The Military's Mystery Machine

I usually count on PS to provide an unbiased approach to ANY subject. And yet this guest author seems less concerned with details of the technology and more with tearing apart alternative theories to the uses of HAARP. His "arguments" against alternative theories are paltry at best, amounting to little more than a government denial of "because I said it's not". I would even stretch to say this author is part of covering up the true purpose himself as he had baseless comments for all major theories. This article sounded more like weak government propaganda than a serious tech piece.

I am not saying that any of the alternative theories do or don't hold true. But if an article's aim is to discredit a theory then fair journalism says that it should be based in fact not in mere "pay no attention to the man..." grade comments.

Shame on PS for publishing this pathetic article and allowing this author space to grace their pages. I hope they do better in the future.

So if this is program is really what they claim it is, why has been being planned for 30 years and why did it take 15 years to install 180 aluminum antennas?

With 280 million dollars, one would think that they had adequate funds to install 180 aluminum antennas! Those antennas don't look like $1.55 million dollars each to me!

I have to say that the article was not terrible, but there is more to be discussed here. Traveling to Anchorage and Fairbanks not too long ago and experiencing the Northern Lights, I learned a lot about what it takes to monitor and capture the frequencies and lights on camera. The price tag for the antennas is not that ridiculous. Two years ago I helped a friend install to antennas for solely the purpose of monitoring the same frequencies that cause the Northern lights. The home editions of these antennas set him back about $500 a pop. So, knowing that the government spends money out the wazoo! I can imagine a sophisticated setup costing that much.

As for the conspiracy side of all this.... I can't say that I buy the mind control or missile shield ideas. They seem plausible, but all too improbable. I think a conspiracy involving the usage of bluetooth headsets to read minds and and gather information on people to have more weight than the mind control up in Alaska idea.

A missile shield from just airwaves and frequencies to form a sort of force field, huh, maybe. But, only to fry the missile's internal electronics forcing it to veer off course. It would be cool however if it were possible to manipulate the electromagnetic waves of outer space to rip the missile in question apart internally. I honestly do believe that there is some scientific work going on up there, but such a remote location, thirty years in the making, and the testing of some theories we do not fully grasp yet... Ya, I would have to say there is some new type of gadgetry or testing going on up there that we may never know about. Hell, it all could be used to throw off the Super Hadron Collider and force a meltdown of some sort causing it to fail, and in the even that we all live the idea be put to use in the U.S. by the lowest bidder. Think Space Shuttles to get the picture.

There is way too much more I could say, but it is late. Also, I am more than a novice at most things and aeronautics, space, and science are my favorite areas, but grammar is not. So, while I may know much about certain topics, my knowledge is quickly thrown aside due to my poor proofing and writing skills.

I would agree with the first comment by serengo, the article seems little more than a "government denial"

If this project is so wonderful and has no sinister military applications, why is it funded by the USAF and Navy? And why would DARPA be involved if the research was of a peaceful nature.

I'm afraid the explanation in the article is just about as ridiculous as the overused and incredibly annoying joke about "tin-foil hats". Can't these people come up with some new material?

I read that the HAARP facility have "open days" and I suppose this is meant to put our minds at rest? But you can be sure the public are not allowed to poke their noses around all the rooms there. Doesn't the White House also allow visitors? Like most things connected with the Military/Government, they only let you see what they want you to see!

Maybe Abe Streep will be telling us next that George Bush is intelligent and the best President in American history? Which would be just as far fetched!

I had the pleasure of going to and from Alaska for many years. On occasion I would stop at HAARP because of some maintenance work. I would also stay in town and enjoy a beer at the local bar in town. The stories about HAARP were always great, strached and in abundance. The best one was HAARP could tell how much money was in your wallet. Another good one was it could make Moose walk backwards. And as mentioned in the article, it could alter the weather. How many times did I want HAARP to change the weather when it was minus 50 degrees. All of this talk was malarkey! I went in throughout all of the rooms and never found any hidden aliens. Nick Begich sorry but you and the rest of your fellow conspiracy theorists are way out on left field.

