UFOs They're out there, say a handful of former Air Force officers.

The truth is out there, and yesterday a group of retired Air Force officers gathered the media and a handful of well-wishers at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C., in an attempt to reveal what they say is a government cover-up of decades of alien contact. The officers claimed, through their own individual accounts, that during the Cold War UFOs visited various USAF installations, but that’s just the precursor to a more remarkable assertion: the aliens were tampering with our nukes.

Gathered by well-known UFO researcher Rober Hastings, the officers all individually gave similar accounts – that sometime between 1963 and 1980 each was present at nuclear missile sites when unexplained flashing lights appeared in the sky at the same time the missiles went form alert status to non-responsive.

In one account, retired targeting officer Robert Jamison said all 10 missiles in his charge – known as a “flight” – went off alert status just as rumors of unidentified lights in the sky overhead swept through the base. Jamison didn’t see the UFO himself, but several others on the base witnessed the incident. The cause of his missiles going offline is unknown.

Of course, as Danger Room points out it would be tempting to blame an entire flight of nuclear warheads malfunctioning on unexplained phenomena rather than a far more explicable kind of occurrence known as human (or perhaps computer) error. But the fact that all of the officers – whose accounts took place at different times and installations – told similar stories with similar outcomes was a compelling enough narrative for the journalists on hand for the event.

Hastings and the officers don’t think their aliens are hostile in nature, but rather that they aimed to show humankind the error of its ways and how close it was to destroying itself during that period in history. And Hastings, for his part, thinks these kinds of incidents could be ongoing but the public just doesn’t know about them. Present along with the Air Force officers were a bevy of declassified documents depicting odd aerial phenomena recorded by the U.S. government over the years.

But what Hastings and the officers really want, they said, is the truth, like the details of Project Blue Book, an Air Force investigation running from 1947 to 1969 in which some 12,618 sighting were recored, 701 of which remain “unidentified.” According to Hastings and company, the government knows what’s going on and has been keeping it under wraps for decades.

"The American people have a right to know the facts," Hastings told reporters. "This is a national security issues but it is (also) a need-to-know issue, a right-to-know issue. Citizens in every country on Earth should be let in on this secret."

Paging Fox Mulder.


[Military Times, Danger Room]

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Did they consider that it could have been the Russians? Why jump straight to aliens?

Well, Russians have generally been at a comparable level of technological development as the rest of the world. So if a lightning fast object zipped through the sky, disabling all the top-secret nukes, it's safe to assume the Russians did not advance a couple of hundred years while no one was looking.

I agree however, that such an extraordinary claim requires a lot more evidence than a few vague testimonies. I will be keeping an eye on this story. Maybe we'll get an official response.

@ste3v3 exactly. Its far more likely to be some kind of Russian technology than space aliens.

I really don't care if 1000 people claim they seen aliens, etc. that's still a small percentage of people in this world and people make up some crazy stuff that isn't true. Once they provide some sort of real evidence that they exist then I'll be interested. I find it funny how for thousands of years people claim to have seen aliens, etc. etc. but yet we have not a single shred of real evidence indicating this or have ever had an alien actually try to speak to us. of course conspiracy theorists probably say we have and that it's all covered up.. sigh.

Assume that it is "true"...so what? Should we act, behave, conduct our lives any differently than how we are doing it today?

What would that "knowledge" do for us? Clearly, these "aliens" are not sharing any of their more advanced tech with us at this time...

http://www.rainydaymagazine.com
"We Entertain When It Rains"

If it had been the Russians, you wouldn't be reading this.

@RainyDayInters, You're right. What use are answers on our place in the universe and the nature of existence itself if you can't get a better HDTVs from it?!

Ridiculous.

Who said anything about aliens, they are UFO's, could they be human time travelers?

I'm not saying it WAS aliens, but if were invaded by aliens right now, no one would believe it was aliens, they'd all say it was something else, and if we found aliens heading towards earth, everyone would be skeptical, and quick to disclaim it.

