Fragmented human genomes could be shipped toward the stars and reconstructed upon their arrival, spawning the first interstellar citizens and avoiding the problems of long-distance space survival.
That’s just one idea — proposed by genome pioneer J. Craig Venter — emerging from the field of dreams seeded by DARPA’s 100-Year Starship project. DARPA is collecting proposals for a conference on the starship project this fall. You can submit ideas through July 8; find out more here.
We have no idea what interstellar travel might look like in 100 years, of course — just as Jules Verne could never have conceived of the technology required to really send humans to the moon when he wrote about it in 1865. But if we start now, we can make it happen, according to David Neyland, who directs DARPA’s Tactical Technology Office.
“One hundred years is a pretty good period of time in terms of inspiring research to go off and tackle really hard problems that you don’t even know which questions to ask at the beginning,” he said in a conference call Thursday.
Neyland approached Pete Worden, director of NASA’s Ames Research Center, last fall and the two talked about how to spur a starship project. The goal is not necessarily to build a spaceship, Neyland explained, but rather to spur the monumental technology advances that would be required for such a feat. So the 100-Year Starship is more like a thought experiment than a construction project.“One hundred years from now, there will be capabilities coming out of this that benefit us in the Department of Defense and the civilian sector, but also give us the capabilities of building the starship if we chose to do so,” Neyland said.
So now DARPA is soliciting ideas for the types of questions that would need to be addressed for this to happen, from the practical to the fantastical. Along with the physics behind concepts like time dilation, DARPA wants people from all walks of life to raise questions — from the moral and ethical implications of leaving forever, to the energy, agricultural and medical requirements involved, to political and legal considerations.
DARPA held a workshop in January and invited a host of science fiction authors, physicists, biologists and other thinkers, who all posed questions about a hypothetical journey to the stars. That’s where Venter’s genome proposal came up, Neyland said.
DARPA took that group’s questions and solicited a request for information, which we told you about back in May. Those proposals were due June 3, and now DARPA is synthesizing them into a formal request for proposals, which will be unveiled at a conference Sept. 30-Oct. 2 in Orlando. After that, DARPA will award a contract, worth around $500,000 depending on several factors, for some kind of entity that will take over the next 100 years of planning. The winner doesn’t have to be from the U.S., and DARPA is noncommittal on whether it would be a non-profit or for-profit venture.
“The crux, to us, is inspiration of research — not just in solving the physics-based problems. It’s across all of the domains,” Neyland said.
Since the project first emerged last fall, when Worden described it at a speech at Singularity University, Worden and Neyland have received several calls from people who want to lend money to the effort. Neyland wouldn’t say who, but he said he’s told these would-be interstellar investors they should consider writing a proposal.
Neyland said he could only imagine the benefits that could come from planning an interstellar ship. NASA probably didn’t envision a market for cordless power tools when it first built them for the moon missions, for instance.
“Those unpredictable and ancillary things go back into the Department of Defense as well as the commercial sector and the public sector, and benefits all of us,” he said.
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Don't know about you, but I don't want to live on a planet with eight times the gravity of earth...
-Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1995-
The genes just need to be stored as information in the spaceship and reconstructed at the destination.
But any serious attempt at colonising other planets wouldn't just take human genes, but whole ecosystems.
Just taking the genes as information means that no life support is needed. The spaceship need only mass a few tonnes.
And we could sent thousands of these small spaceships out there to different stars.
It's another dopey idea from DARPA when we already have the means to teleport people from one location to another.
@JohnStClair
yeah its more practical and faster. we should be spending more money on teleportation reserch. im pretty sure that the government already has a machine that can take you from mars to earth is less than a second. David Wilcock talks about it in one of his sessions.
@JediMindset: No. We do NOT have teleportation. I mean, we have it for photons and subatomic particles, but there's no way to teleport much larger things than that, especially if you want to keep the structure intact (which you would, lest you end up teleported as a plasma).
And you do realize David Wilcock believes that a large percentage of humanity will magically ascend into spiritual beings in 2012, right? Not the kind of guy you should be trusting when it comes to real-world information.
-IMP ;) :)
Why would you want to spread such filth across the Universe? Maybe it's a good thing that we've been contained to the Earth; after all, it is our struggle with natural limitations that make us beautiful. These dreams of traveling the stars are your own, not these test tube humans you intend to create. Even then, they may not appreciate something that you never got the chance to experience. Why bother wasting our time, and our money, on something that may ultimately prove fruitless? They would need to start their technology over from scratch, just as we have. This does nothing to forward develop the human race.
You want to get to a resource-rich planet in 100 years or less? In America, it's easy. Have companies fight over it. It's simple:
Offer the first company or group of companies who reach the planet and have the technology to terraform/settle it with human beings and to transport the resources back a complete monopoly on the planet's resources and resource transportation for an additional hundred years or so, plus big tax breaks and cash subsidies.
I guarantee we'll be there in 75 years.