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It's Mind Control, Mind Control I tell ya!!!!!
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hey, did any of you guys ever hear of that thing call haarp
or haarpy or something like that?

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does everything that the government fund have to be sinister? or does it even have to do with anything? as far as im concerned the journalism does not suck, and you people are a closed minded and arrogant. this research program is the stepping stone to the organization of many other great programs of their own. for the prosperity and protection of the countries we call home. so stop harassing the journalists and editors they probably dont want to hear it. give them praise and distinction for the wonderful news, sheesh. i do agree though there is much more to cover on this topic. give that reporter some more work to do.

"does everything that the government fund have to be sinister?"

With this government, YES!

"this research program is the stepping stone to the organization of many other great programs of their own. for the prosperity and protection of the countries we call home."

Did you hear that on some government website?

"so stop harassing the journalists and editors they probably dont want to hear it. give them praise and distinction for the wonderful news, sheesh."

Oh my God! Another person who wants to abolish Free Speech. The author of the article gave his "biased" opinion on the subject of HAARP, but according to sponge7 others can not. That's very democratic!

"i do agree though there is much more to cover on this topic."

That's for sure! If people are allowed to say their piece, regardless of whether they support the HAARP project or not.

"give that reporter some more work to do"

All he needs to do is keep an open mind and accept that HAARP could be used (or developed further) as a deadly weapon, if placed in the wrong hands. Russia have a similar device, do you think that is used for public protection? Or do you think only foreign governments would use such a device as a weapon?

Take a look around the internet and read the stories on this subject, they are not all written by people wearing "tin-foil" hats. Don't limit yourself to just obtaining News from the likes of CNN or Fox News, they tell you what the government want you to hear. Listen to ALL the sources before you come to a decision, and then you can form an opinion of your own.

I think there are three kinds of people in the comments section of this article. There are those against HAARP, those with HAARP, and those who think people should just keep an open mind.

I personally think the article could have used a little more coverage of the subject in greater detail. On the other hand you can't really blame it for being biased, since all reporters are that way. You have to read an article and decide what to believe and what's just irrelevant. For example the key word "Tin-foil hats", was used to make all the anti-HAARP people appear ignorant and radical. It could be that some of them actually are, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's true and you don't have necessarily to believe it.

If look at the topic taking in a broad range of views into consideration, you will come up with a well based conclusion.
Mine is that HAARP is probably another one of those places, were because it's remote and appears to have a mysterious background, has become a center of attention for people that love rumors. Another example of such a place is area 51. I don't require for you to agree with me, but just don't believe everything you read or hear.

I recall that during my world travels in the 1960', 70's and 80's, I noticed that almost every NSA "field station" had an antenna that they called the "elephant cage". There was one in Gablingen outside Augsburg in Germany and another at Tori Station in Okinawa.

These were stations where the Army Security Agency and the NSA would monitor transmissions from Eastern Europe and China. They're gone now. But the story with the "elephant cage" was that it was used to conduct atmospheric testing.

Sound familiar?

I kind of lean toward the mind control gone wrong theory. It would explain the out of control BDS and 9/11 truthers. It was experiment in mind control that instead drove people stark raving bonkers.