Maybe it was a test of some secret missile jammer.

oooohhhhh John -- You actually make a great point!

I've never thought of that before. However, as we get closer and closer to understanding that time travel *is* plausible, aren't we also finding that it's only forward-traveling that will work ... Not backwards?

@Chad...I think there is a futurama episode of that.

Dammit, blue suiters... this is why we can't have nice things.

I think that the conclusion that I would come to is that the U.S. military had developed something capable to disabling equipment used to launch warheads and they were testing it over their own sites. The "officers" just didn't have enough security clearance to know what secret weapons we were developing. Its not unheard of to remotely disable electronics. And the unidentified aircraft need not be any more than helicopters equiped with new technology. They would not say "All you pee-ons should know that the unusually low flying aircraft over the base is testing top secret weapons that we don't want the russians to know that we have so don't tell anyone." Trust the physicists when they tell you that aliens aren't visiting earth just to look around and fly light years back home.

If we really want the aliens to reveal themselves we should just start a lawsuit stating that any future or past interfearence would be subject to punitive damages. If their legal system is anything as beurocratic as ours they would have a legal obligation to disclosure or we would sue the pants off them (that is if they actually wear pants).

1. If aliens were real the government would not tell us. It would/could/should cause a nation wide panic. (Goes against a majority of world religions thus in explainable).

2. If aliens were real they wouldn't want to make their presence know for a multitude of reasons. (Studying human life, Studying other life).

3. If aliens were real and NOT hostile they wouldn't want to cause a world wide panic and most likely located government headquarters for a proper discrete meeting.

4. If aliens were real and were hostile they would have made a point that they are here for what they want.

5. If aliens were real and wanted to stop our race from destroying ourselves it's possible that they could have disabled our nukes, but it's even more unlikely that they had done it by means of a fly by than the probability that they even exist in the first place. (Our technology was far to privative).

6. If aliens were real we probably won't find out for a few decades when more of the world's population is actively involved in in-planetary travel and not living in dirt.

Lots of possibilities, but only time will tell... Keep the comments coming. Very interesting perspectives.

I watched a program on the history channel a while back that may offer a little perspective. It said that there was an epic written a long time ago (sorry but I can't remember the name of it) that detailed a battle between 2 alien races. One that was trying to enslave us and one that was trying to defend us. At the end, the good won and we were somehow informed that they will be staying just outside of our dimension and watching over us to keep us safe (I can't remember the full details explained on the show.)

If this is somehow true, could it be at all possible that they would be tampering with our nukes to keep us safe? They may be high tech, but that doesn't mean they could do everything. They may not know of a way to disable our nukes without actually getting their hands on them. It could be fully possible that we may have developed some technology that may not have thought of or developed.

Not Russian, US. If you want a secret way to sweep in and disable nukes in their silos, you would test it first on our own.

Also, if you wanted to test, say a radar detection avoidance (stealth), then why not test it on your own radar system unaware (and disable the nukes remotely to prevent a launch if/when you are discovered).

Some guy at CNN was blabbing about them being demons and not aliens. Personally, I'd perfer aliens.

@zengrath You are aware that you are on a science news site right? Every day people post stories on hear with no hard evidence whatsoever and, presumably, you accept most of it as true. Either that or you really want to kill time. The fact is we can't all travel to distant rain forests or to the bottom of oceans, at some point we have to accept other people's testimonies as fact. Also in the justice system of pretty much every country on earth, people can be convicted of murder based on little more than eye witness testimony. Why then should the mountain of eye witness statements, photographs, videos, and other evidence be completely dismissed exclusively in the case of aliens? I'm not saying aliens have visited the earth but dismissing it is as unscientific as accepting it.

