Wyoming's anti-scientific laws have allowed the most famous wolf in Yellowstone to be shot. Shooting wolves isn't only senseless--it actively harms the environment.

Juvenile Grey Wolf
Juvenile Grey Wolf Wikimedia Commons

Last week, an alpha female grey wolf known as 832F, perhaps the most widely seen wolf at Yellowstone National Park, was shot and killed after straying just outside the boundaries of the park and into greater Wyoming. Wyoming is a lunatic state that has legalized the mass shooting of an animal that poses basically no threat to anyone and is, in fact, an essential part of the ecosystem as a whole.

The grey wolf (Canis lupus) was historically found throughout the northern reaches of North America and Eurasia. In North America, it's still well-spread in Alaska and Canada, despite the best efforts of Alaskans, who like to shoot them from planes. But in the continental United States, it's had to be reintroduced and protected because state laws have bowed to the ill-informed power of agribusiness and hunters and allowed the wolf to be shot, for no reason, all the time. Yellowstone, just under 3,500 square miles in size, is home to, says the National Park Service, about 98 grey wolves, all protected within the park's boundary. Wyoming, the aforementioned lunatic state, covers nearly 100,000 square miles, and the state's absurd legislators have legalized the shooting of any wolf (even right outside the park's borders, which a wolf wouldn't recognize as borders because it's a wolf) so as to keep the total number of grey wolves in Wyoming to 150. Wyoming residents have shot 87 wolves this year, including the alpha female wolf, which spent 95 percent of its time within Yellowstone and made the mistake last week of venturing out into a state that has legalized its murder for no reason.

Earlier this year, under pressure from hunters and agribusiness, the US Fish and Wildlife Service de-listed the grey wolf from Wyoming's endangered species list--after spending millions of dollars to reintroduce it to its natural habitat after the last time Wyoming residents shot them all. In 1995, wolves were reintroduced into the national parks, and they're still protected in the parks, but it's hard to explain the vagaries of national park borders and state and federal law to a wolf, so they tend to stray into the 80% of the state where they can be shot on sight. And wolf populations are still dangerously low in Wyoming. Yes, dangerous: shooting wolves isn't just useless, it's actively harmful to the environment.

Here are the reasons proponents of wolf hunting give to keep shooting wolves, and why those reasons are stupid and wrong.

Tagged Grey Wolf
Tagged Grey Wolf:  William Campbell/USFWS

Stupid Reason #1. Wolves kill livestock. Well, yeah, sure. In Russia wolves can really damage a watermelon crop (this is true, amazingly) but in North America the grey wolf is so far down on the list of things that can kill livestock as to render this reason completely ridiculous--and, what's worse, incredibly easy to check. You think you can't just look up the numbers and see what kills livestock? This isn't up for debate! This is thoroughly surveyed every year!

In 2010, according to the USDA, wolves killed 8,100 head of cattle, resulting in a total revenue loss of $3,646,000. Whew, lotta money, right? NO IT IS NOT. That's only 3.7 percent of the total of other predators; coyotes, which are everywhere, account for 53.1 percent, or 116,700 head of cattle. Other animals which kill more cattle than wolves include: dogs (21,800 head), big cats like mountain lions, bobcats, and lynx (18,900 head), and vultures (11,900 head).

And just for the record, we shouldn't shoot coyotes, either. Coyotes are not technically an invasive species, but they have shown a remarkable ability to adapt to heavily human environments and are certainly a bigger risk to livestock, people, and pets than wolves. In response the US government kills about 90,000 coyotes a year, so there's no need for you to wander around with a rifle shooting wild animals for fun. And if you live in an area with lots of coyotes, just get a dog. Dogs have been proven to be an extremely effective deterrent for coyotes, which are relatively small canids and are also fairly timid. Get a border collie. That's a good dog.

Now let's get into the real embarrassing stats. The idea that carnivorous predators are a major problem for agribusiness is like saying the cost of maintaining movable type is a real problem for the newspaper industry. That's just not how these things work anymore; if livestock is your business, you've got a lot of problems, but wolves aren't even close to one of them. Remember that wolves killed roughly 8,100 head of cattle in 2010. The USDA's National Agriculture Statistics Service estimates that 1,055,000 head of cattle were felled by respiratory problems in that same year. Over a million. Digestive problems took out another half a million head. And let's not pretend the inhumane manner in which agribusiness raises cattle didn't have something to do with that. Write off another 500,000 each to the weather and various problems with calving. Hell, just flat-out cattle rustling accounted for nearly twice as many lost head of cattle as wolves. Predators are only 5.5 percent of total cattle losses, and wolves are only 0.23 percent of the total. If you're shooting wolves it's because you like to shoot wolves, and I hope "gets enjoyment out of shooting majestic creatures" is listed in the next version of the Diagnostic and Statistic Manual of Mental Disorders.

Grey Wolf Pups
Grey Wolf Pups:  Wikimedia Commons

Stupid reason #2: Wolves kill elk, caribou, and other ungulates. There are groups, like Friends of the Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd, who maintain that wolves should not be protected because they kill too many elk. Here's how friendly the Friends of the Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd is: they are such good friends with the elk that they want to eliminate the elk's major natural predator...so there are more elk for the Friends to shoot, with their guns. This is a hunting organization that is annoyed that a natural ecosystem is making it difficult for them to shoot the animals they want to shoot. In many of the Big Sky states, this is how hunting legislation gets written: with input and political pressure from hunters. Stop listening to hunters. Listen to scientists.

Furthermore, there is a great deal of evidence that wolves are actually good for the long-term health of the Yellowstone ecosystem, which is something you certainly can't say about hunters. Wolves prey on the weak and enfeebled; by culling the elk herd in this way, the remaining elk tend to be stronger and healthier, with less competition for resources. Wolves certainly do not pose any kind of long-term threat to the Yellowstone elk, unlike hunters, who prefer to shoot the strongest and most glorious elk they can find, because this is how you measure your worth if you are the type to measure your worth by your skill at shooting things with guns. Subsistence hunters, by the way, should be thankful for wolves, because subsistence hunters rely on strong and healthy herds, which wolves help maintain. This is how the damn planet works.

Oh, and without wolves, elk (and caribou and moose, if you go further north) experience crazy overpopulation, which is awful for the biological ecosystem, and further leads to a lack of resources which leads to a crash in population far worse than if there were wolves (and mountain lions, and bears) around to naturally cull the population. Wolves--even an unnaturally small population like that in Wyoming--are good for the environment, not bad.

Hunting to maintain natural order is sometimes required; in my home state of Pennsylvania, for example, there is a dangerous overpopulation of white-tailed deer. They have few natural predators, because we've shot them all (see: wolves, mountain lions), and there are more than the local ecosystem can handle. They damage forests by eating and trampling young plants, they wander into roads and get hit by cars because they encroach on human areas. They are dangerous, and there is a state program to cull them, in concert with scientific findings, to make sure there is a safe number of deer. Pennsylvania certainly isn't perfect, but that's the way this should be done.

Grey Wolf Takin' A Lie-Down
Grey Wolf Takin' A Lie-Down:  Wikimedia Commons

Stupid reason #3: Wolves are dangerous to humans. Jesus Christ, no they are not. The grey wolf is a timid animal, much more likely to run from an approaching human than to make any kind of aggressive gesture. To be fair, wolves can occasionally contract rabies from other animals--they're not natural carriers themselves--and nearly all reported cases of wolf attack have been by rabid wolves. But that doesn't even matter!

There have been between 20 and 30 wolf attacks, three being fatal, in North America in the entire 20th century. Since wolves were reintroduced into Yellowstone in 1995, there have been zero attacks. In that same 100-year period, there were 71 fatal attacks from brown bears (including the grizzly subspecies). Oh, and about 17 people die every year from dog attacks. Wolves run when they see humans. They are not dangerous. You are not "protecting your property" when you shoot a wolf in your backyard; you are murdering an animal that's scared as hell of you.

There is no valid reason to make it legal to hunt wolves. The only honest argument you could make is "I like to shoot wolves for fun," which is kind of psychotic, so shut the hell up about livestock or elk herds or danger to humans. And don't get angry when us sensible folks listen to scientists and make your insane compulsion illegal. Shooting wolves is bad for wolves, meaningless for livestock, bad for the environment, and bad for people. Conservation of individual species is incredibly difficult; we have done damage to our ecosystems, and they don't work as well as they should, and, yes, we need to find a way to keep it as healthy as possible given our own needs. And that's why we need to listen to scientists, not ranchers or hunters. We need to get the best data possible, run it through the best minds we can find, and make our laws in accordance with what will do the most good. We sure as hell shouldn't listen to a group that wants to shoot wolves on Tuesday so they can shoot elk on Wednesday.

Yellowstone estimates that a million people saw 832F in its short, six-year life. I don't even need to get into the whole "it was a protective mother, a fierce hunter, a noble leader of its pack" stuff, because this isn't about anthropomorphizing a wolf. 832F was almost certainly the most visible element of an important effort by the National Park Service to restore Yellowstone's ecosystem to its natural order, an effort that's vital to the survival of this park and even this country. People came from all over the world and saw this wolf, this rare creature, in one of the country's most beautiful places, the way it's supposed to be. That is an amazing thing. And now nobody will see it again, because it was shot, perfectly legally. And now it's dead.

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You can tell someone is a liberal when they call hunting "murder" and abortion "family planning".

These wolves are animals. True, they are beneficial and beautiful animals, but they are simply animals. The language and passion in this article are appropriate for the mass slaughter in Syria, but not for wolves in Yellowstone.

I was thinking the same thing ppardee. And what kind of writer for a renowned magazine uses the word goddamn and goes on a rant. Use facts, no need to get emotional.

"Wyoming is a lunatic state..."

Wow. Is that rational science reporting?

yes because Wyoming is full of people who think they are killing machines. disgusting.

stop shooting wolves. you're embarrassing yourselves again, america.

show some more respect for other living things you losers.

not enough gun control WAY too many guns. and arseholes.

the wolfs took r jabs!!

then get a new skill set u fukin loser

The emotional element undemines the "objectivity", but people who shoot wolves are friggin cavemen. People who abuse animals are far more likely to become serial killers. Just saying. Dont marry a hunter, he might give you the beat down when he cant find any more wolves.

Regardless of the facts presented in this article, I was extremely offended by the author's lack of vocabulary and over emotional expressions. Pop Sci is getting deleted from my Google Reader feed.

Well this author is the same one who went on a lunatic rant about some "climate change denier".

@ppardee

ditto.

That's the "god dam" spirit. I use to live in Phoenix on the outskirts of town, coyotes use to run through our neighborhood at night like they owned the place looking for rabbits. They would howl at night which was anoying. One lady was walking her small dog, they were so bold to run up and take the dog off the lease. There were too many rabbits in our neighborhood so for them to clear the rabbits out was a gift, but when they go after pets then that's when people fight back. Wolf are no different. Wolfs have been known to attack humans, although they are majestic animals if they were hanging out in my neighborhood and they attacked my pet I would shoot them too. However with that being said no one should ever shoot an animal just for the fun of it.

Ron Bennett

After the fiscal cliff and or 'whatever' budget that is decided by our government, the national parks management & staff will be reduced and this problem will only get worse.

The only savior to these and other animals will be strong laws and or penalties. Of course, if no law enforcement is around to enforce them, it might become moot.

I also envision law enforcement will be reduced with budget cuts....

By the way, after Jan 1st, I hope the government post what their pay raises will be, the hypocrites! But now I am venting on another topic……

Why is this even on PopSci? If I wanted to read an insanely biased piece attempting to persuade me to not kill wildlife, I'd go look at WWF or PETA's websites. I come here to read factual, informative articles about science, not be bombarded by violently opinionated articles... PopSci should probably add screening for psychotic wolf fetishes to its hiring process to prevent more people like this guy from destroying their already declining reputation as a scientific publication.