If you really want to see the truth you should watch CBC news coverage on HAARP, in youtube, it presents a lot of evidence that shows that HAARP is indeed a weather control machine. just type "haarp cbc" in youtube and search

If you really want to see the truth you should watch CBC news coverage on HAARP, in youtube, it presents a lot of evidence that shows that HAARP is indeed a weather control machine. just type "haarp cbc" in youtube and search

If you really want to see the truth you should watch CBC news coverage on HAARP, in youtube, it presents a lot of evidence that shows that HAARP is indeed a weather control machine. just type "haarp cbc" in youtube and search
or this is the link to part 1:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QkLTzesBxGE

If you really want to see the truth you should watch CBC news coverage on HAARP, in youtube, it presents a lot of evidence that shows that HAARP is indeed a weather control machine. just type "haarp cbc" in youtube and search
or this is the link to part 1:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QkLTzesBxGE

jipaxton, I just saw the videos on youtube. I have a bridge I would like to sell to you. A while back, I had to do some geological filming around the Gakona area which meant flying close to HAARP. I contracted a local pilot with over 12000 hours. A pilot in Alaska with that many hours and still alive is the person I wanted to fly me around. Unfortunately we had to stop what I was doing and return in the spring. Why? The Pilot decided the weather, I'll repeat, the weather was not safe and made the decision to land the airplane, he's the boss.
Bottom line, it doesn't matter what I say or anyone else. If you think pigs are purple then, pigs are purple and no one is going to change your mind.

YouTube......Now that's where I go when I need the "Real Truth" on any matter.

I have to admit though, sometimes I go to Wikipedia to get the other "Real Truth"

Bwahhhhh ha ha ha,,,, snort (that was milk coming out my nose, sorry)

(sad part is, they're better than the MSM)

I visited a friend of mine in Kenai penninsula in Alaska some time ago and while visiting I brought up the issue of Harrp. Now he is kind of an explorer ie; man about Alaska. As I explained what Harrp was to him he was having a difficult time believing me. He asked ...where is this installation and I stated...it is in your backyard. He is the kind of guy that knows everything that goes on in Alaska but found this information hard to believe untill I showed him the book I had about Harrp that I brought along with me on my visit.

Harrp has been in existance for sometime and my understanding at that time was one of it's powers was to alter the upper atmospheric pressure and possibly have the power to alter weather. So this Harrp buisness has been around for a long time.
Thanks Popular Science for your work in bringing us great topics of all catagories.

Here are a couple of Books on HARRP.

HARRP... By JE SMITH

ANGELS DON'T PLAY THIS HARRP.. By BEGICH & MANNING

I somewhat agree with Dollarboy, but this article definitely has a tone that suggests the author is just trying to discredit or write off people who believe HAARP isn't what they say it is, due to the lack of hard evidence and use of biased language (i.e. tinfoil hats). While it may sound far-fetched that the government would spend that much money on a radio research facility, we do spend $1 billion apiece for a B-2 bomber. In short, I think that this article was a bit to vague sounding to be published, and PS should let people think what they want instead of calling us a bunch of crazies.

These comments are mostly ridiculous. Of course it's just a research station. The outlandish theories about other possible uses are so far in advance of actual technology as to be easy to dismiss. As for "tinfoil hats," that is an actual and very real phenomena. I personally have met a guy who wore a copper pyramid as a hat to absorb pyramid power from the magnetic field -- and a grounded tinfoil hat might actually serve as a Faraday cage to protect against alien mind control, if it existed.

The reason why scientists are so dismissive of the conspiracy theories is that they all violate Occam's Razor -- not a disproof, but certainly something to consider.

Anyone with a basic understanding of the state of the related science today knows that the outlandish theories about HAARP are silly: While it may be true some of the experiments may be in weather control, mind control, or shooting down ballistic missiles, the key point is that those techniques *won't work!* Not any better than the experiments during the Cold War when "scientists" pointed telescopes upward to spy on the Soviet Union, in case the Earth was hollow, and we were living on the inner surface.

The obvious explanation is that these are perfectly normal scientists who want to study fascinating things but have to also experiment with submarine communication and the occasional pointless mind control experiment in order to get DOD funding...

Is it possible that this could be a partial cause for global warming? We have only been having problems with the warming of the earth's surface recently.I'm not saying this is the cause for global warming, but it's possible.