@dahiteman Are you saying that if WE found life on a distant world, WE wouldn't construct probes to go study it? And are you saying that if that life we found, perhaps the only other life we know of in the universe, were about to be destroyed by an easily preventable disaster, We wouldn't interfere? The fact is if humans would do it, there is absolutely no reason to assume aliens wouldn't; and the fact is the descriptions of what aliens supposedly do are exactly what humans would do.

oaksparr your so wrong the U.S. would never disable their own nukes on puporse because then the Russians could launch an attack and easily take them out duhhhhh and they would never try to disable Russias because the air craft needed to carry that out would no doubt get shot down and thus would start a world war clearly you don't think before you post because all your other post are negative cynical and complete devoid of reasoning and common knowledge and actual doesn't contribute to the discussion positivley.
Personally considering the goverments of this world are controlled by evil elites using advanced technologies to supress all popular movements that seek to better humanitie I have no doubt the aliens would rather use them as proxy controls as to permenantly stunt the advance of the human race as to prevent legitimite competion and threat to their dominace over other species.

ICBMs don't make very useful SAMs. If the so-called aliens forced the flight to go offline, it certainly wasn't because of a fear of being shot down by a strategic nuke. If they had enough technology to detect the missiles in order to bring them offline, they would certainly have the technology to know that those weapons posed no direct threat.

More credible is that rare ball lightning created a severe electromagnetic interference which caused the system to fail-safe into offline status.

Sure, I just made that up. The difference is that I admit I made that up.

I WANT HOVER CARS!!!!!!

@Zengrath
Maybe aliens are more interested in just checking us out? Maybe it's future humans sending back probes to test out harmless technology on us or get a glimpse of the past? It's hard stuff to believe, but I also think it'd be totally awesome if any of the different stories/theories out there turned out to be true.

Everyone should really stop equating UFOs with aliens. UFO = unidentified flying object, and that's all they are UNIDENTIFIED.

What I find scary is the possibility nut-jobs are in missile bunkers with the keys to Armageddon in their hands.From what I understand,the Air Force tests candidates interested in manning missile silos for mental stability,right?
If these soldiers are mentally stable,doesn't that lend extra credibility to what they are saying?

I want to believe, but if the government really knew something, would they be fighting in the middle east slowing down nasa and worrying about so much other worthless stuff?

Oh give it a break there are no aliens. Not within our timeline and within our own galaxy period (other galaxies forget about it).

That's why we'll never find 'ET' because whatever timeline another intelligent life exists on -- it won't likely be coincident with our own.

Remember--we have only been able to survey space scientifically (the knowledge to do so) for about 100 years out of the past 4,500,000,000 years Earth has been around. Thus we have only been smart enough to survey space a paltry .0000000002 percent of the timeline and it's even less of the timeline since the big bang (roughly 3 times less).

Thus the chances of our timeline overlapping another intelligent race in the nearby vicinity such that we both were in our 'intelligent period and listening' (say a couple million light years or within our own galaxy) is basically NIL so there is almost no chance that we Earthlings will ever survey space and hear ET and fat chance of us ever meeting ET. Isn't going to happen.

Sorry, that's the math and it don't lie.

How can we think that a race of people with enough technology to cross interstellar space would be concerned we have nukes, to them this would be primitive technology. If and when they decide to contact us there won't be any doubt what has happened.

Cant be the Russians, unless of course there from the future, which in that case it could be anyone, and it couldn't be animals, unless of course some mad man decided to hyper evolve some (sounds like a good idea, BTW) so I've come to the conclusion that this is a bunch of BS, or aliens want to do something with something, or jeezus got tired of us hoomans and our themonuclear war...

I myself have seen a UFO first-hand on a flight out of Phoenix, AZ in the middle of the day and I do believe that there is intelligent life out there and that they are watching us. For what reason are they watching/interacting? Who knows... I wouldn't say they want to harm us though, as everyone would already be killed, imprisoned, made into slaves, or whatever.

