Ever wonder why the people taking cell phone videos of gunfights aren't themselves hit by bullets? Turns out, there's no good explanation other than dumb luck, because according to the laws of physics, they should be totally screwed.
During the manhunt for the Boston Marathon Bombers last week, a bunch of people posted videos online of the firefights, often shot from where they stood, with smartphone cameras. Writing in Esquire, Lt. Col. Robert Bateman was incensed by the life-threatening idiocy of these amateur civilian reporters and speculated that only a poor understanding of science could explain this:
And here's just how powerful bullets are:
To expand on what Bateman sets out, even trained marksmen miss their targets more than Hollywood would have you believe. In an FBI report describing New York Police Department gun use from 1994 to 2000, only shots fired within 6 feet of the target hit with greater than 20 percent accuracy. (Shots fired within 6 feet, by contrast, were accurate
69 38 percent of the time.) Another NYPD report describing shots fired in 2006 says police shot accurately 30 percent of the time. These are shots fired by trained professionals! Of course, bullets don't just disappear when they miss their target. Handgun bullets, like the 9mm rounds that police commonly use, can continue on past the target for more than a mile.
So not only do bullets not behave like they do in movies, but they go further and with less accuracy, especially in a gunfight. Which means that if people find themselves close enough to a gunfight to film it with their phone, they should probably start running for about a mile until they're safely behind something solid. The video quality will be worse from that far away, but it's a small price to pay for being alive to watch the footage.
please distinguish acceleration and velocity which seem to get confused here.
When you watch war documentaries with combat footage, do you think none of those camera men were ever shot or killed? They were.
Reporters and camera man have dangerous jobs, and anyone who does that job is in similar danger, and they know it.
Which is why I cant understand people telling camera men "go away, its dangerous"
The title of this post doesn't jive with the info in the article. According to Col. Bateman, staying inside a house offers no protection from incoming rounds. Ammo larger than .32 will go through front doors, sheet rock, wood, etc.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a pressure cooker bomb is a good guy with a pressure cooker bomb?
@ Wanamingo : No, the answer to the bad person with the pressure cooker bomb is still a good person with a gun. Why don't people get that? It's a zero time scenario, same as the bad guy with a gun. Except with the bomb, you don't know how it can be triggered-so the response is to prevent the person-period. Tased, drugged, whatever; you can't guarantee that a given nutball can't still trigger it.
@ Wanamingo: What an ignorant, unfunny, and dumb comment.
its not their location that they are saying is more dangerous, its their stance + position relatively to the fight which sucks. Ducked behind a corner is more safer than sticking your head in the middle of the road... but hey dont listen to me how to do your job... im no filmmaker ^^
No facts, No response...
Not saying he doesn't have a point, but I think it's him that has a poor understanding of science. The formula he is looking for is that for kinetic energy, ke=1/2mv^2, or as it's known in relation to guns, muzzle energy. He's trying to calculate the force it would take to change the bullet's velocity to zero without knowing over what time that occurs.
@quasi44: A gun is a good way to KILL someone who has already set off a bomb, but it's not a good way to stop them from doing so when the device is not obviously one, nor is it when the device is triggered by a timer or other method.
OK. We have been warned, but being shot is a risk I'm willing to take to get a good video shot. Who, knows the video may expose a cop as a criminal, or clear an officer of wrongdoing.
wanamigo is dark funny. sarcasm is the best way to deal with people who just won't listen any other way.
The best defense against a gun is prevention, make less guns, restrict their sales, only allow police to carry them, educate people, reduce poverty (which reduces all kinds of crime from robberies to domestic disputes) Hell if there wasn't any poverty , im sure americans could all carry guns without hurting each other. only a coward needs to feel safe with a gun, or a pressure cooker. Besides, you don't seriously believe that the boston attack wasn't funded by the NRA, or some other vested intrest, the bombing and the fertilizer plant "accident" occured at the same time as gun rights were being voted on, and voted down because the country was too occupied with the tragedy to care.
Convenient the only survivor was shot in the throat.
The person or persons shooting the building were filled with anger, rage and hate by the the fact they shot every where of the building, roof, walls away from the windows and doors, and fence; the logic part of their brain was off at that time.
RE: This Is Just 'Silly'
Stay indoors during a gunfight?