I have been reading about HAARP for a few years now, and, yes, I first heard about it from an NPR interview where the interviewed suggested that it was, in fact, a 'death ray from above' that was generated from HAARP that 'shot down' the World Trade Center towers. Thats right! It was so crazy it motivated me to look it up.

Most of the information I initially learned was similar to what the PopSci article says. Basically its a measuring device for the ionosphere as well as long range submarine communications. The implications of this were based upon the principal, as stated in the PopSci article, that you can 'bounce' radio waves off of the curvature of the planet to end up at varying angles... anywhere in the world you want them, ie directly above your own subs, much like aiming a pool ball on a pool table. This makes perfect sense for multiple purposes, least of which would be stealth; which, by default, wraps it in secrecy.

The next was something added to that. It is an ionospheric heater. It HEATS the ionosphere. It does this using frequency ranges similar, and encompassing, those of a standard microwave oven. Heat the water vapor around an area long enough and you could, in fact, create boiling temperatures, over a long enough period of time to shoot down missiles or topple buildings? not sure, but, from the sounds of it, they can aim them fairly well, well enough to at least talk to submarines deep under water on the opposite side of the planet. What would happen if a missile flew threw an intensified version of that?, no clue, but I'd imagine it could damage the fairly sensitive electronics inside.

My search purpose was much more malicious than shooting down missiles though. And it wasn't until I ran across a video on the Discovery Channel of all places.
www.google.com/video "Owning the Weather"
There is a part of this dedicated to HAARP which states not only how/why HAARP exists and is afforded, but very clearly states that HAARP has the ability and the power to heat a 400sq mile area to 50,000 degrees. Now, I know missiles and rockets are reentry vehicles with LOTS of heat shielding but 50,000degrees seems like enough to liquify anything, if not at least a few wires on the guidance system.

But the real trick wasn't 400 sq miles to 50,000degrees, but what about 0.4sq miles? Hot enough to topple a building from 6,000 miles away? Plausible? Seems like it could be?

But another part of the video brought up an even more interesting theory to me... or conspiracy. What if HAARP were used to heat oceans to 'guide' hurricanes? or tsunamis? Do you realize how many oil ports in the Texas area got their contracts renewed after Katrina went through? I read in Forbes the insurance claims were upwards of $1.5billion for the oil infrastructure alone as a direct result to Katrina.

Tsunamis are another story altogether. But if I remember not too long ago, a country, a single country was locked down with the only route from Iraq/n to Vietnam w/out going through China. So locked down that even after pleas to accept tsunami aid relief, it still didn't accept it and starved millions. Hit it with a tsunami, force them to accept aid relief, and open the country up from there.

My point is, space shuttles, natural disasters, and missile defense were all mentioned in the Operation Northwoods documents under Kennedy, and HAARP seems the perfect weapon of war to allow many to come to fruition. Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems enough other people are too to justify PopSci doing an article about it.

I tend to agree with the post above.

Having that kind of power could only be so tempting to use it to its full potential for some. Put that kind of technology in the hands of a mad man and were all history!

Scary stuff! I dont trust anyone who has such control over the entire Earth!

Its also another project that could easily hide funds used for other projects that we dont know about.

I dont think the initial article written on this went deep enough or gave enough "unbiased" information. Considering the power of Haarp i wouldve thought a proper investigation wouldve been justified.

I am fascinated with the many of the comments to this article, and agree with serengo about this author. I've been an avid reader of Popsci for over 20 years, and have never been so dissappointed in an article till now.

I lived in Fairbanks Alaska for four years in the mid 90's during my stay in the military. During that time the development of the HAARP was being developed by the Department of Defense. The funding was spearheaded by Senator Stevens who was head of the Defense Appropriations Commitee. I've also studied this topic for the past 12 years with some intensity.

For those of you who discount what the HAARP is and has the capability of clearly do not understand the science involved. The nay sayers to Nick Begich's work have not read his numerous books and articles which contain a thoroughly documented trail of evidence to support many of his claims. Unlike this author who states none of the claims are possible, just because they say it isn't so, is not science. At least make some assertion with a basis of fact before turning a blind eye.