Not that I really expected any better from the author after reading some of his other articles... Case and point:
www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-11/i-will-destroy-robot-sheet-music-sight-reader-i-swear-i-will
www.popsci.com/technology/article/2012-10/chanting-party-hard-while-man-gets-zapped-million-volts

Please PopSci, stop this madness.

This author (Dan Nosowitz) is the same author that used POPSCI as a platform to attack some other guy on the internet (Kempel). And now he is using POPSCI as a platform again to attack an entire state, using profanity and broad terms of insult. This is far from professional journalism and POPSCI as a whole should be ashamed. Dan is not helping your reputation POPSCI, he is hurting it. Injecting extreme personal opinion, bias and a base to launch attacks on others does have a place on the internet, and that is a personal blog.

I am for wild life management, the upkeep and reduction thereof, both. Domestic and wild animals do need management and to be cared for.

Go tell a rancher who loses upwards of $200 for every lamb killed by wolves that those losses are nothing. It's more for cattle. That's money out of that's rancher's family's pocket, and making it a little harder to make a living. No, wolves should not be wantonly exterminated, but unless you provide compensation for those who suffer losses from wolves, you can't justly ask them to stop shooting wolves to protect their livestock and their livelihood.

“PoPuLar SciNCe “, two words that are often used in various combinations with this website. I have seen it so often, I am not surprise and do consider it a standard. With it being a standard, I think whiners venting on this article not being PoPSCi are off.

It is certainly unfortunate that these wolf are being hunted this enthusiastically so soon after leaving federal protection...

But with that said, the kind of purely emotional, reactionary ranting this article is comprised of is embarrassing at best, and will tend to turn the undecided/reasonable reader away from the topic all together. I always tend to lean heavily towards wildlife conservation, but by the end of this article I was left with the temptation to cull a few nuisance coyote in spite of Mr. Nosowitz.

*(Not for fun, mind you... you might be shocked to learn that many hunters are also conservationists)*

I cant help but wonder who on the PopSci editorial staff has a hard on for this writer. His articles rarely amount to anything above vitriolic smear pieces (or erotica should the topic be anything Apple...). Cant understand why anyone would keep him on staff.

The only people this article speaks to are already impulsively frothing at the mouth over the topic. It appears Mr. Nosowitz is writing letters to himself.

My above comment was meant as a 'goodway' towards Dan Nosowitz and PoPSCi.

I like animals more then humans, and i dont like people hunting for any other reason then for food, or protection from a legit animal threat. Poor wolves, leave them alone. My brother hunts deer and i still think thats cruel, but then i think im a hipocrit because i eat meat all the time, and that basicly means i help fund people killing animals so i can eat them, but i cant go vegitarian because i love burgers and nugets. I personaly would try to pet the wolf before i tried to shoot the poor guy. And its really stupid of our government spending alot of dough to bring back a dwindiling population just to let people hunt them again, just goes to show you this country i love is run by idiots.

Neanderthal man existed on Earth for 250,000 years. Then comes along modern man communicates better and has more imagination tool making skills and wipes them out, with a little interbreeding on the side with Neanderthal.

So in PoPSCi and the world around us, we talk, we kill, we talk and we kill everything around us and oh how we make wonderful weapons with our imagination too.

.......... sad sigh.

I agree with this writer and im glad they have a personal view on it. Why kill animals for fun, just because you can, were not wild animals our selves but have intellect and have moved past this. I understand hunting can be necessary for population control, come over to new jersey and help with our over population of deer, not hunt a these poor animals to near extinction because of old myths and false truths. I hope you "Lunatics" In Wyoming read this. I got a great idea, we have a overpopulation of Lunatics in Wyoming that are just wasting world resources, how about we go hunting!

Wow, the editor should be ashamed of themself. No fact checking at all. At the end of December 2011, there were an estimated 328 wolves in Wyoming, including 48 packs and 27 breeding pairs. This included 224 wolves, 36 packs, and 19 breeding pairs outside Yellowstone National Park. Per the game and fish website on wolves in wyoming.

There have been 58 wolves taken this year in Wyoming. With only 19 taken outside the established hunt areas. Just call the Wyoming Game and Fish and ask. They have daily updates on the wolves. 307-777-4600.

Wow, Caribou in Wyoming... That's amazing since caribou aren't found in Wyoming. If you are going to publish an article for such a respected magazine group the least you can do is check your facts.

Dan,

I can't read your screed anymore. Please find a different outlet for your political rants.

Dan, I like dogs of any kind, please keep posting! Yes, I am sentimental and predigests for them. ;)

Oh.... lol... cats can still be dog food, just kidding. I am for all animals!

I'm totally in agreement with the writer of the article... being pissed off about wolves being slaughtered is the only way to be.

I agree that there is no legitimate reason to shoot a wolf in the lower 48 states. I'm sure your also correct about the reasons the wolf has lost it's endangered status. Who in their right mind would consider a population of only 150 eligible for removal from endangered status! I do think that your approach to this issue seems more emotional than professional and if you want to be taken more seriously I feel you should come at this from a slightly more matter of fact approach. You have the facts on your side, don't polarize the opposition by telling them they are essentially idiots!

"Shooting wolves is bad for wolves"

That is so blatantly obvious, words cannot describe. That's like saying "Drinking a highly caustic acid mix with gasoline and napalm laced with pcp and a touch of uranium is bad for you!"

This isn't science. This a political ideological rant. You talk like 832F merely wandered a little bit out of the park to see a movie. This site is riddled with cranks who are actually cranky enough to believe they care about objective science. Wolves don't pose a threat to people? Last I checked ranchers trying not to go bankrupt are people. Their taxes help support the wolf repopulation program. The wolves were reintroduced to Yellowstone with the understanding the ranchers abutting the park would be protected if the program moderators could not keep their experiment inside the park. You know where else wolves are endangered? Central Park NYC.

I made my first Popsci account (plus a new email account) JUST to comment my opinion on Popular Science needing a new writer. The current writer is just way too unprofessional. I mean COMMON. Popsci, please do better.

This has to be one of the most biased, political, and downright offending articles I've ever read on popsci... SOMEONE remove this writer and get someone who is actually interested in science!

The author's anger comes from the fact that all this mess concerning wolves and how to deal with them IS JUST COMMON SENSE. And yet, despite common sense being public knowledge that everyone has access to, we still have large influential groups of people who'd rather shoot wolves than find ways to coexist with them.

We have still larger groups of people who seem to need re-taught the obvious benefits of minimizing the impact of human activities upon the natural world. Who despite having access to accurate information (which might lead to giving a shit) continue to take part in the product-driven consumer society that's wrecking Earth's ecosystems...

Cows are not native to North America. Americans wiped out the native species related to them, as well as passenger pigeons... dozens of others, hundreds even, and for what? Stupidity? Greed? The desire to kill things?

A great number of cattle ranchers graze their cattle on public land, administered by the Bureau of Land Management, at a price in 2012 of $1.35 per animal per month, the same level as it was in 2011. These ranchers shoot wolves on public and private land to protect profit they make off of OUR lands. Why in hell can't they earn less so we can have a healthier ecosystem? Would we pay more for beef if they promised to leave wolves alone?

Why do we have the need to dominate everything in nature? Why must we subject everything wild, natural and free to our will?

It honestly seems as if Mankind has set itself in opposition to the natural world.

*sorry for rambling*

pure trash. If I wanted my news/information to tell me how to think I would watch Fox News. Shame on you Dan.

I stopped skimming this article after I read the first two sentences of the first point. The profanity and other emotionally charged language is just a sign that the author has already determined where his article is going to end up before he's even written it. Not what I'd expect to see Popular Science publishing.

Shame's ass! The man's allowed to have his opinion! We're all allowed to agree or disagree. The only 'shame' should come from denying others the right to express themselves how they see fit. I don't feel at all like he's trying to force anyone to believe anything, he's just vociferously expressing his beliefs on the matter.

Freedom of the Press!

I created an account solely for the purpose of posting this comment so please hear me out. I'll be graduating this Saturday with a degree in Pre-Health Biology and then going on to pursue my doctorate and I actually used this article for one of my assignments in my Ecology class.

Dan, while your argument is perfectly valid, reasonable, and logically founded in scientific and ecological evidence, the delivery of your argument is distracting to say the least. Your emphatic use of "goddamn", your finger pointing, and profiling an entire state as "lunatics" is an embarrassment to the scientific community. Those things do nothing to help get your point across. What they actually do is undermine your entire argument by making you seem just as capable of lunacy as those people you lament.

It is truly a shame. You could have taken the time to properly educate people on these issues. Instead, you chose to write what appears to be a drunken rant. You should be ashamed. I hope you look back at this with compunction and next time instead of ranting, use solid scientific evidence instead of curse words to make your point.

Oh and I forgot to mention, I wholeheartedly agree with your argument. This is just not the way to present it.

I'm with chubbar3, I created an account just to comment on this article too.
Dan, you have some good points but this is just shameful. I'm a conservation ecology student, I love Yellowstone, I love wolves, I love nature and all that jazz. But this article is so horribly biased it is an embarrassment to PopSci, they have lost most of their credibility to me just by putting their name on this.
Like any part of ecology, there are multiple parts to any issue. This article does no justice to the complexity of the ecology of wolves.
Have a real expert write this article next time, not some "lunatic" on a rant.

I am a hunter here in upper Michigan and we do have a problem with wolves. They have destroyed the deer population in areas. This makes hunters upset if they pay for a tag and don't fill it. All we need is population control of the wolves. Give the hunters and the rancher's what they want which is a small season to hunt wolves. I coyote hunt now and would consider wolf hunting. Now this doesn't make me a serial killer and I don't need to quench any blood thirst, I hunt because I enjoy the challenge and I enjoy the woods, I also make some money off selling the furs. Now some may argue that I kill animals for fun and unless you're a hunter I will proably never get you to see my side so I won't go there. I just think with proper game management everyone should win. And for the arguement that wolves rarely attack livestock, tell that to a rancher who has lost animals to wolves. It's easy to have an opinion when you look at wolf cubs and they're all cute and cuddly and the data supports you, but its another thing when they directly effect you.

Next thing ya know the timber ranchers will want public compensation for the pine beetle menace!

It's EVERYONES' LAND! They're making a profit off of OUR resources, WE should get the say in how they get to go about doing it.

They should suck up the loss to their herds, which is minuscule, in favor of a healthier, more balanced, natural ecosystem.

And as for the way the writer 'presented' his opinion and the reasonings behind it; the PUBLIC has been educated on these issues for decades. We don't need re-educated 'nicely' and with 'decorum', we need fucking slapped in the mouth for how we treat the world we ARE a part of, whether we like it or not.

Several years ago I had an encounter with a Mountain Lion (Cougar) while spending some time in the mountains of Utah. It nearly attacked me, but I feel the only reason it didn't was because I stood my ground. After about 3-4 minutes of staring each other down the lion finally walked away (but still hissing and growling).

I am more afraid of wolves than I am of Mountain Lions. I will never walk around in the mountains again without a sidearm. Enough said.

I also totally agree with being armed when out in the wilds. No person should be denied the right or the tool to adequately defend themselves.

Humans are more threatening to humans than any other living organism. Why don't we pass some laws to keep their numbers in check?

I am glad this commenting group cannot go hunting 'Dans'.

I like Dan, PoPSCi and the preservation of wolves, coyotes, dogs and well animals alike.

Extremely poor biased article for a Science magazine. More political opinion BS than anything and Pop Sci published this?? Wow, that is really to bad to say the least. Dan N. needs some lessons in facts and fact checking. If the animal rights activist are willing to pay for each head of cattle that is taken by a wild predator instead of pay people to write BS and try push BS animal rights legislation...go ahead and put your money where your big mouth is. The simple reason there are less attacks is because there is a small populations (wolfs for this example), as the population and interaction grows so do the attacks. Yeah a border collie will not protect your heard sorry Dan. Dogs in ancient cultures helped protect to some point, but mankind was not ranching and managing thousands acres and cattle at a time. There is a reason we can feed 5 billion and it is not due to your methods Dan.