@ phiniusmaster
Are they human time travelers? No. Traveling back in time is impossible. Even Stephen Hawking has said it's impossible. If you make a passage (wormhole, subspace rupture, whatever the hell you want to call it) into the past, it's somewhat like holding a guitar up to it's own amp - the reverb gets so intense at some point that the amp breaks. With the energy from the present leaking into the past, it creates more "reverb" to the point where it will destroy everything.

@ Geawiel
Yeah, that was called "Transformers" directed by Michael Bay. LOL.

@ gizmowiz
What the hell kind of equation are you using to come up with that ludicrous answer? Pretty sure the actual math and probabilities work in the exact opposite manner. The universe is a very, VERY big place.

@ Varsity
I couldn't agree more.

And let's all keep in mind that the GERMANS were toying around with anti-gravity technology during WWII. I watched a show about it on the History Channel or the Discovery Channel and they mentioned that if the Germans had some very basic anti-gravity technology, the U.S. had captured and stolen it at the end of the war. But who is to say that the Russians didn't stumble upon anything around the same time of similar nature? Hell, the SR-71 Blackbird was developed shortly after the war too and wasn't declassified some 20-30 years later! Who knows what technology existed at that time.

As far as perspectives go, I encourage you all to read, if you haven't yet, "Let's Help Germinate This Seed." Google it.

Nah. Demons would make the missiles launch, not take them off line.

I think it was Jesus just checking to see if things were ready for him to do his come-back tour.

People who say its impossible for aliens to exist in our timeline are very stupid an ignorant, when your traveling thru space, your also traveling thru time.

@studentnursejon Yeah that point can't be made enough times. UFO does not equal aliens!

Now to say that there is absolutely nothing in the sky that we can not identify is either ignorant or arrogant. It's OK that we can't identify everything that flies in the sky or swims in the ocean for that matter. To say that there things we can't identify is simply an admission of our limited understanding of the world around us.

With theories which show the possibility of a myriad of different dimensions and even alternate universes with possible alternate Earths I don't think it's strange to say, "Yeah, there's things flyin' around up there that we've never seen before."

Now are there aliens flying around, it's not impossible simply because we haven't found them landing at our airports or holding press conferences to announces their presence. However, I think that we need to consider that the aliens we are seeing aren't necessarily "little green men" piloting a futuristic spaceship. Perhaps the things that are sighted as ships or vehicles are actual lifeforms themselves rather than a vehicles that's piloted by lifeforms.

The bottom line is that governments around the world are exploiting the hysteria surrounding the possibility of aliens to hide whatever program their working on. Perhaps there's a global program with several nations working together like the ISS. By the way, the Russians didn't shut the nukes down because they wouldn't have just stopped with a few. If I could paralyze a nations nuclear defense system I would do it once in a while in a few places. For the same reason that's why it's not the US either.

Instantly makes me think of the original Transformers movie.

Judy Witwicky: You know, I think that if there really was some kind of... alien infestation... the Government would be the first to tell us.

Ron Witwicky: Yeah... I mean, this is America.

Judy Witwicky: Yeah, that's how we know we're in a free country. There's no secrets. They'd say "Hey! Duck and cover!"

I’ve been interested in UFO’s for 40 years and have developed two theory’s about the subject. I used to work at NSA and no, I never saw anything concerning UFO’s and I looked. I had a top secret clearance so I know about security procedures going in and out of high level facilities. It used to be easy up to a few years ago to hide stuff in your clothing and just walk out if you wanted to take the chance of going to jail forever. Someone could also be out at a crash site and hide something to be retrieved later. Now there’s scanners and it’s probably much more difficult to sneak something out of a high security building. The point is it’s impossible to keep someone who’s really motivated from going to the media with the secret and believe me if aliens were actually here and working closely with the government or at least being studied, someone would be motivated to go public out of moral grounds (this needs to be shared with all humanity) if nothing else. You can have all the illegal black ops hit squads you want threatening the researchers themselves and/or their families and there will still be a few who have no family left, are dying of cancer or whatever, have hidden away some real, verifiable physical evidence and want to go public with it. Think of the Pentagon Papers or Wikileaks. Over 50 years of this with who knows how many people involved and this is guaranteed to happen IMO. That’s the theory for there being no aliens, it’s all bs.
Now, assuming there really are aliens but nobody has come forward after all these years, it stands to reason virtually everyone is highly motivated and not by threats, to keep the secret. What could that be? The only thing that makes sense is some kind of real and terrible threat to our very existence. Who knows what that could be but I think if they are here and nobody’s talking, that’s the logical answer.
There’s my two theories, it’s all bs or we’re all under threat of extinction.