The HAARP is a very complicated topic and the use of VLF and ELF waves for those who have done thier homework should not be taken lightly.

I suggest that some of you do some personal research if you really have an interest in this subject. Otherwise your comments remain unhelpful and your time is wasted instead of using your time wisely in research.

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I think that the above is stupid. it could possibly be real. but i say we just wait it out.

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I'm not qualified to make any assessment of what HAARP can or cannot do, so I won't even try to make an independent judgment.

Let's assume for a moment that there are perfectly valid scientific and technological reasons to believe, or at least suspect, HAARP can be used for the various (and nefarious, sometimes) purposes some conspiracy theorists say it can. And let's say they can provide some documentation of their theories, but not any smoking gun, which appears to be the case in my limited exposure to the topic -- I don't recall ever having even heard of this project until just a few months ago. (Please correct me if I'm wrong about the indisputable, accepted by one and all, smoking gun, however.)

I can say with some assurance, since it does overlap into my professional education and work, that one problem for these theories at they're surrounded, at least in many people's minds, with other theories that most of us take as both outright loony and incorrect. And being grouped with those crackpot ideas don't serve the aims of those who want to see the project more closely monitored, more transparent, etc., or even shut down entirely.

The problem for HAARP investigators can be usefully compared to the mountain genuine UFO researchers have to climb, an arduous task made all the harder by the mountain's continued growth -- reaching the peak (proof) remains elusive, and it remains elusive to some degree -- a great one, IMHO -- exactly because of the Loony Tunes we hear from some. Look what happens when a legitimate story and a far-out one appear simultanesouly or very nearly so. Say you have a number of trained, professional pilots, both civilian and military, all of whom spot and report a UFO -- remember that "UFO" means ANY unidentified flying object, including weather balloons, unrecognized aircraft, and so on -- and further imagine their stories match up, and are backed up by other observes, such as radar operators in control towers and visual confirmations from other folks in those control towers. Then you look further down the front page of today's newspaper, and there's a related story by a group of people announcing that they're *really* from a planet in the Andromeda Galaxy, or . . . well, you know the drill. They might claim to have learned how to exceed the speed of light, making (for instance) the trip from Andromeda to here in a few days or even hours. Most folks will just shake their heads and say or thing, "R-I-I-I-GHT. Did you forget your medications this morning?"

We're all influenced by stuff like this, and in this case, we're likely to go back to the first story with a more skeptical eye -- tarring it with the same brush as the latter tale.

But back to HAARP itself. If it does have the capabilities of altering weather, changing a hurricane's course, inducing earthquakes, triggering tsunamis, then sure, I hope it's well-managed and VERY closely supervised.

There is an upside, perhaps, it HAARP really can, for example, fry a missile in mid-flight. That it, many people are concerned by what they perceive to be a weakening of our national defense capabilities (about which some are quite strident, to say the least); the most recent outcry is continuing and involves the new treaty between us (the U.S.) and Russia to reduce our nuclear stockpiles. But if we can reliably intercept and destroy enemy missiles at will, then there's no need for us to make Russia glow in the dark for years (or decades or centuries), is there? And if we can redirect hurricanes away from land, we can both avoid another Katrina scenario *and* warn shipping to stay clear. (The potential implications for the environment are an entirely different set of considerations, however, I must say.)

This whole business about HAARP is becoming of greater interest to me, in no small measure because of the comments of some of my fellow readers.

Conspiracy theories are so popular because they are unable to be proven false, and many people love to be in the know, to have information that no one else has. And of course, anyone who does not buy into your paranoia must be part of the government coverup. Sorry, guy, but the Apollo missions did result in men walking on the moon, KFC actually does fry chicken, and 9/11 was a terrorist attack. But big brother IS watching you! LOL