I'm sorry but I really don't respect a writer for a scientific posting magazine who writes stories like this. If you have an issue with this program or state regulation then tell us about it using straight facts and regulations. Don't get all emotional and start throwing numbers and insults out that have not been checked. After reading the article the first time I went to the State Conservation Website and checked your numbers. They are off by quite a bit, also I checked and found a different correlation in nationally surveyed stock animal deaths when it comes to wolfs being the main suspect (many times the suspect of the death is unknown due to not enough evidence to positively identify the attacker even if activity or sighting shows wolves in the area). I am an Alaskan who enjoys hunting and fishing, we have programs in Alaska to manage wolves as we have 12 or more packs (not mating pairs but packs ranging from 3-13 animals living in Anchorage municipality area and surrounding areas alone) So we need to manage the wolves due to them coming into urban residential areas and attacking dogs and other animals to include the rare human attack..And in answer to your post about getting a dog: wolfs do not fear dogs as they see them as weak with no pack for support, they become uncomfortable because where there is dogs there is humans, but they have no issue killing a dog to eat it. I agree with a few of your points in this article but your insults and emotions have ruined it and turned many including myself away from the main problem here. Wolves in the western part of the US have ripped through deer and elk populations like crazy, why? Because the wolf has been eradicated from the lower 48 states for some period of time, deer and elk have lost the fear and strategies to defeat and escape the wolf packs. Because of this the populations have declined so much that hunters and even conservation agents are now worried about the effects of the wolves. With deer and elk populations being ravaged and wolves having large litters of pups due to the abundance of food right now.. What is going to happen when that abundance is over? Well we are now experiencing that, with the abundance of deer and elk gone the wolves are turning to stock animals to fill that lost food resource. Now we have not only the hunters worried and mad, but the farmers and ranchers who's lively hoods rest on those animals that the wolves are now targeting as they are slower and can't really go far due to fencing and corralling. I have family that are ranchers and they initially liked the idea of wolf reintegration in the area due to overpopulation of deer. Now that has changed, the packs have eliminated the overpopulation problem and the deer are now fewer and more spread out making kills harder for the packs. So they have turned to stock to fill that niche food resource, my family has lost 29 cattle this year from confirmed wolf kills and 7 cattle from unconfirmed but suspected wolf kills this year. Why? The wolves were brought in and released with limited oversight, allowing them to expand rapidly due to the vast food resources of deer and elk. The program should have been more controlled so as to not have this issue, but now it is too late and the States have to do something about it before it gets anymore out of control. So please, before you post a story like this... get the facts straight and delivery them with professionalism. People will respect and understand your story/view much better this way instead of a verbal insulting rant with limited facts.

RJK

Dan N. go stand next to a wild wolf and see how timid they are, Timothy Treadwell "Grizzly Man" thought it was a good idea to interact with grizzly bears (just another actor who wanted attention), even after being told to quit...so not only he was eaten, so was his girlfriend. Game and Fish should have had him arrested, for endangering all of us. Two less stupid people on the planet.

Wow. Popsci needs to do a better job at monitoring what gets put on their site.

Regardless of any merit in the points the author might have made, there's no way this unprofessional rant should have been allowed to be published as a science article.

To all the pussy whiners who were "offended" by this article, grow a back bone. The writer is simply bad. He had great facts to backup his concerns and they got lost in his...wait for it...bad writing. The science is there, wolves don't account for a great enough threat financially or safety wise to warrant killing them.

And to all the morons who call them "animals" and don't seem to have a basic understanding how the eco-system works, go read a book. Do some internet research or talk to a 6th grader and learn how important "animals" and "bugs" and "air" and "food" are to your basic health and well-being. Bees are "just bugs" which account for trillions of dollars of pollination of plants if we were to do their job for them, which we might because our actions are killing them all off.

I'm tired of paying more money in the long run because idiots refuse to be educated. Science good, dumb people bad.

P.S. I'm a coastal liver (both east and west) and lived in Wyoming for a season. The people I met were surprisingly moderate, even in the tiny population size 50 towns.

There are too many folks around that enjoy killing. Even "culling" is wrong. Let nature balance itself. We are not smart enough to manage complex ecosystems anyhow. Where wildlife encroaches on our civilization in harmful ways, we must develop technology to prevent that interaction.

Hopefully someday there will be "robowolves" in the forests to cull the hunters. Not to get rid of them entirely but keep them down to a managable level.

Thanks for the passionate article, Dan!

I almost didn't read this article, because I love wolves, and was afraid it might be graphic. Regardless of any significant merit in the points this author made, there's no way this sophomoric rant should have been allowed to be published. It will do more harm than good.
As soon as he swore, used the word murder and called on entire state lunatic, he LOST the very audience he needs to persuade. What a shame. Because his facts are good. His premise is good, and his intentions are good.
The article could have stood on those alone. And if it had, some of those Wyoming hunters might have put down their dang guns.

And yes my boys hunt.... but only for what they will eat. We fish as well.

It's really sad, in my opinion, that so many people think expressing anger is the wrong way to address this situation.

As someone who actually lives in Wyoming, I find this article extremely offensive.

This has been a big problem for some ranchers. The worse part was that the same pack of wolves would just keep coming back for a free lunch leaving the ranchers no legal means to protect their cattle. To do so would mean killing an "endagered species" and breaking the law.

And why is all this hate placed only on Wyoming. Wyoming is the last state in the northern Rocky Mountains to have wolves removed from the endangered species list.

What is such an insanely biased and offensive article is doing on this site in the first place?

This sort of biased writing lowers the standards of PopSci.
$3.6 million dollars is only a drop in the bucket when it is someone else's money. Insulting an entire demographic that you disagree with isn't science. It is not even politics... it's bigotry. Why was this article published on PopSci?

Ok, so if this idiot actually wanted to be believable, he should have used less foul language and name calling, and more logical, reasonable debate. Seriously, is he an 8th grader? I love wolves, think they're an awesome animal, but this guy hurts his own argument. In some areas, wolves aren't a problem, but in other areas they are. Wolf populations need to be managed carefully, ad it's sad that this one got shot, but you can make a logical argument without making yourself look like an idiot. I tend to believe someone knows that their argument is flawed when they resort to swearing and name calling.

This webpage has become completely unprofessional. I just canceled my written subscription.

Mmmm, I feel it is time for a blogger intervention, lol. However, that would just cause more whining...

How does Dan Nosowitz still have a job?
I am thoroughly disappointed that PopSci hasn't fired him yet.
Everything he writes attracts so much backlash from the readers of PopSci, and deservingly so.
His writing is always filled with offending emotionally-charged subjective sentimentality.
How can PopSci sit back and let Dan Nosowitz call Wyoming a lunatic state?
That kind of writing is completely unprofessional and it is costing PopSci the respect of its readers and the scientific community as a whole.

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If that cartoon is anything like a coyote, watch out around here. This crowd is angry and hunting!!!!

Here is one article of many describing why the Grey Wolf has been delisted. I came back and sen more posts of people talking and not caring about actual facts of the case. One can even do a qiuck search on google and find all kinds of papers on the subject. Enjoy the reading as there is alot of links to other papers and information guides. You can also check the current minimum status checks done this year onthe US Conservation website for current statistics. Hope this helps a little to fix this piece.

www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/pressrel/2012/08312012_Wyoming_Wolf.html

RJK

Wow, Popsci, fire this idiot before he infects the rest of the real scientific community.

I was taken aback by the title of this article. I'm embarrassed to say that I read this website. The tone of this article is comparable to the rants of the late Timothy Treadwell seen in Grizzly Man.

Letting this semi-literate English major use Popular Science as his personal Eco-fascist rant rag is disgraceful. Shame on the publisher. This shows that PopSci is no longer about science. It's about Eco-extremism. Calling people who disagree with you anti-scientific lunatics is a really uninformed point of view. I detest what you have done to a once fine popular science magazine. Shame on you.

Go get a job on a Mother Jones or Mother Earth News Nosowitz. We want our science magazine back.

Personally, I found his ranting quite entertaining.

This is by no means well written, and this style of opinionated journalism should be limited to a couple of articles every once and a while (for the sake of satire for the readers). However, I find it interesting why people are so surprised by this. PopSci isn't a scientific journal, and its writers aren't necessarily professionals in the subjects they write about, so it is a little surprising to me why people seem to hold PopSci articles with such high regard.

The author was well aware of his tone when writing this article, and I am sure it was intentional. Sometimes these articles are needed to provoke comments and visitors to the site.

As for the wolves. Please don't shoot them unless it is absolutely necessary.

*peer reviewed scientific journal

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I find this to be one of the most poorly written article ever published by a scientific magazine.

For one the vocabulary used is not worthy of any sort of publication what so ever. At least sound educated when you completely attack a topic that is so controversial as this topic.

Second of all at least get your damn facts right. No fatal attacks of wolves on humans since 1995? WRONG! There have been two confirmed, one in Ontario and one in Alaska. (

I find this to be one of the most poorly written article ever published by a scientific magazine.

For one the vocabulary used is not worthy of any sort of publication what so ever. At least sound educated when you completely attack a topic that is so controversial as this topic.

Second of all at least get your damn facts right. No fatal attacks of wolves on humans since 1995? WRONG! There have been two confirmed, one in Ontario and one in Alaska. (its on msnbc.com article is called fatal wolf attack unnerves alaskan village) Here is the link that mentions both if you are going to question my facts.

Wolves do not have a severe impact on local wildlife? Look at the success rates of elk in the rocky mountain areas where wolves are present. This does not only affect the wildlife but it affects the local businesses who rely on the money from hunters to keep their shops open and running.

Livestock damages? here is a link that costed a rancher years and years of breeding due to the ravage of wolves.(Wolves Kill 120 Sheep at Ranch near Dillon."Helena Independent Record )

I may not be a fan of wolves what so ever but at least I know my facts on damages that wolves do. Sure they may cull the heard but they also take out the young and the healthy. And where is your rant on what wolves do in the great lakes region? they are there too and doing damage as well.

The only way to manage a wolf population is with hunting them because they have no natural predators. And the reason an animal is put on to the Endangered Species list is so that they can be brought up to a stable population so they can be de-listed and hunted once again.

Criticize me if you want but at least i have my facts backed up. My rant is over on this disgrace of a an article published by a scientific magazine. (I have lost nearly all respect for PopSci)

@ shutterpod,
Not that I am concerned, but is that a swastika in the centre of your logo? If so Dan Nosowitz probably likes you particularly well.

LOL ^^^ nice name.
You'd think your whole family must have been eaten by a pack of wolves! Any other animals that you hate so vehemently?

You do make a good point though. That's my beef with culling and wildlife "management". It mostly is only there for the benefit of hunters and that whole industry. The very people engaged on the front lines of preservation are the ones that enjoy killing animals.

Killing wolves is not much different than killing sharks. You have a rare attack that folks use to justify the killing of millions of animals. It's been like that for centuries.

You want to be a real hunter. Go out with a knife and give the animal a chance. Anything other than that just makes you a coward on a power trip, that likes to kill things with no risk to yourself.

Odds are you have never hunted in your life. I do not simply hunt to kill. Hunting is a 365 day a year passion. I scout intensively doing research on animal patterns and put in food plots to supplement the health of the deer heard.

I get just as much enjoyment out of sitting in the tree observing animal behavior and learning from it. Sure its nice when hard work pays off and you harvest a trophy you have been after for months waiting for the encounter of inside 20 yards and placing the shot perfectly with a bow and arrow. So for all of you people who do not hunt and make generalizations about hunters and think its all about "murdering" animals, its not. One of the most biased and uneducated things you can about hunters.

