes.
And I might add this has nothing to do with how far you can throw. You can have a person that throw very far, but still have good form. Now the other way can't be said. You can't throw very far with bad form.
@ Oakspar777,
Yep, there is that, but I do not let my breast get in the way of my ability to throw. I grew up with 4 brothers and in order to stay competitive and to be able to participate in fun activities it was either perform as well as they did or sit and do nothing. Screw that. I wanted to play. So I learned to throw a baseball and a football. ^_^
@AirshipGirl - So, you worked harder than them to stay on an equal footing - thus compensating for anatomy with effort.
I wasn't refering to breast being in the way, so much as I was refering to the narrower shoulders of women (which are designed to help mitigate back issues from larger breasts).
Of course, there are other differences that might come into play - different leg to body ratios, a lower center of gravity, etc. The shoulders just seems like the closest biological deviation.
I'm guessing the real difference happens when they all hit the showers together.
Oakspar77777 shows some good insight, most females have a gynecoid pelvis which is wider than a males android pelvis, this may limit hip rotation and "walk through" during these types of motions. This article will be much better after some real research is done.
When I taught my sister baseball at her request, the easiest way that I could come up with was the same way I learned. Self defense. She learned quickly to catch well, run fast, and throw hard. She became Regional MVP. Even today, I wouldn't want to be hit with something I don't see her throw. Someone wanna say my sis can't throw? Turn your back on her one time.
Once tried playing catch with fellow worker at K-Mart (Goofing off in Sports Section) and she tried to throw the ball to me and it flew sidewards out her hand (bounced off the shelf)
Laughing I said "Red,you throw like a girl"
Her response was "That's what I am"
and I was like "Oh,yeah"...lol
Throwing is a learned skill...and unless the girl purpoussly develops the throwing arm there is less mussle to weight ratio involved compared to a male of equal weight
Retired "grunt" scientist (don't guess,test it)