I will just re-iterate what I already posted, on an earlier version of this article ...
Yes ... We need DNA factory ships which can replicate themselves. Robot ships that build robot ships and can transfer the stored sum of all human knowledge and technology (within prudent limits).
No ... By then, we will not need to send or store any sort of living tissue ... Just the coded rDNA information.
The DNA factory "Nanny Ships" will search for resources to replicate THEMSELVES, as a FIRST priority ... Any time (place) that resources can be found to allow construction of new (and more) ships, THAT mission priority shall be executed. ... ALL accumulated data and AI (including networked sharing of new discoveries and mapping data) would be downloaded to new ships and shared with any existing ships that are within range of QEC (Quantum Entangled Communications).
Whenever a "Goldie-Locks" planet (or moon or large, icy body) is discovered ... THEN ... A viable foundation for an integrated (food chain) eco-system will be seeded, using 3D rDNA printing hardware and electro-stimulated animation (microbes, algae, plankton, ferns and grasses, worms, etc.).
These ships can make "relay circuits" leaving observation probes and (self-replicating) recording/monitoring instrumentation behind ... The Mother/Nanny Ships would return every several thousand years, to revisit, analyze and tweak the eco-systems until sentient hominids can be sustainably supported.
So ... To do it correctly, we would need robust redundancy (at least three major ships and anywhere from twelve to 144, for good measure ...
... With twelve ships, to start, there could be over 144 ships, fanning out into a galactic Nanny-Circuit, within (only) 600 to 2000 years.
The self-replicating, self-learning AI will carry our hopes, our dreams, and our essence and priorities, with it, along with failsafes and prudent limit5s (i.e. The Laws of Robotics and Human Ethics ... Do no harm.)
We only need to code that "spark", of Love, creativity, emotion, innoovation, etc. Should be "A Snap" (Ha!).
Personally?, I believe that these methods are exactly how human-kind was seeded, right here ... on Earth ... And, it just might be the case that WE do not even need to do ANYthing to perpetuate this process, as it might already be going on, on a galactic scale ! We could be just one tiny puddle, in a fully engaged Galactic Epic ... No?
@IceMetalPunk
yes but im sure we have found alien technology that crashed landed on earth and reversed engineered it(Roswell). lol yeah i first thought he was a nut but he is fairly intelligent and wouldn't need to lie. he predicts that in 2012 we will become super beings with powers of our choosing(xmen)next stage of human evolution. and i sort of believe him.
@JediMindset
Dude, do you believe in EVERY nut-job conspiracy theory? I've seen your comments several times, and every time you seem to quote a different theory (aliens, government mind control, the great and powerful Xenu). What kind of proof do you, or that Wilcock guy have that, out of the blue, in 2012 (because, let's face it, it's a great year for random and outrageously fantastic crap to happen), undeserved and unrequested (by most sane people, anyway), X-men like super powers will fall into our lap? And powers of our own choosing, of all things!
Really, I'm not sure if you're serious, or just trolling. Life is dark, interesting and exciting enough, even without invented conspiracies of aliens and mind control.
@JediMindset
Also, 'he wouldn't need to lie'. This is a very suspect phrase. People are ***holes, and they would do anything for attention. Including *gasp* lie! Dum Dum Duuum!
I always wondered if a small moon could become a space ship. instead of constructing a ship large enough to carry people a moon could hold an ecosystem for life. The amount of power needed to move a moon out of the gravitation pull of the host planet would be amazing.
@Khaelmin -- I bet you watch South Park! hehehe. Seriously, you're right about JediMindset.
My general statement as it applies to this article: I have faith that we humans on this Earth are the end product of this type of galactic colonization.
Rather than sending fragmented human genomes, wouldn't it be simpler to send frozen human embryos that are nurtured with robotic systems. It might be a good idea to also include the embryos and seeds from a wide range of other organisms too, because it would be pretty dreary with only humans around. Of course, we wouldn't want to contaminate any planet that already has an ecosystem in place, even if it is relatively primitive by our standards. If it has a breathable atmosphere, then it will probably already be inhabited by animals as well as by plants and bacteria. Morally, we should look elsewhere. If we start with a "dead" planet like Mars, may be in a few thousand years with planetary engineering it could be made habitable. In retrospect, perhaps we should just take better care of the planet that we are blessed to be born on and not subject our future descendants to exile in the galaxy just so that we can preserve human gene sequences.
@IceMetalPunk - Actually we do have teleportation of large objects. Here is how it works.
Einstein derived the power of a gravitational wave as inversely proportional to the speed of light to the 5th power. This is a factor of 10^-43 which is undetectable.
However, the speed of light in a hyperspace co-dimension is only 1 meter/second. Taking this to the 5th power is still just 1. So the power is increased by 10^42.
By opening a wormhole into hyperspace using negative energy, the wormhole-propagating gravitational wave enfolds the object or person in space-time and you are teleported to another location. The wave has to be pulsed otherwise you end up some place in the ocean or in outerspace. In my case I was teleported 100 meters.