God bless ALL the writers of PoPSCi and other workers in the background too. God bless their families and friends!

Merry Almost Christmas!

Perhaps for Christmas you can reprieve and forgive some peoples you have blocked in the past with the up and coming New Year?

December 21st is not a day of gloom for the Mayan Calendar.
This culture make a calander and plans with a 5,126 year count.
I am sure the Mayans would of celebrated that day in preparation of the new
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Be optimistic! Be Happy!

We celebrate Christmas Eve in preparation of our savior being born the next day!

Thank you God and Thank you Jesus and Thank you Holy Spirit too!

lanredneck

from Northfield, Vt

Wow this articels is terrible, and I don't mind the topic. If this author feels that the management plan of wolves is wrong, fine cool i'll listen but check the emotions at the door and bring your facts. Look all management of wildlife is critical. Becasue we are the dominant species on this planet and we use almost all of the natural reasources out there we impact the wildlife whether we want to or not. Case in point. Pennsylvania had a deer herd issue. It was huge and deer were being starved and crops being damaged due to these large herds. Not due to low predator levels, but because we had turned 100's of thousands of acres in to farm land with abundant food, so the deer herds met that abundant food source. But in between crops like in the winter a lot died off due to low resources in the woods. The PA game commision did everything but intiate a "brown its down" management system to reduce the herd. They have been and are continuing to kill 100's of thousands of deer a year and yet the herd is maintaining. Wildlife management is humans perogative, because we are the at the top of the food chain. If you disagree bring your facts, not your emotions.

If you're going to make a point, you do it through reason and logic, particularly when your platform is a scientific magazine. I'm not against interjecting your personality into an article; using words like a rapier to poke holes in your opponent's position works great when your clever and insightful. The author used words like a club, swinging and throwing them about with all the skill of a toddler.

I would expect this to be in the editorial section of the Huffington Post. I can't take this level of juvenile editorializing any more. I'm going to the Scientific American for my science updates.

Deuces Popsci.

WOW!! Why is Dan Nosowitz still working for popsci?
iambronco said it best, read his comment. I'm speechless.
I think I will dolike lobe9485 suggested and check Scientific American for my science news. Popsci is becoming a horrible joke. Dan Nosowitz has got to go!
bye!

I wish the Whiners on this blog would write an intelligently well written article back by facts and then allow the world to tear it apart and themselves too.

LOL!

What is this asinine crap about a wolf "needing a predator because it has no natural one"?

An apex predator needs no predator because it must control its own population. That's the definition of the term. Because wolves have no usual natural predator they reserve territories, exclude other wolves from them, and restrict their breeding to a single pair in the pack.

That makes adding an artificial predator - sport hunters - not only something unnecessary, but something inevitably disruptive and destructive both to wolves and their ability to restrict their own numbers. A wolf pack adds a member, it reduces its reproduction rate. A sport hunter or idiot poacher shoots one at random, they increase the reproduction rate of litters per adult wolf, almost certainly.

Ironically the best control method for wolf populations is to leave their packs alone to grow.

A smaller pack and they can no longer protect as large a territory. Remove two wolves from a pack, and you free territory for two wolves to start a new pack, and double the birth rate for wolves in what is now the territory of two packs.

Mr. Nosowitz's science credentials? An English degree from a second rate college. Science careers? Writing on the internet.

Even with an English degreee, be begins a sentence with a conjunction.

Worst of all, he rants against shooting coyotes. Invasive, destructive, and environmentally destructive coyotes.

Now, complaining that a managed wolf population is vulnerable because they have difficulty not straying beyond the confines of the park is legitmate.

Complaining that wolves in Alaska are shot from planes (I doubt the wolves care about the origens of the shot) where their populations are healthy, complaining that $3mil is not much money (is he willing to pay the farmers), and using false statistics.

It doesn't matter how few people are murderers, it matters if that person with you is one. It does not matter how many more cattle are killed by coyote, it matters what is actually out killing your cattle at that moment.

There may be some laws that need changing, some policies that need adjusting, and technologies to keep the wolves in the parks that need to be implimented. Ranting like a liberal wackjob, however, is beneath this publication.

I would suggest that Mr. Norowitz be given a firm talking to about what is appropriate for future articles.

In the mean time, I'm off to Wyoming to do some wolf hunting on the Yellowstone boarder. If Mr. Norowitz is willing to pay me $3mil, I will call off my trip.

I generally stay away from commenting, but this man needs to be fired. This is one of the most unprofessional articles I have read on this website. After seeing multiple articles like this, though not to this extent, I have completely lost faith in this magazine.

To all you idiots, and i say idiots because I have freedom of speech, that are complaining about Dan writing the article with his personal opinion and feelings, Grow up! Our ancestors fought wars, millions of deaths so we could have freedom of press, religion, and so on, now so many people complain, oh no he shouldn't say that, the government needs to do something about this and that and blah.. Yes blah, that how intelligent you are. Stop attacking our god given rights before we loose them and become peasants in a communist regime. He is in tilled to his opinion, and i for one, and glad Pop Sci respects his rights and supported him. Everyone on here quoting there education, who cares, you cant respect a opinion based on facts. And to the person who wrote his facts were wrong, re-look at your information, their are different breeds of wolves. Took me 2 secs to research your comment and find you did put little thought behind it.

jwjknorr,
You sir are on my Christmas list!!!

lanredneck

from Northfield, Vt

@jwjknorr
We aren't attacking his right to speech jsut saying do it else where. Where facts don't matter and emotions rule every sentence. Places like PETA's website. This type of article does not belong here but else where.

Dan has already used this FB page to wage his Wikipedia wars. Is he being paid for this gig? Because he's totally unprofessional.

Please people, learn about ecosystems. And realize that we take over entire areas where animals used to live and push them out so that we can have a lawn, and a house, and roads to get us around. Those things don't mean anything to animals. They are trying to survive in the face of humans destroying most of the habitable land for wildlife. WE are the overpopulation. It took us a long time to realize that wolves were necessary in Yellowstone. How long will it take before we need a natural predator to balance out our population?

I'm from Idaho, I was just looking over the most recent estimates and it looks like we have the most wolves in the area, the estimate puts it close to 800.

So..if we think the best way to control wolf population is to let their population go up until the land can no longer support it, doesn't that just mean that they will consume most of the deer in their territory? When the deer are gone do we really think that the wolves will not be going after livestock even more?

Either way, one more completely absurd article like this from Dan or anyone else on Popsci, and I'll be taking my readership elsewhere. This isn't the only place to find interesting science news.

Here we go with the caveman comments, and labeling everyone who opposes pointless slaughter of wolves as "liberals".

Yes the author is emotional about the topic because it's alarming and sad. Are "hunters" so clueless? Animals have instincts, fear, emotion. A dog has love, loyalty and compassion. Is a wolf much different from a dog, in its wild way?

It takes a certain kind of person to shoot an animal like the wolf. The same drooling, kill thirsty, trigger happy savages as some murderers and violent criminals turn out to be.

Wolves are majestic animals. Killing them "legally" in the U.S. or anywhere makes me disgusted, just as the poachers who kill elephants for their tusks to be sold in Chinese markets... or poachers who kill endangered species. It's all the same.

Overpopulation of the food source is what creates over population of the predator. It's not the animals fault. Stop shooting wolves.

lanredneck

from Northfield, Vt

@LogicIsNotForAll
"It takes a certain kind of person to shoot an animal like the wolf. The same drooling, kill thirsty, trigger happy savages as some murderers and violent criminals turn out to be."

are Veternarians "drooling, kill thirsty, trigger happy savages", how about some of those people in Alaska, Canada who own dogs for snow sleds? Just curious.

@LogicIsNotForAll

That's the spirit! You're sure to get the 20-40 million hunters in the United States on your side painting such a respectful caricature of them. I mean, why wouldn't they sit down and listen to your point of view? You seem so agreeable...

Where to begin on this childish article is hard to say. Having just read the actual scientist testimony during the Wyoming delisting process I have to wonder if the person writing this article has bothered to read one science report on wolves any time in her life.

Let's stick with the facts shall we. When it comes to Wolves emotional outburst seemed to cloud over actual science and facts.

Dr. L David Mech had this to say about the delisting. He is considered one of the top Wolf biologist in America.
In any case, the number of wolves projected to be killed under state management should not jeopardize the viability of the NRM wolf population. Every year, most wolf populations almost double in the spring through the birth of pups (average = 6/litter [Mech 1970]; most packs produce a single litter, but several YNP packs produce 2 or 3 litters per pack).
Wolf population estimates are usually made in winter when the population is at the annual nadir. This approach serves to provide conservative estimates and further ensure that management remains conservative. As indicated above, 28-50% of a wolf population must be killed by humans per year.

Why would the top wolf expert in America use the words MUST BE KILLED BY HUMANS PER YEAR?
I think it's high time we allow the experts scientist to allow proper Wolf management. We've been hearing from the crybaby paranoid tinfoil hat wearing lunatics long enough. It's time to put the emotional outburst aside and deal with reality. This lady has no rational science reality or facts. Just a high strung woman crying about wolves.

If the lead biologist for wolves in the United States says we can take out 50% of a given population each and every single year it’s high time we listen to the experts. Time to stop allowing emotional intoxicated urbanites to set wildlife policy.

LOL @ swastika

No, it's actually the Hebrew name of God, YHWH or HWHY, with the Y at the top, an H at 3 and 9, and the W at the 6. Funny thing though, God's name is apparently the causative form of the verb meaning 'to be', while the word "swastika" comes from the Sanskrit svastika - "su" meaning "good," "asti" meaning "to be," and "ka" as a suffix.

Learn something new every day.

Dan - Nice article to raise awareness. Sorry some of these people can't see past the emotional rhetoric and hear the important message.

From Dan Nosowitz ‏Twitter account:
@dannosowitz
@JohnKline_ i have blackmailed all of the editors, they are powerless now

Now I see how this got published on the website...

tell PopSci to fire this guy. Start a twitter account if you don't have one and tweet "@popsci #fire @dannosowitz". Or just make him print an apology to hunters like me.

As much as I agree with Nosowitz, I agree with some of the other commentators that emotional outbursts are not exactly the most, well, efficient and "diplomatic" of ways to convey a message. Being loud doesn't necessarily make one right, but it can make someone seem annoying and repulsive. No offense to anyone.
This is an opportunity to speculate on Nosowitz's motivations. Why is he care for wildlife so much? Did 'something' happen to him in the past? If so, what?

hithere22,
I so appreciate your comment. Take care. ;)

farmers don't get compensation for wolf kills on their animals?

found reference here that farmers are paid compensaton for wolf kills perc.org/articles/who-pays-wolves

www.northernrockieswolves.org/wyoming/ranching.html

it seems to be a private fund for wolf kills compensation

99

Hi Dan,
Sorry for the wasted 99 comment, It just fun to be 100, you are an associated editor and there is some else in charge. I wonder if all the whiners do realize as they attack you so harshly they might find their login later to no longer work..... Now wouldn't that be funny.

Therefore, to all the other that complain harshly, this is not their house with food for thought them.

Goodnight and I wish all GOD BLESS! ;)

Wow Dan Nosowitz, way to preserve your credibility. Nothing like an emotional, profanity laced rant to really assert yourself as an un-biased member of the scientific community. Regardless of the facts (which may or may not be true, easy to bend numbers if you're this emotional), there's no reason for something like this on POPSCI. Article about ecosystems? Yes. Article about hunting laws? Maybe. Rant over the death of a wolf? NO. I seem to recall POPSCI once saying in a letter from the editor that they were a science magazine and wouldn't get involved with politics...guess that changed. I'll keep reading, because I love technology, but my opinion of this magazine and especially this author have dropped by a lot.