Bob

Jazzmammal-
That terrible something is Apophis, the false god, not the asteroid.

@ Jazzmammal
People did come forward and testify to the existence of aliens here on Earth. Many of them did, and they were all credible people, i.e. a woman who worked for NASA for many years, saying that another employee in a hidden room was airbrushing out structures in a picture taken of the dark side of the moon. Another man had "above top-secret" clearance and stated that there was reverse engineered technology from alien life that the Air Force was using. Another man worked at another air base near Area 51 and was part of an emergency crew that once responded to a downed aircraft that had crashed at the beginning of one of the runways, and stated that he saw small bodies of non-humans around the crash site. Crazy stuff from sane people. This article is referring to one of the men who testified at a news conference with these other individuals. I'll try to find the link...

@ Bushmaster
Regardless of how much information ther is on the subject, and regardless of how credible those people are we still need to take into account hysteria, delusions, and false testimonies (human error). I would not doubt if there was an area in the government that is responsible for exterterestial encounters, but we will not ever know (in our life time) if there ever was one. 
Never let imagination break the rules of logic. While it is very likely there is other life in space, and I would be very shocked if there wasn't. It is less likely that they would have found us (this is assuming intelligent life is abundant throughout our galaxy).

As far as their being intelligent life capable of traveling through the deepest parts of space which we have yet to explore. It's impossible to say what they would do if they did come to earth. 

From reading through all the comments there as so many different perspectives from just a small sample of our population. Not everyone thinks the same. 

My point here is that trying to find the answer to this question is going to take time (which is relative) but also thought is relative. So there is not going to be one (correct) answer but many. 

Trust logic first before imagination. Then go from there.

Keep the comments rolling...

-Varsity

Sorry, but anyone who thinks this was "the Russians" is an idiot.

I do not know what it is, but it is a safe bet that it was not the Russians. If they had that capability there would still be a Soviet Union. There would have been no reason to bankrupt their economy on military spending and trying to counter "Star Wars", they would have won.

Russians aren't smart enough to pull this off. -,,,,,,,-

They're too busy punching their soldiers in the stomach.

Дураки! Он был с нами. Американские империалисты бредовой, если они думают, что их технология лучше, чем Великой Матери России. Как только ваш коррумпированных политиков закончить уничтожить вашу экономику мы будем там, чтобы завод наш флаг на почву.

Bushmaster, it's called evidence, evidence, evidence. I've probably seen all those people too on various tv shows or read their accounts. It's still simply eyewitness or second hand like you said " a woman who worked for NASA for many years, saying that another employee in a hidden room was airbrushing out structures in a picture taken of the dark side of the moon." There's tons of testimony like that but how about some high res pictures taken in a lab that you know must be around if this is true or high def video from a chase plane testing a reverse engineered whatever or how about a piece of some unknown alloy or frozen tissue sample, anything like that. It's got to be something real man, real. Until that is given to the media, it's all just crap. And I'm saying this from the point of view of someone who's absolutely certain the universe if filled with life and some of it has to be much more advanced than we are but wheretheheck are they?

Bob

I agree with Johnsolo...who was one of the first comments, about it being humans. When I first read this, I actually thought the same thing. I thought it was a little crazy to think, but then again, it's just as imaginative as believing in aliens (not saying it's not possible, just that it's a broad concept).