As we say in the Army, "<b>It depends on the situation.</b>
Case in point, if the gunfight is taking place in whatever building you occupy, and you're not prepared to blow the other guys away....GET THE HELL OUT...if you can.
If the building is not made of materials impervious to gunfire and the rounds a tearing the place down around you.....GET THE HELL OUT! Or at least down into the basement....if you have such.
RE: A Room with a 'View'....
....of the gunfight between the perps and the police?
If ONLY I had the opportunity.
 Call the police via 911.
 Tell the dispatcher where I am and that I can take the perps out from my position.
 Have the scope-mounted AR-15 at my side.
 Open fire to take them out and/or damage their vehicle so they are afoot.
 Observe results and report accordingly.
[God is alive....and Airborne-Ranger qualified.]
P.S. So am I.....
"During the manhunt for the Boston Marathon Bombers last week, a bunch of people posted videos online of the firefights, often shot from where they stood, with smartphone cameras." So does this mean that the one video showing the dead brother stripped naked to show that he did not have a bomb strapped to his body and then put alive into a squad car mean that he was then murdered to keep him from testifying about the involvement/questioning that he received from the FBI before the Boston bombing is true?
The energy of a bullet is expressed by the formula E=(1/2)*mass*velocity squared. Kinetic energy.
Otherwise, the danger of being hit by a stray round is good reason to put as much stuff, the harder the better, as possible between you and the shooter.
FYI, cinder blocks are often adequate to stop .223 and all pistol rounds.
I think the picture above is from outside the US. By the looks of it, it is from some war zone. I think PopSci choose it to make the point that people should take cover during a fire fight.
Conspiracy much? You have a stance against one piece of technology that is used in some violence. The tech does not make the evil actions though, people use the tech to assist in the evil action. Don't be mistaken, those people could just as well use other tech.
I agree there is a correlation between violence and poverty, but that does not mean that "have-nots" are doomed to be violent people. This is doubly true considering that the murder rate in the 3d world is less than almost anywhere in the West. Assuming you mean a disparity in wealth, how would you propose to solve the problem? This issue is involving a great amount of psychology, sociology, and macro economics.
TO: dkella, et al
<i>The best defense against a gun is prevention, make less guns, restrict their sales, only allow police to carry them....</i> -- dkella
....you can explain to all of US how it is that your dream world already exists in Chicago. And yet, they had a record year in 2012 for gun-related deaths.
And 2013 is looking like it might break last years record.
P.S. I'll not be holding my breath for your answer.....
dkella....do you even realize how long guns last if they are cleaned and taken care of??? Generations. So the whole make less guns idea is absurd. There are countless guns out there, many are in the hands of people who are not the original owners. You can discontinue the manufacturing of ALL guns right this second, and guess what, there will still be guns in the hands of the unlawful. Maybe you should google how many people are alive thanks to having a home defense weapon or a concealed weapon. People like you just focus on the number of deaths when something like Sandy Hook happens (which that whole ordeal is shady, but that's another debate).
Receive. Reflect. Respond.
TO: All, and especially dkella
RE: Urban Warfare, Chicago-Style
Seems like the federal government thinks that Chicago is the best possible 'training ground' for military operations in an urban environment.
Take a gander an <a href="http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/04/alarming-dod-launches-urban-assault-training-in-chicago-suburb-frightened-residents-describe-a-war-zone/" title="Alarming! DOD Launches Urban Assault Training In Chicago Suburb, Frightened Residents Describe “A War Zone”"><b><u>THIS!</u></b></a>.
Seems that the feds think that MORE GUNS are better than fewer.
P.S. Still waiting for your reply to my earlier post....but not holding my breath.....
bgdavison, the photo's caption states that the bulding is in Angola.
Keep inside during the gunfight? Then how am I gonna keep Grandma from going to jail?
Auroria, the reason the building looks like that is very simple - they were shooting at it with machine guns. Vast numbers of shots evenly spaced, probably shot in just a few seconds or minutes, you cant aim exactly but enough bullets will go in the right general direction to kill almost anything..
Hence the state department travel warnings...
Not all of the government thinks that, only the side that is most popular right now does. Chicago is the best training area because New York is just too awesome!
If a dude shoot your car with a Minigun it will blow up in TEN seconds.
watch out for a flying wheel.