What is this shitty article... Seriously...????? So much rage and vulgar language, which I found offensive. This is supposed to be a scientific journal? Did you even bother to go out and interview any of the cattle farmers? Of course they are going to defend their cattle. You make it sound like it's only wolves, but believe me they DO shoot lots of coyotes and other wild animals if they threaten their livestock. Humans have been doing this for hundreds of years. You're stupid reason #1 really is a stupid reason, cause you took no time at all to tell us any useful information.

Wow, PopSci, you've called opinion science now. I used to love your magazine for it's unbiased reporting of new technology and science. Now, you've just become another liberal rag with useless pseudo scientists writing columns apparently. Your level of integrity has left a lot to be desired. Therefore, unfortunately, I must quit reading your opinion based web page.

@Robot Thank you, Merry Christmas, Ill want a 1 year pop sci subscription and a life time to direct emails written by Dan

I feel the need to continue with my opinion because some are asking for dan to be fired. I think it is brave, and a good thing, of popsci to allow dan to post this article. It is nice to see someone put feeling into a article. Yes sometimes it is not political correct, but come on people, the best and most powerful articles, come from those who express their feelings to the fullest. He has freedom of the press, and clearly popsci agrees with him. His article still had facts in it and i think was very well written. To ask for him to be fired, proves how lowly of a person you are. You dont agree on his writing style, or his opinion, so you ask for him to be fired? The man has talent for one. If you dont see that it is your opinion, as i have expressed mine. The second thing, really during the holidays of all times your going to try to get a man, who may have a family , and even if he dosent, may have his lively hood ruined,how heartless are you? How would you feel if your , or better yet your children or wife, was fired, because they worked at a place, where the company was in a position to make a impact on a topic that they really believed in. Freedom of Speech, it is what lets me write this about you, and it is what lets Dan write his article. If you want your right taken away, Cuba is a Hop, jump, and skip away from Florida. I'm sure the leaders there would love to add you to their ranks. Oh, and if you do that, make sure you tell them your originally from the united state, im sure they will treat you real nice. Im so disgusted at the loss of the human spirit. We have been spoiled so much, and people have become so laxed, that they agree with, and let our country continue to put restriction on us. Citing the need of the people asking for. As i stated earlier, millions of people have died for our God given rights, and because of the few, such as terrorist actions, we have public out cry for the Government, as if they can cure everything, to do something. So in return , each time , we loose more and more of our rights. Take for instance gun laws, a few people, and i say few because if you look at the country as a whole it is not that large, are killed in violent crimes, and instead of dealing with the cause, the people ask the government DO MORE THIS CANT EVER HAPPEN. Come on people, it is normally illegal guns used in killings, and yet they ask everyone to hand there guns over. I believe it is the soul duty of the gun owner to make sure the gun is kept safely, but should be allowed to protect his family, in the time of need, provided, Ie hunt, only necessary food like the Indians did, to provide for their family, and the greatest reason , and the reason any government fears the most, if corruption enters the government, and every great government though history has fallen do to this, provides a way to control the people, with out a way for them to stand up. I am not saying this is a problem now, but that right is revoked, if it does happen, in say 500 years, we are defenseless. So many things are wrong with this country , but it should not be the governments responsibility but our own, to get back on topic, for us to stand up for what is good for the world as a whole and do the write thing, such as learning about certain wolf populations, and acting with respect to nature. If your starving, or have to hunt for food and live day to day without a meal, and i put a juicy hamburger in front of you, are you going to eat it? Same reaction from these wolves. The best way is to learn to live with nature, and develop new technology that discourages the animals for killing live stock. Lets use our brains. Hunters should hunt I agree. But were smart enough to know what needs to be hunted, and hunt only with in reason. Not kill creatures for no reasons, especially those that are endangered.

@Logic rule

Written with opinion , yes, based on fact, with some science meaning yes. Important for people to know, Hell yes, only those educated with proper knowledge, can change the world.

We are not caveman, hunting is in our nature, it is important to maintain, it is apart of us, all that is asked, is that it is done with respect to nature.

If your a religious person, God calls us to be good Shepard to our planet.

If your not, common sense still says, if we try to control the complete food chain, sooner or later, all ford sources will go extinct. Beyond that, nature is a beauty, and based on science, with what we know, our plant is rare, and took billions of year to evolve, it is the only known planet with live, if it is rare as many believe, it should be maintained, and respected. We humans have grown past the population norm, in order to live within nature, but we are smart enough to see what we are doing and outside of nature doing our best to correct our mistakes, and have respect. We only have one blue marble! Many people may not care what happens in the future, its not their problem they may think, i say do you care about your family, what will your future generations inherit, a Brilliant, full of life planet, or a planet of filth with only live stock, but barely, or none, everything artificial and just some text in a book or on screen hinting at a time that once was.

@ Biscuits

You my friend need to realize, that even though a few cattle may die from this breed of wolf, and i say very few, and the farmer may suffer a little, it is for the greater good of the world to let these creature flourish. Their is a future, that is more important, then one mans cattle. Im sure their are ways to prevent the wolf from going on to his land, and we have eyes to see what the animal is. Is the instance sited, the wolf was not even a treat, but a target for a uninformed person. Lets not rant on the fact that Dan stated his opinion, but grow from the knowledge, and inform others.

I apologize to everyone. Being very passionate about the subject, and worried about what world my kids will inherit, i have inadvertently look past, and respected, other peoples opinions.

@ the Editor, Dan

I Hope you read this.

There are many who feel this topic, written in this format does not belong on popsci in this manor. I see Popsci as a media for expressing information in all formats, including opinion papers. In order to make these people happy, can you please add to your paper in the beginning expressing that this is a opinion paper, written with factual knowledge, and that emotions are involved. I hope this will stop the witch hunt for you job. I, my self, respect your as a editor and wish i had your skills. I enjoy your articles and your style of writing. Personally, I able to read a paper, and know what kind of paper it is, and respect it in that manor. Some others have come to expect otherwise, which is a shame, because we are all people with opinions and feelings, and the best people at doing certain things, or causing change, are those who have a strong feeling and passion for it. I hope you make a difference!

Thank you, and God bless, May everyone have a great Christmas, and all of us, for at least a short time, love and respect one another.

Really professional writing. Why would the editors let this type of writing be associated with this magazine?

@jwjknorr

Yes, there is a future, and yes it is more important than one mans tribulations.
However, the real future that is endangered, is the future of a respectable and reputable popular science magazine.
A popular science magazine that attempts to avoid political agendas, and a popular science magazine that values unbiased, fact-based, objective journalism about science and technology. A popular science magazine that does not serve as a platform for individuals to ostracize entire states, and belittle points of view and lifestyles they do not fully appreciate/understand.
This future is endangered by Dan Nosowitz substantially more than the future of wolves is endangered by hunters and ranchers.
So sometimes it is necessary for one man to lose his job to preserve this future.

jwjknorr,
For Christmas I am going to send you some paragraphs and indentations, lol.

Take care and Merry Christmas again! ;)

This is the kind of junk that has caused me to not watch any kind of network news channel. Too much bias towards a persons personal feelings and senseless attacks on other for things one doesn't understand. I come to PopSci (and PopMech) because I expect an unbiased professional article to read. This here is something I would expect to see in a high school newspaper written by a stoner treehugger (I grew up in California, I know how they write about "environmental issues"). This kind of article doesn't belong on PopSci, it belongs in the trash.
PS - I do like the fact that you made no mention of other states that have started allowing hunting of Wolves, and are really only pissed off about this one wolf being shot.

This article seems less of an attempt to inform those that don't know and more of a high five for the like-minded. Why should anyone listen to Dan when he lacks the intellect and maturity to express himself without resorting to expletives and name calling? Anyone sitting on the fence was most likely pushed to the other side.

democedes, you hit the nail on the head there.

I too am from Idaho. I go to YNP annually. I have never seen a wolf there. They are very reclusive animals. I used to see hundreds of Elk there every trip. This year, we saw one Elk. Just one! Wolf packs in YNP are twice the size of a normal pack. What you don't hear about is how the elk heards have been decimated by them. Such large packs don't have to just prey on the weak or old elk. They are taking down elk that are healthy also. Hunters here don't hunt elk for fun, they hunt them for food. They are not maniacs as the article suggests.

What kind of stupid logic is it that just because wolf kills of livestock are only a fraction of other losses that it doesn't matter to the ranchers. That is like saying it doesn't matter that I get robbed on the street because someone else is already stealling directly from my bank account. Over 3 Million in losses is significant, even if it is just a fraction of total losses.

I know its trendy to lament the poor wolves, but these animals are apex preditors. If left to themselves, they will continue to grow in number to the point that the deer, elk and moose herds would be destroyed. The elk herds already are being decimated in YNP. Once the natural prey of the wolves are gone, they will turn to livestock completly. The argument stated the article is that they only prey on the old and weak and actually help the herds stay healthy. That is valid to a point. So by the same logic, hunting wolves keeps down the population and also helps maintain the packs. If its good for the deer, elk and moose, its also good for the wolves.

Just because wolves remind us of dogs, doesn't mean they are dogs. Yes, they are beautiful, loyal, majestic etc. So what! They are apex preditors. They need to be managed just the same as other types of wildlife. So stop crying for the poor wolf. If you met a pack in the wild, and they were hungry, you would be dinner.

The amount of ignorance displayed in this comments section is astounding. And this is a science magazine website...
To the man from Phoenix with the coyote problem - I am not a wildlife biologist, but it is my understanding that coyotes abound when wolves are wiped out. Maybe your real problem is that all those Arizona cowboys wiped out your wolves. Believe it or not wolves do not come into town and pick up little girls and eat them. Wolves shy away from people - with good reason- coyotes don't.

Whatthe, "Wolf packs in YNP are twice the size of a normal pack."?

So, the wolf packs in YNP are reproducing at a rate of half what you consider normal? Only half as many litters/pups per adult are born?

And you blame their eating elk on this? What do you think they'll eat at Yellowstone, bunny rabbits? 832F regularly took down adult elk by herself.

Also, you don't seem to understand what "apex predator" means. You have it backwards. An apex predator normally does not have a predator controlling it, so it must control its own population and growth. That's Ecology 101. Part of that is growing a large pack under protection and increasing the number of non breeding animals, and using that size to protect a large territory and exclude other wolves. Sport hunting makes this impossible.

A sport hunt merely breaks up packs - as the Lamar canyon pack has dispersed. You kill two wolves in a sizable pack, and you provide empty places for pairs of wolves to form a new pack.

Doubles the reproduction rate in the same area, now shared by two packs, capiche?

ALRIGHT, BEINGS AS I AM A "LUNATIC" I WOULD LOVE TO TRANSPLANT SOME OF THESE "TIMID" CREATURES INTO CENTRAL PARK(IM SURE YOUR FROM NEW YORK OR SOME OTHER BLUE STATE) AND AS THEY ARE RIPPING YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS APART, TRY TO REALLY SEE HOW BEAUTIFUL THESE ANIMALS ARE. I HAVE FREQUENTED POPSCI SINCE I WAS YOUNG AND IT TRULY DISGUSTS ME WHEN I SEE SUCH A CONDISENDING ARTICLE. THE CHANCE OF YOU LOOKING AT THESE COMMENTS, I KNOW, IS INFANTECIMAL BEINGS AS YOU DONT SEEM TO CARE ABOUT THE SITE AND WHAT YOU PUBLISH. BUT IN THE UNLIKLEY CASE YOU FIND YOURSELF BETWEEN WRITING THESE ELEMENTARY LEVEL ARTICLES YOU WILL SEE THAT THE GENERAL CONCENSUS IS UTTER DISGUST WITH YOUR PIECE OF WORK.

normmackey, If a wolf pack is twice the size of a normal sized pack somewhere else, how would it only produce half as many pups. Your comment doesn't make sense.

Whatthe, packs of wolves usually only have one litter of pups per pack. Litter does not get bigger when nonbreeding members are added to the pack.