It seems likely it would be human time travelers. They would want to make a point, but not be discovered. The travelers would only want to give attention to nuclear weaponry, and not cause a scene that could potentially alter the future, unless they want to alter the future for reasons of survival: Getting rid of nukes.

It also makes sense about how they appear, hover, and then suddenly disappear. While in time, they remain constant with time, so the object hovers in plain view. However, when traveling through time, they need to move faster than the speed of light... so that's why it disappears so suddenly.

Makes sense to me. Anyone else?

Everyone knows to travel though time you need to slingshot around the sun, or own a Delorean. Which gives me an image of 1970s British soldiers gawking at a Delorean hovering over a missile silo. BTTF4?? :D

Translation of the Ruskie comment:

Fools! It was with us. The American imperialists of delirious, if they think that their technology is better than the great mother of Russia. As soon as your of the corrupted politicians to finish to destroy your economy we will there so that the plant is our flag to the soil.

This sounds exactly like the Rendlesham Forest incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident
Lots of people saw lights. Nuclear arms were deactivated.
Just like this, and at about the same time. I got the impression the bombs were left intact except with the nuclear material half-life almost spent - nearly like lead. Sure... Russians could do that.

I think the bigger picture is missed... regardless if it were aliens or russians, the point was to disconnect the bomb. They new the potential of the ole nuke power and didnt want it happening. Uncovering the truth may bring people closer together, look beyond our borders and now realize we're all together on the this paradise planet. No airy fairy fecal matter, just simple fact.

Very well could be intelligent aliens. Nuclear weapons would be the biggest threat to any outside intelligence, so it makes sense that they would want to understand and control that threat. Scenarios are endless about what they could possibly want, but it seems least likely that they would care to destroy us. If so this could have been accomplished long ago with relative ease. More likely that they seek to gain something from us. My guess is that the two most useful things a planetary civilization has to offer an alien species is 1. technology that is unfamiliar to the species and 2. the power of infrastructure. It literally would take a planet-sized resource base to produce something as complex as a spacecraft. Just think of all the resources necessary to produce something as crude as our space shuttle. Chemical plants to produce fuel and propellants, factories to produce alloys and materials, even things as simple as wiring and consumables.

Seems like they are either lurking until we have the necessary infrastructure available to help them so that they can either trade with us or they are waiting to control the flow of those resources maliciously to their own benefit.

The aliens have been concerned about nuclear weapons and their ability to destroy the planet for a long time now. They have been sending messages to the US military warning about this. Periodically they disable US nuclear missiles as part of this warning. The US military/intelligence community does not want the truth about advanced aliens visiting from outer space to be revealed, since that would undermine US military and economic dominance of the world. This elaborate coverup has been going on for almost 60 years. See www.ufocoverup.org for more info

Seriously, what are the chances that there's a huge UFO flying down onto Earth with barely anyone noticing? And on a military base! AND it also decided to go into the nuclear weapons storage place, "tampered" with it, and left right there and then. Sounds like a fishy excuse.

This is totally consistent with what many very serious, credible people in the military and the government have been saying for a long time. It's the biggest coverup of all time. JFK and Secretary of Defense James Forrestal were both killed because they were close to going public with the truth. This is not some wild conspiracy theory or speculation.

“his sounds exactly like the Rendlesham Forest incident
Lots of people saw lights. Nuclear arms were deactivated.
Just like this, and at about the same time. I got the impression the bombs were left intact except with the nuclear material half-life almost spent - nearly like lead.”

“think the bigger picture is missed... regardless if it were aliens or russians, the point was to disconnect the bomb.”

“Very well could be intelligent aliens. Nuclear weapons would be the biggest threat to any outside intelligence, so it makes sense that they would want to understand and control that threat.”

“The aliens have been concerned about nuclear weapons and their ability to destroy the planet for a long time now. They have been sending messages to the US military warning about this. Periodically they disable US nuclear missiles as part of this warning.”