According to Andrew Basiago, DARPA already has this teleportation system so it is a mystery why they would want this dopey DNA system.
Everyone is watching too much Titan A.E. It would be more feasible to develop propulsion systems that can "bend" space time or generate worm holes. Or faster than light travel. What's the point in building this 100 year space ship, and send it out and hope for the best? What if it runs into problems? Meteorites? Radiation? System failures? It will be on its own. And once the humans are generated...will they look to the miky way and earth and think we are the Gods that created them, their colony would degenerate. All the while we'll be back on earth not knowing what the heck happened.
How come when someone has a different opinion than the group they are automatically a troll? This kind of mindset would stagnate society. JedimindSet just states his opinion..and some people agree with him…if you don’t, you don’t have to respond.
@Khaelmin
he is edgar cayce reincarnated. i never mentioned the great and powerful xenu. don't put words in my mouth. you are just like the rest of the blinded sheep. aliens and mind control exist. it doesn't matter if you believe it or not.
@Aldrons Last Hope
thanks. yeah some people just like covering the truth.
please, you are both trolls...this is just about pushing technology forward, cool they are possibly getting private financing
@Aldron
This 100 year spaceship is way more feasible than those sci-fi propulsion methods you've iterated, for the simple reason that with this, scientists already have the starter technologies. With a little more research and a lot more work, they could actually build the ship, or one similar to it. To develop the FTL or space-bendey-wormholey drives, no one even knows where to start. Plus, the energy requirements for one flight could possibly be bigger than what the whole Earth produces in decades.
Also, I didn't brand him as a troll from the start, I just wasn't sure if he actually believes what he says or not.
@Jedi
Clearly, the part about Xenu was a joke. Also, it's not kind to call me a sheep just because I don't believe in something just for the sake of believing. Where's the proof, buddy?
OK, I'm gonna stop picking on Jedi/trolling now.
yah, he's nuts
@drchuck1
thats what they said about Nostradamus, Einstein, Galileo etc.
dont forget that theirs a thin line between science and religion. scientist encourage thinking the impossible to one day make it plausible ie. lasers, atom bomb, etc. dont hate the player hate the game.
The Problem for any solution is cost. So, this establishes our parameters. First we consider colonizing stellar planets without a space ship at all. Just a chip sized peaces using Saturn’s magnetic field that can cost effectively reach a large percentage of the speed of light. Then assemble them onto a reentry capsule to land on a habitable planet with a habitable atmosphere. Such a planet will likely have life and food, but need shelter and protection. Perhaps isolation is the cheapest location.
From there small mammals the size of a few grams are unfrozen as a starter womb for lager mice then an altered mouse to gestate a small pig then to an altered pig to several female chimps to raise a small tribe of baby girls. That are taught sign language by there mothers and vocal language by robot and media. With each other to speak to they learn language. From there they are taught by media to advance into a society.
Even before then we must solve getting into space cheaper today. That solution appears to be using an altered Rotational Sky Hook plan. Just simply shorten it by using fuel to keep it in space, but pump that fuel into it instead of using it as a hook. This transforms a modest sky hook into a power lifter. Lifting massive amounts of fuel by plane 2,000 pounds per second of fuel or water can be transferred into space, adding up to hundreds of tons of fuel into space annually. Inflated into bags outside the atmosphere they are carried lower to be picked up by super high flying plane to take it farther into low earth orbit. With hundreds of tons of fuel per year, reaching distant locations like the Moon or Mars are possible again, and at a fraction of the payload and technology of a latter space tether.
@Khaelim, this is a great exercise in brainstorming and knowing DARPA they will exploit it as much as possible. But it's just not feasible or possible at this time. They are talking about starting a colony in a different star system....what happened to colonizing Mars or mining the Moon for H3? How about a manned fly-by of saturn? I'm just saying we should learn to walk before we set our sights on the Boston Marathon.
@Dr Chuck 1
please, you are both trolls...this is just about pushing technology forward, cool they are possibly getting private financing
Aliens are a given, they have to exist given the immensity of the universe. As for mind control, ever heard of the TMS? It hasn't been sufficiently researched for actual mind control (officially) but it can affect people's thoughts.
@IceMetalPunk
@JediMindset: No. We do NOT have teleportation. I mean, we have it for photons and subatomic particles, but there's no way to teleport much larger things than that, especially if you want to keep the structure intact (which you would, lest you end up teleported as a plasma).
We can't teleport objects, all we can do is make it so that if you change something about one particle, it happens to another, allowing us to transmit data.
by the time that spaceship-probe reaches another planet, humans will be traveling through space in the same manner as we do to get from one city to another. It would be funny for future generation to come across this kind of probes. These probes will like Egyptian mummies to us.
JediMindset just so you know David Wilcox is a liar, a fraud, and well he's full of shit.
Anyone who quotes or believes David wilcox should be labotomized.