Pack of 10 has one litter per 10 adults, pack of 5 has one litter per 5 adult wolves, new pair has a litter per two wolves. At some point wolves in the pack overall are going to die from age and natural causes as fast as surviving pups can be generated. At that point the wolf has balanced its pack's size.

Hey Dan,
Maybe if you ask nicely the hunter who filled his/her legal tag with 832f would let you see the hide. I would bet its being proudly displayed on his/her wall. You might even want to go into busines with them--tickets to see 832f again, get your tickets here!
I'll bet the new alpha female is glad to see 832f gone. Probably howling "Party On" as i am writing this.

Dear Dan,
I am a 14 year old girl and I just wanted you to know, that I totally believe in what your saying. In your article you sounded very opinionated to this topic. A little suggestion, next time you want to persuade people, just stick to the facts. Or else people think your forcing ideas on them. When I hope all you really want to do is enlighten the world on this problem. Not justifying yourself.
Thank you though because I did find this article very formidable.

Did I read the header for this article correctly? I am far from being a maniac and resent some twinkie labeling hunters as insane. He should relax and have his husband make him a bowl of ice cream.

I really don't get all of the anger directed toward this writer. He has listed the facts and data, and they clearly show that Wyoming's wolf policy (as well as those of Montana and Idaho) are based on politics and special interest pandering rather than science. Indeed, by listing this data, he clearly dispels all of the myths and falsehoods that have been used to persecute wolves since medieval times and beyond.

Wolves are not decimating livestock or elk, as data clearly shows. Wolves are not attacking people, as data clearly shows. Yet state wildlife agencies, which have access to this data, continue to pander to all of the anti-wolf hysteria.

Wyoming's wolf "management" plan was rejected by USFWS in 2009 because it was seen as incapable of sustaining a viable wolf population in the state. This is a requirement of the Endangered Species Act, and Wyoming's plan falls woefully short. It allows wolves to be killed on sight in any manner (shooting, trapping, poisoning, gassing, any way anyone wants to) in 85% of the state, and this includes killing pups in their den. This is not an effective way of maintaining a viable wolf population, and it certainly is not based on science.

It is well known among those involved with this issue that Interior Secretary Ken Salazar met with Wyoming Governor Mead because WY Senator Barrasso was holding up Salazar's appointment for USFWS, Dan Ashe. In exchange for Ashe's appointment, Salazar agreed to approve WY's wolf management plan, which had been previoulsy rejected for all of the reasons above. Clearly politics and special interest pandering, not sound science, were behind ex-rancher Salazar's approval.

Also, when Montana Fish and Game decided earlier this year to extend its wolf hunting into wolf breeding season, to allow no quotas, and to allow trapping when it had not done any of this in the previous hunting season, they were no doubt influenced by a 50k "donation" from the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation.

Clearly it's time for state agencies to base wildlife management plans on sound science rather than special interest pandering and politics. We are losing enough wild diversity on our public lands without needlessly contributing to these losses by implementing these kinds of misguided management policies.

The absence of rational thinking among posters here is just appalling. The editorial was written with emotion, big surprise. Every comment from here from a hunter is likewise tainted.
Just for the record, you can deny that humans are animals but that doesn't change the fact that we are. We have a predilection for removing competitors for our resources, be they two-legged or four-legged. Most folks are one crisis situation (perceived or real) away from primal behavior. Some are still there, not having fully evolved or become civilized.

Even if you disagree with the author's premise, can you at least have the stones to admit you like the idea of shooting things? Leave it at that and let the World judge you without the veil of excuses.

From the looks of Dan Nosowitz's picture and absolutely brain-dead writing, I can make the educated guess that Dan has absolutely ZERO real experience with nature. Instead of parroting liberal environmentalist whacko drivel, try spending a few weeks under the stars before you write again about nature issues.

To those of us with real time spent in the wilderness, Dan speaks from zero experience and lacks any credibility whatsoever. You may get 10-year old city girls to feel sorry for the poor wolves, or whatever other celebrity cause of the day is, but you're not fooling anyone who has any real-world experience with wildlife management.

Popular Science should be ashamed of publishing crap like this- they need much more Science and less Pop bullcrap.

The author, I feel(and may be wrong)is attacking cattle farmers. This should NOT be the point. The author should have rather made the point of hunting wolves conversational. The problem isn't the cattle farmers protecting their cattle, but hunters going out and shooting them as sport.

I have always valued your magazine for its content, but this article is extreamly offensive in its content and there is no excuse for the verbal expressions of profanity used here. Any writer who has to use profanity whether right or wrong about the subject to express a thought is mentally challenged. I am doing some serious soul searching about canceling my subscription. I will also be sending E-Mail to advertizers in your magazine about this profane rant. I think all of you young editors have been educated with a liberal mind slant, and you don't realize that most of your readers don't share your view of the world.

STOP PRETENDING TO BE A SCIENCE WRITER YOU MANIAC!

There is nothing in this 'article' that mentions that wolves have killed over 90% of the moose in Wyoming. That's right, over 90%.

There is nothing in this 'article' that mentions that there are over 10 times as many wolves in the area as were planned when wolves were introduced. This is an experiment that has gone horribly wrong.

If this sort of hysteria is the new face of Popular Science, my many decades of subscribing to the magazine are over.

I'm new and what is this s—t?

After scanning all the comments above, that unscientific ''article'' was clearly intented to cause mixed feelings. I don't read popsci for this, after all this is much better on PETA.

It felt like some sort of propaganda:
Skewed stats: Check,
Lots of pictures: Check,
Little content: Check,
Expletives: Check...

That counts as a failed first impression.

I just joined popular science so I can comment on this article. First of all I am embarresed to have a subscription with popular science because of this article.. If I didn't like some of the info it puts out so well I would deffinatly drop my subscription.
Dan, You most definitely have had to much caffeine plus you are seriously confused. When was the last time you personally saw a wolf in the wild? (A national park isn't the wild) I have lived around wild wolfs. Wolfs are killing machines they kill for pleasure. They don't just kill the weak, Wolfs no longer have a place in our eco system. My dog was killed by a wolf, our horses were killed by wolfs and left to rot. What do you have to say about that? Talk to the Chignic Alaska teachers family. Just 3 short years ago a young full of life teacher lost her life to a wolf.. Look it up. It's a fact. This wolf wasn't rabid.
If biologists would be left alone so they could do there jobs biologicly we wouldn't be having this waist of time. But no.. It's you city slickers that have no understanding of the balance of Nature that are making them manage politicaly not biologicly. You said it your self. Let them use there resources, butt out.. You don't have a clue Dan. I still live in the wilderness, I live off the land and sea, I trap, I hunt, I fish, people like you do more damage than any hunter ever would.. West side of Kodiak Island Alaska is my home. Writers and photographers do more damage to Nature than hunters do! At least we have Respect for Nature and understand the balance of Nature..

I am amazed by the majority of the comments here. Sure the language was a bit over the top, but I find it justifiable and agree with the author. I don't see how people find this article factless, if you click on the links in the article, it leads you to the facts, duh? Lastly, some of you don't even know how to read. And don't believe "Spirit of Alaska", any person who has been with wolves knows he is spewing crap.

I don't know about the other states but I think regardless of where you live you can find what they are doing to the wolves to be... disgusting, I can't even think of a better term, sorry. 150 wolves will not keep ungulate populations in check, which is what Idaho wants as well as Wyoming it looks like. Living in Idaho I have never seen a wolf in my life even though I have never lived in a city, and just recently had a friend riding in a convertible who hit an elk. She got neck injuries but guess what happened to the elk that rolled over her back? It got right back up and ran off. Damn. Yeah, wolves are killing all the elk all right, just enough that they are still able to be hit by cars and hurt people just as much as wolves do (not that they do at all). I have 4 dogs, 4 cats, many domestic rats, guinea pigs, ferrets, and rabbits out in the barn. Wolves are none of my concern, especially to the rabbits, I'm more likely to lose them to raccoons, coyotes, rats, birds of prey, etc. Than I am wolves, yet I'm sure these lunatics will tell you otherwise, that wolves kill everything, and its only a matter of time. I just find it hilarious, how desperate these people are to brainwash other people, especially those who know better. I even raise puppies which coyotes and birds of prey are more of a threat to than wolves, which I have never had step foot on our property.

Anyway I could just write my own article about it, and I usually do, it is all ridiculous nonsense and myth thumping, absolutely no science involved as the writer says, our head Idaho Fish and Game commissioner believed in 2011 that there was 1,500 wolves when their own science said there was 700, and he calls the shots, remember. If he is using this number which he pulled out of his head to manage wolves, obviously it isn't good... 30 people went to that meeting pleading for them to stop the hunting or at least be smarter about it, and I heard the next day that they said we didn't know what we were talking about and were so "misinformed". 8 people know better than 30... Okay...

I am afraid for the future of wolves. At least we have plenty of them in zoos and more in Canada if we need to restore them again but the genetic diversity will suffer and they are just being slaughtered everywhere, even in Canada, it is just so sad, there is no safe place for wolves anymore, it is open season and their numbers are declining rapidly again because we STILL don't know any better, and that is most shameful. I am thankful for the few who are trying to restore damaged ecosystems in some areas at least, they give me hope. It will take something big though for everyone to finally open their eyes and care, and I'm surprised that hasn't come yet, so many big things have already and are already happening, I guess people prefer ignorant bliss? It has to affect them for them to care, and eventually it will. It already has for my friend.

Oh, I also have two horses, which cougars and bears are more of a threat to than wolves. I could just go on.

Please be cautious of "trollers" everyone. For example, "SPIRITOFALASKA" is most likely a troller due to the fact the username is spiritofalaska, there is a picture of a wolf as his username photo, and none of his facts are "facts."

@Wolfeh

--"Yeah, wolves are killing all the elk all right, just enough that they are still able to be hit by cars and hurt people just as much as wolves do (not that they do at all)."

That makes 0 sense.

--"I have 4 dogs, 4 cats, many domestic rats, guinea pigs, ferrets, and rabbits out in the barn. Wolves are none of my concern, especially to the rabbits, I'm more likely to lose them to raccoons, coyotes, rats, birds of prey, etc."

Spare us your personal anecdotes, they are as useless as the ones you criticize.

--"8 people know better than 30... Okay..."

Just because more people agree, does not make it correct, so give the condescending sarcasm a rest.

--"there is no safe place for wolves anymore"
--"and they are just being slaughtered everywhere"

Now who is "spewing crap?"

--"It will take something big though for everyone to finally open their eyes and care"
--"I guess people prefer ignorant bliss? "

You're clearly in a position to be calling others ignorant, yet another example of the complete lack of substance behind your argument, if you could call it that.

--"It has to affect them for them to care, and eventually it will."

It is affecting them, that's why they do it. Maybe if you share some of the compassion and understanding you have for wolves, with the people whose behavior you characterize as "disgusting" you would be able to develop some more useful opinions on the manner. Until then maybe you and Dan Nosowitz need to go on a date, so you can form more diatribes on other human beings whose behavior you haven't the slightest clue of understanding towards.

@RonPielep

Please observe subject A.

Wolves rotate ungulates and keep them away from highways, so yes, it makes perfect sense. In Oregon where there are very few wolves, mule deer are everywhere, especially on the highways in the desert. You are more likely to die by deer or elk than you are by wolves, that is a fact, these ungulates kill more people than wolves every year, and that is because there is no large predator such as wolves to keep their numbers down and instill some smarts and fear into them. With no wolves they will graze where they want to graze, even if that means on a highway for a month.

Please tell me Ron, where wolves are not being slaughtered. If you are referring to me using the term slaughter, I find it justifiable considering they are being killed in large numbers when compared to their total population number, I find it equivalent to slaughter, yes. I guess there are safe places for wolves, zoos and sanctuaries, not the wild, so I guess I was spewing crap there huh?