“This is totally consistent with what many very serious, credible people in the military and the government have been saying for a long time. It's the biggest coverup of all time. JFK and Secretary of Defense James Forrestal were both killed because they were close to going public with the truth. This is not some wild conspiracy theory or speculation.”

What is this?? Nuclear weapons deactivated, or the half-life slashed to almost nothing? Where did you guys get this from? One person makes that statement as if it is fact and the rest of you simply accept it and start commenting on it as if it is real? Please. Either post some links to substantiate this or as least modify your statement abouts bombs being deactivated with the phrase "I think" or "it seems to me" or something to indicate its simply your opinion, not flat out say it like you actually read it somewhere credible.
Nuclear weapons the biggest threat to the planet or somehow a threat to space aliens? Are you guys nuts or what? One volcanic eruption puts out more force than all the weapons in the world and you think that our puny weapons compare to an asteroid impact, a supernova or a gamma ray burst? Talk about radiation, check those out. A 100 megaton hydrogen bomb is nothing compared to that. Those could threaten space aliens not our tiny weapons.
And then this last one about JFK and Forrestal?? Again, where did this come from? Good grief, I hardly know where to begin with you guys.

Bob

Obama Tampered With Those Nukes.

Imagine primitive tribes living in a remote area that have had no contact with modern man. They look into the sky and see an airplane. One tribe theorizes it is a god and another tribe theorizes it is a dragon. Both were wrong but did the best they could with their knowledge to explain what they observed. Modern man is like the primitive tribes looking into the sky, observing something that cannot be readily explained with current knowledge, and then trying to make sense of it all.

Mmmm. Much more likely is that the USAF command was conducting its own test on the psychological preparedness of its men....IF we can give any credence to these stories. The headline is sure oozing with assumpitons: "...UFOs VISITED (implying intelligence and intent) Bases, TAMPERED (the informal logical fallacy of post hoc ergo propter hoc - after something therefore because of something)With Nukes".

The defining characteristic of these mysterious 'alien visitors' is that they are really, really, tidy. They never drop any garbage or leave any debris, despite their (apparently) thousands of visits to Earth. How very remarkable. Is there any other explanation for the fact they have managed not to leave behind even one, single, un-reproducable widget? No Alpha Centaurean condom, no Horsehead Nebula gum wrapper? Nothing, nada, zilch, nil.

The credulity in this thread is thicker than the toxic sludge currently gurgling through Hungary's villages.

Jazzmammal/Bob,

For starters, download this video:

http://www.archive.org/details/UFOs_The_Secret_Government

Also, check out what Wikipedia has to say about James Forrestal.

There is a lot more information that is consistent and credible. I have some first-hand contacts as well, not just conspiracy theory conjecture.

A lot of it has just started to come out on the History Channel in 2010.

First, understand I'm very sympathetic to the concept of alien visitation. I'm a big SF fan going back to Heinlein and Asimov and I have the DVD sets for Star Trek, Babylon 5, Stargate SG1, etc, etc. The universe is too vast to believe advanced alien life does NOT exist.
All of that has squat to do with what we're discussing here.
Go back to my two theories stated above. It's easy for someone to walk out of a high security building with solid evidence if they want to bad enough. Look at John Walker, Aldrich Aimes and many others. No problem if someone's motivated. How about some killer, clear, full color high res pic's of a researcher sitting at the control consol of a spaceship? Just slip them into an envelope, into your clothing and out the door. I used to think about that at my desk at NSA. Virtually everything I workied on that was Top Secret has been given away by one traitor or another. After 50+ years, where's that hard, unquestionable evidence? Where?
If all the thousands of people who must have worked on a project like that are voluntarily keeping quiet then we're in big trouble.
Wikipedia, the History Channel is simply more talk. No need to follow those links, if hard evidence is presented to Fox News this afternoon, it would be all over the place in a nanosecond, it would be the biggest thing since the moon landing or JFK's assasination.
I'm done with talk. Show me the money.