We are already helping the people who want and accept our help (though I'm sure this will go straight through you since I already suspect you are an anti-wolfer and could care less what I think or do), the fact is many ranchers don't, so no, I'm not going to help them since they whine and won't accept free help, and they will get no sympathy from me, they chose not to do anything and they suffer the consequences then pretend to be the victim. There are plenty of predator friendly ranches out there as well to look at, I suggest you do, they reap the profits that others choose to neglect due to their own selfish laziness. True stewards know better, such as myself, we do something when a predator takes stock, though some prefer lethal methods, there are non lethal too, and I prefer those methods unless the problem is out of control and I have no other choice but to use lethal force, but wolves have never gotten to that level, ever. I'm sure you don't raise animals yourself, Ron, and have no business defending these people who don't deserve to be in the business because they have never wanted to take proper care of their animals like a true steward does. A true steward sees a problem and fixes it, and one size does not fit all, there are many solutions to one problem. Killing wolves is an option, but not the only solution.

Let me also add that I am for the hunting of wolves, but not with state management, I don't know if I would even trust the government since the USDA seems so swayed by industrial farmers. We need a branch of the government who knows how to properly manage animals and is not bribed or influenced by special interests, that would be great. 100 wolves a year I find acceptable with a population of 700+ but if you see that the population is not recovering, you need to reduce the numbers. That is not being done, they are just flat out killing wolves to kill wolves, they are not looking at how it affects them or if they are recovering at all, sure they may count pups, but they don't take into consideration how many pups are taken during hunts or natural causes of death and so on, the numbers keep dropping, they aren't stable, there is no balance. Wolves are not like coyotes in that they can breed quickly and efficiently, if I had a pack on my property to hunt I would hunt it carefully, wolf packs are fragile, sometimes an alpha won't take over and then all the females breed because there is no alpha female keeping them in check, which I suppose is nice for a hunter who wants lots of pelts but not for the ecosystem, if you kill a mother another wolf WILL NOT come nurse her pups, unlike coyotes who will, I could just go on. I would hunt ungulate herds carefully as well to make sure they are kept prime and healthy, coyotes I wouldn't unless I felt the population was low, they are good breeders and raisers.

Oh I totally understood what you meant about the elk killing people in car accidents thing. Even though your argument for that is still completely speculative and unjustified. Not to mention your notion of cause and effect relationships is extremely deluded and over-conclusive, which is pretty scary and it makes me question your judgement in general.
What I meant when I criticized you, was that your sentence:
"Yeah, wolves are killing all the elk all right, just enough that they are still able to be hit by cars and hurt people just as much as wolves do (not that they do at all)."

Is completely incoherent, and it doesn't mean what you meant by it.
Elk hurt people just as much as wolves do? Not that wolves do at all? Ok, so you're saying elk don't hurt people at all.
See... 0 sense.
And I am seriously not going to specify all of the places that exist where wolves are not being slaughtered. That's like me asking you to specify all of the places in the world where people are not being slaughtered... It is innumerable, hence why that was a crap statement, and just an overall pathetic validation of any point you were trying to make.
And yayaya I'm all for maintaining a stable ecosystem and sustaining healthy wolf populations, but you haven't really provided any evidence about the decimation of wolf populations.
Hahahaha I like how you tell me what my business is or isn't. That's a joke. Then you are talking about what people do or do not deserve? Give it a rest, who are you to say what other peoples business is or what they do or do not deserve?

@Wolfeh
thanks for the refreshing comments. A good reminder for us city folk to not paint everyone with the same brush. You sound like someone who truly appreciates nature and loves animals enough to only kill if necessary. Ignore RonPielep's ad hominem attacks. He knows very well what you are saying which makes his commentary foolish.

I could certainly understand the need to "manage" wildlife better if I wasn't certain that most hunters are out there for trophies and the thrill of the kill. I don't entirely blame them though. There is probably something primal involved, however we need to discourage it as best we can.

On a side note, I wonder if Dan has broken the record for most comments. Anyone know of a post with more?

It would be nice too if we could see the view counts on PopSci.

@Far Out Man

Okay, I wasn't sure if he was serious or just flat out trolling, I have a second agreeing that it is trolling so I will ignore him now.

That is actually a very interesting theory and I've never thought of it that way, maybe the biggest buck with the biggest horns also has the most meat to feed the family, something we would have depended on back then? But I do agree, I think a good trophy every now and then is fine (because some elk with giant horns are old ones) but going after trophies all the time isn't. In animal breeding you breed the best, you don't cull them unless they are old and past their prime. If the "best" is not old then you are again, cutting diversity and some good stock.

One thing I will tell you Ron is that you need to do more research on this subject, though I doubt that would change your opinion. I have been following this issue ever since I became aware of it in 2009. Let me just say that in 2011 there was 700 wolves and they killed almost 400 of them, 700 - 400, you do the math. 116 have already been killed this year and the hunt is still on, and they have not done a count yet, even with a population as low as 700 which can be wiped out so easily. Who cares? Idaho doesn't. This is Idaho though, I don't follow Montana, Wyoming, Minnesota, etc, because I don't live there and I know they care as much about my opinions as they do about their own residents' opinions, or as much as IDFG cares about mine and many others. But I doubt they are any better, especially since many think that Idaho's wolf policy is the holy grail and are using it as a base for theirs, or so I've heard.

Anyway the recovery of the Gray Wolf to the United States of America has never been seen as a glorious opportunity to obtain a fantastic pelt from a beautiful fur bearer, it has always been seen as a chance to get back at them for being predators, eating elk and killing livestock. That is perhaps the saddest thing of all out of this. They are not being hunted out of appreciation, they are being hunted out of ignorance and hate. I wonder if we would still have pets or livestock if we saw them in such ways. Why not just hate them for not being dogs? Then again that is just about as logical as hating them for being predators.

OK, look:
#1. If you can't spell or construct a complete sentence in English, please think twice before you comment online. It is utterly laughable that you castigate this author for his poor vocabulary and his poorly written article if you can't even express yourself correctly in our mother tongue. Spellchecker is free and exists on every computer, everywhere. There is no excuse. You know who you are.

#2. If you are going to dismiss an article or opinion because it contains "profanity" (wow, really?), please grow up a little bit, because that is just ridiculous. Profanity does not equal incorrect information. Lots of people use bad words, and several did in posts above. This isn't scripture. The author is justifiably angry and passionate about this issue. Saying he is wrong just because he swore is not a logical argument, and it identifies you as an idiot. He does not deserve to lose his job for this article either. Just because you disagree with someone does not mean they become unemployed. Get over yourselves!

#3. If you think this is an insanely biased, under-fact checked, over-emotional article, please check yourselves. A number of these comments are clearly biased and emotional, and I would guess it is because the people who wrote them are in favor of killing wolves simply because they like shooting animals and have no real justification for doing so. If you can provide actual backup for the facts you are disputing, then please show it - don't just bitch about how emotional and incorrect the writer is without providing some actual, verifiable proof. Otherwise, you are just doing the same thing as the author you accuse.

#4. If nothing else, please at least be honest when you open your mouth or start to type, OK? Come clean, because you're not fooling anyone. People who kill wolves do it because they like to kill animals, because it gives them a distorted sense of accomplishment, of killing some "monster" that they fear. Again, like all bad decisions, it is based on (irrational) fear. Evidently several of these people have posted here already. It really has nothing to do with protecting herds and everything to do with a warped form of entertainment (hey look, a verifiable quote!): "Hunting is a tool that allows us to be able to keep the population at a manageable level where we can help reduce conflict with livestock and provide some recreational opportunities” according to Eric Keszler of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department (see article at kowb1290.com). Killing wolves is merely a "recreational opportunity" to some people, and because they instinctively know there is no justification for this behavior, they rationalize it away by blaming wolves for attacking wildlife, livestock, and people. If you check the numbers (yes, they are in the article) you will note that wolves are responsible for fewer livestock deaths than digestive illness. While you investigate that fact, take a minute and check into factory farming - it's not good for livestock, for the environment, or for humans. And that's a fact NOBODY can deny.

#5. While we're on the subject of the environment, please stop calling people who are pro-environment "stoner treehugger liberal eco-fascist whacko 12 year old girls from the city." Again, you just sound like snotty, uneducated bigots. Name-calling is the lowest form of disagreement and the first refuge of cornered wrongdoers. Also, please drop the homophobia. Again, this is nothing more than thinly-veiled hate for someone who points out that something you like is wrong. GROW UP.

#6. Lest you forget, please allow me to point out something important to you: the environment is shared by ALL of us, and it affects ALL of us. If you are still in denial about climate change and what is happening worldwide because of it, perhaps there is nothing that I or anyone can do to change your mind, but be assured, it IS happening, worldwide, and your ignorant, detached, cavalier (look it up) attitude about it is only making it worse. If you HONESTLY BELIEVE, as you drive down the highway in your gas guzzling vehicle, throwing your cigarette butts and litter out the window, shooting wolves and God knows what else from helicopters (yeah, THAT'S fair), that you know ALL there is to know about how the planet works and that you aren't having a deleterious (look it up) impact on it by insisting on continuing your wasteful consumerist lifestyle and pretending that everything is just fine; if you think that "treehuggers" are wrong, that preserving the natural world is wrong, that killing all the animals you don't like (including rabbits, rlb2) is the only solution and justified because you have "dominion" over all living things... well then, because of people like you, there's really not much hope for the survival of the human race, now is there? And for those of you who depend on your Bible for answers, please see the part where God instructs humans to be STEWARDS and CARETAKERS of the world. If you have any questions about the meanings of those words, look them up too. Dominion is a word that is a little too easy to rationalize for us weak-willed, imperfect and flawed humans. The dominion we've been having is seriously screwing up the planet. THEY were here first. WE are the ones who are encroaching on THEIR territory. We need to have OUR population culled, especially in light of the disproportionate destruction we humans are wreaking on the natural world.

Killing wolves in this manner is ignorant fun for people who still believe in the myth of the big bad wolf and who have a thing for cruelty. If you follow the trail to its logical conclusion, it all ends in money and political graft. If the wolf population needs to be kept within limits, let the hunters shoot them with contraceptive darts to keep the birth rate down. Killing them is too drastic a measure and the affected ecosystems will have a harder time recovering from such a significant loss of apex predators.

Thank you.

I do not like animals killed needlessly. I do understand sometimes-animal populations managed by authorized informed structured personnel, but needless killing is just violence in a different means and wrong.

Why is Dan Nosowitz still working for PopSci? Seriously, he needs to be fired for writing such un-scientific, liberal drivel. This is far from being the first time he's used the pages of this science magazine to promote his own poorly thought out political ideas.

It has been proven over and over again, man is the aids virus of this planet, the quicker we find a cure for this virus, the better for the entire planet.
Shooting wolves proves there are definitely are "none intelligent life forms on this planet", apart from phototaxis !!!!

45 years of reading popular science. TODAY, I cancel my subscription. Science is NOT fanaticism! This guy, and that he has a voice in a formerly trusted publication is ALL that is wrong with the world today.

Goodbye Pop-Sci.