Bob

OK, this has always bugged me. Some form of intelligent life is able to develop the technology to travel through space and/or time, disable nuclear weapons, become invisible to radar, hover silently, etc. - and they stick bright lights on the outside of their vehicles?!? For what possible reason? The only reason we have lights on planes is so others can see them. So we are talking about some super-intelligent and advanced lifeform, that is like.."doh, the lights...we've been forgetting to turn off the lights!" I'm just sayin'

Still SKeptical...

I live in an American christian culture that values too much personal subjective experiences,

...I live in a culture that places little value in Objective Reality and instead desperately looks for personal validations of their own subjective experiences..

I am surrounded by American Christians whose religious experiences morph into weird fantastical stories of supernatural miraculous events.

As the years go by, these stories are unrecognizable from the original experiences.

I have witnessed this over and over again.

Stick a group of these people together and they feed off each other.

I would be more inclined to place value in these reports if they were interviewed as to their religion.

I would bet a million dollars all these witnesses are elderly conservative Christians

"Gathered by well-known UFO researcher Rober Hastings, the officers all individually gave similar accounts"....
I find that self-proclaimed UFO Researchers, Ghost Hunters, etc., seem to approach their "research" with the assumption they are right, and the goal is to prove it. Not really objective science. The fact that this guy found and gathered these men means they must have made some public statements on the topic before, and likely heard of and maybe spoke to each other about their experiences before (wouldn't you?). So we can then discount the significance of "individually", and leave open the possibility that their recollection of events was influenced, unintentionally, by the stories of the others. Basically a form of mass hysteria. No, not like "she's hysterical - slap her". Mass hysteria is a very real and very interesting psychological phenomenon if you look into it.
In case you haven't guessed...I'm a bit skeptical. Jazzmamal makes some good points as well.

Good points here. I've always thought the lights are an unavoidable side effect of an antigrav propulsion system. The lack of physical evidence could be explained by there not being any crashed craft and no alien bodies therefore, no big research project. Our recon drones don't leave any trash behind, why should theirs?
I am intrigued by some of the apparently very credible witnesses like military/civilian pilots, some weird radar tracking, stuff like that. Col Halt's tape is very believable. It doesn't explain what he saw but he sure saw something. Maybe this planet is considered a combination zoo exhibit and research project for the ailiens. They fly around observing us for either study or even tourism. Maybe they have strict rules about no landing, no contact (the Prime Directive) but just like our society a few violate those rules. With no physical evidence, what do we have? Conjecture.

Bob

@ redgreen34 before attaking others coments think about ur own "if we disabled our nukes the russians would atack quickly" well there is no sound way for u to come to that conclusion the russians would mostlikly not find out until weeks after at the soonest so there would be no chance for them to attack the nukes would already be reactivated by then its users like ur self who atack other users coments acusing them of not thinking when ur rebuttle its self is without thought or sound theories it is quite posible it was the us testing a new wepons deversions system and its still also posible even slim as it might be that it was other worldly life but it was definatly not the russians forgot who said it was i know redgreen34 didnt say that but still what u did say lack sound reasoning if u r going to rebute another persons coment and say they didnt think put alittle more thought into ur comment first

-Georgeie_boy-

also redgreen34 the us alone has wat thousands of nukes if not tens of thousands spread across this country it would be perfectly likley for them to try out turning off a few flights of nukes without lowering our defenses in the slightes yet anouther reason ur rebuttle is an uneducated point as saying aliens cant exist. and i think for all u nay sayers of aliens that it is concited for us to think we r the only life in this universe
-Georgeie_boy-

I would agree that there is extra tererstrial life on some other planet that is light years away that is far more advanced then us, but I dought that they give a living shit about us and rather would use us for experamints or study how we evolve and grow,but hey I might be rong. I also agree that it might be the goverment just experamenting with top secret technology on our own soil.



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