Thank you for this article! I agree with it 100%. Science, common sense, and deductive reasoning all in one! Finally! Man, too many people are being raised without any of it these days! Scary!
I face palmed myself when reading a portion of the comments on here. I cannot believe what self-centered retards are out there! Before people whine and make comments on here maybe they should do some research before posting to get their facts straight. I wonder if this is a problem because people don't know how to read and/or comprehend? Or maybe it's just that they are so self absorbed and/or believe lies? This really is why we have this problem in the first place! You morons have no common sense and refuse to read and comprehend science!! Yikes! Secondly, I think any emotion conveyed in this article is well warranted (which means backed by science). Someone commented on "too emotional for animals, this is more appropriate for people in Syria"... Really? Is this because animals feel less pain and suffering than people in Syria? Is this because animals like wolves are less "intelligent" than people, so we shit on them because we are mighty controlling beings and we can? Frankly I feel more sorry for animals because of the simple fact that people like you disregard them as such. Because they are less intelligent makes it okay to cause them pain and disregard them?...and this makes it ok to murder them? (Yes murder is killing a living being. killing = murder...sorry that you need to pretend it's different to get yourself to sleep at night).
My personal opinion, I have more respect and care for animals because they are subject to the will of humans. In the end there is so little they can do to survive when the will of humans is to murder them. They are at our mercy. Animals do what they do in order to survive, nothing more or less. However, you, a person, have somewhat of a brain to make a choice and carry it out. When someone killed those children in that school in CT it wasn't because he had to kill them, it was because he chose to do it. Do you see wolves going into school and killing 20 children? No, i didn't think so .And that will never happen. I see people being violent and heinous because they choose too, not because they have to in order to survive. So yes, i would rather company myself with wolves, deer, coyotes, rabbits, etc. because they aren't going to shoot me up from behind and steal my Nikes. For those who think wolves are so dangerous….would you rather sit in the wilderness of Yellowstone or in Harlem at 11pm? Suddenly these vicious wolves aren’t so scary are they? Christ I am so tired of people ruining the simple things that I enjoy in life like watching, photographing, and walking among wildlife (most notably wolves). Always” me me” with ranchers and hunters (sounds so close to politician views doesn’t it). Poor them? How about poor me? I was robbed of what I enjoyed so much in life. They shot the 06 wolf... Among the other tax raised wolves. Why are their opinions and concerns so much more than mine? I pay taxes too. I live and share with carnivores and herbivores…doesn’t harm me or my way of life…Why you ask? Because I open my mind to share and be “human.” I don’t have to dominate or control.

P.S. to the stupid hunting comment…what family has starved because the wolves killed all of their food source? NO one. If a family was that starved why didn’t they shoot and eat a wolf? Wolf meat is totally edible! On a more complex note, how about getting a job and going to the store to buy something to eat? Cream of rice, salad, pasta.

If I understand the facts correctly, wolves are no longer listed as endangered b/c they are thriving.
There are 98 in Yellowstone, 328 in Wyoming, 653 in Montana, and 746 in Idaho. All that from introducing a few breeding pairs in 1995 and migration from Canada. There are 109 current breeding pairs, with an average litter size of 4-7 pups. That's way more new wolves than the area's environment can support, in the long term.
I like wolves and fully supported the reintroduction of them to Yellowstone, but I don't see your fanaticism as being scientifically based on a NEED to preserve them. That's not in doubt right now. (sure, if we start doing what we did 100 years ago, it will be, but we are a long way from that)
I understand you don't like them shot, neither do I, but I can see times when it makes sense to shoot them. Unless you are going to pay me back for the damage to my property (livestock), I have a right to protect my property. (in fairness, I live east of the Mississippi and my dogs scare away the local foxes and coyotes).
In regards to the motivation of those who are shooting the wolves, I have trouble taking any of your points seriously as you seem mentally unbalanced on this issue.

Sorry, but I will forever hunt wolves and coyotes. This year alone I've taken 8 coyotes and enjoyed every minute of it all. Go take your unscientific political liberal pansy bull somewhere else and stop ruining the reputation of PopSci.

Popular "Science?" You should be ashamed for allowing this article anywhere near the term. That being said, I would like to suggest some solutions to this "problem."

#1: Introduce wolves into Pennsylvania and outlaw hunting of them there.

#2: Further remove humans from the natural ecosystem by following Pennsylvania's lead: outlaw all hunting nationwide, and use only government "culling" as wildlife management. (Exactly what do you think culling means?) This way, all Americans will have more respect and understanding for the laws of nature because we can watch it on TV.

I just have one question. As much as it may sadden many wildlife "enthusiasts," is the death of wolf 832F not natural selection? And please check your facts. The wolf population has been steadily growing since 1995. Area population and genetic diversity is absolutely sufficient to sustain a viable population with the hunting regulations that have been put in place.

As simply a bleeding heart who omits all true science from your writing, I am disgusted that anyone, least of all a "science" magazine will publish your work.

stuftbrain I would be surprised if ranchers were NOT compensated for their losses,in fact, in the past the problem was one dead steer turned into 4 or 5,parts. The elk and the rest of nature had to go pack to having predators again,so what? There needs to be conservation measures, but when this is done poorly, it just feeds mindless liberal drama. Some one mentioned that,after all, they are just animals....so are we, and they tend to show a lot more class than most Humans. The emotional level displayed is no different than the emotions of ranchers and yahoos who just like to kill stuff. Balance in Nature is very fluid, Humans could take a few lessons.

I love guns and own some. I like to shoot with them too. Shooting valuable and rare wildlife that is perfectly healthy is not smart or evolutionary.having a strong opinion is laudable. Those wolves weren't rabid, sick, or hurting anyone. Nor did they go downtown and ignore the no wolves downtown rule. Can someone break get a price quote for me on one of the wolves. We have spent lots of money on the program and can break down the cost per wolve. How much should one be and how much should they cost to hunters to keep the program going. Because there is no other logical reason to allow shooting of a healthy wolve other then for sport. If that state is going to let that continue let them and the hunters Pay the true cost.

How is this nonscientific, insulting, biased article even allowed in the "Popular Science" realm? The perfect response to this "nonscientific" emotional blabber by Dan Nosowitz is: www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/hunting/2012/12/emotion-and-science-wolf-management

Well, whippersnapper, the problem is stated in the first paragraph of the response, which opines "The first rule of wildlife management is that populations matter. Individuals don’t." However, it was 432F's individual qualities as the Lamar Pack's leader which impressed, inspired, and uplifted millions of Yellowstone visitors from around the world. So, such wildlife management is starting off on completely false premises.

It is very inconvenient for wildlife management that individual animals are individual animals, and can have a value as such far beyond their role as a cog in the ecosystem. Unfortunately, ignoring the fact does not make it go away.

It seems to be inconvenient for wildlife management that wolves breed as social animals too, so there is very little attention paid to the fact that sport hunting makes wolf packs smaller and opens room for new pairs to form packs. The only attention paid to the fact that hunting drives wolf reproduction up by sabotaging wolves' population control of growing their packs and excluding other wolves from a larger territory is to point out that they can replace a large percentage of their population harvested.

What it costs in game to raise those additional pups to size for hunters to "harvest" is also never acknowledged. The wolf trophies don't come for free. Twice as many litters born means the wolf cubs eat twice as much, starting when young game animals are also being born.

Beyond9; all that you say is mute whe you c the facts of the incident you are trying to prevent. The mother didn't lock her weapons up and non were real assault rifles. There goes your first points. Limiting civil rights isn't the answer. Some of your ideas aren't bad welcome to what everybody else done mulled over a bit.

Normmacky; dear sr you are neutral at best and incoherent otherwise. At least you tried. Have a great day.

Wow! Where did you find this guy?

I've never shot a wolf and don't intend to but this guy's psycho rant isn't going to change anyone's mind.

R Knapman
Do we thank Sara Palin for her disregard of the importance of life, be it Wolves or other creatures of God, which are self regulating.

Shame on Popsci for hosting this. And shame on me for wasting my time reading it. I don't like where this site/magazine is headed.

Hey, I agree with this guy's article. Yeah, he gets a little excited about the subject, but it works. The photos are nice, and his basic message is correct - like it or not. Much of what is going on in Wyoming with the wolves today is nothing more than legalized murder instigated by ranchers and hunters. You don't have to be a tree hugger to know that what is going on is wrong. Like someone said - look at the facts.

Oh, and the person that wrote that this was an inappropriate article for PopSci, because he goes to the website for scientific information???? Duh, look at the articles on the website - "The Helmet that can Save Football" "FYI: How LOng Would it Take Santa to Deliver Presents to Every Kid on Earth?", Etc., Etc. This is an entertainment magazine - not a scientific journal.

When I go camping, I keep a gun on hand because there is a chance that wolves will wander into camp. I have a kid brother that the wolves would NOT be afraid of, and I want a weapon on hand to defend him if I have to. I'm okay with shooting wolves. You say Coyotes are more dangerous to cattle than wolves. I say shoot them. You say bears are more lethal to humans than wolves. I say shoot them too. You say there are too many deer in your state, but you miss the obvious solution. Shoot them too. When I'm hunting, I don't give a damn about the size of the animal. It's hard enough just to find one. Would a trophy elk be awesome? Yes, but I'd shoot a cow elk just as fast as I would a bull. You say it doesn't matter that most wolf attacks on humans are from rabid wolves. It does matter, because they attacked people. On a side note, someone near the top said that you shouldn't marry a hunter because he'd probably beat you. I say this to him. I would never hurt a woman unless she attacked me randomly. If I ever found that my dad (a hunter) was beating my Mom, I'd shoot him. If I ever found that a man beat or raped my sister, I'd shoot him several times. That murderer of children should have been shot. Too bad no one had a gun to defend the kids. All they could do is practice their little lockdown drill and wait for him to kick a door in.

I live in Ontario,in the Kawarthas.We have a lot of lake&bush also a lot of farms.Around here Sheep and Cattle plus Horses ,Llamas and other animals are also common.Occasionally coyotes become a problem to the sheep and smaller animals.The raccoons are a real pest.I go anywheres I please and I never carry a gun unless I,m hunting.Wolves ,and yes We do have them,are not a concern.To actually see one is a treat.Truthfully,Wolves have a lot more to fear from Humans than any Human had to fear from Wolves.Algonquin Park is just to the North of Us.It,s very beautifull and natural.There are all kinds of wild animals,Moose,Bears,Deer .No guns are allowed in the park.And there is no record of Wolves attacking humans in over 100 years.I hope You have a chance to visit.But Leave Your guns at home,You don,t need them.

We should take away their guns. hunters in Wyoming don't deserve to live.

I looked again to make sure I wasnt reading a blog.....this article is the worst so far...POPSci is becoming sh*t with the guy on their payroll...

Actually the only animal that was ever a threat to Me was a deer I hit with My car.I was,nt speeding,It ran across the road and being a deer it never stopped and looked both ways and so it took out the front of My car.Never even stopped and left Me it,s address for insurance.My Wife swerves when Cat,s Dog,s Squirrels run out on the road,Some day I swear She,s going to run off the road and kill Me.Moose cause a lot of accidents North of Me.Especially in the Summer when they go out on the road at night to get away from the Black Flies and Mosquitoes.Bears can be agressive especially when they have cubs.Coyotes kill Sheep and Racoons destroy a lot of corn are destructive and do doo-doo on My deck.Theres a Woodpecker putting holes in My trees and garter snakes get into the shed where I keep My lawn tractor(scares the crap out of the Wife).Wolves are totally not a problem ,But You never know.Let,s kill them all.Better to be safe than sorry.Seems like the All American solution to all lifes little problems.Why waste Your valuble time trying to learn about them when it,s so much easier just to kill them all?Next week I,ll teach all You children how to dynamite fish.

I live in NW Florida;35 miles north of Ft.Walton Beach;the "Panhandle",if y'all will allow? For those not familiar with this area,my property is about 4 miles north of I-10 and South of the Alabama state line by 17 miles. I have 30 acres of hilly land with 14 acres of tillage. Back in 1977,The new President,James Earl "Jimmy" Carter had the newly formed EPA with help from the USNP Rangers release several dozen mating pairs of Western Grey wolves into the greater Eglin Fed Preserve lands,which lie 4.2 miles south of me. They were brought in to thin down the large herd of deer prevalent on the Federal Lands.Deer aren't stupid like liberals...they follow the food,especially my 14 acres and all of my neighbors crops. Now those wolves aren't as stupid as liberals nor every politician...they follow their food;out of the Fed Lands and into my 'hood! Not only are there deer crunching up my corn and squash,but I have wolves,coyotes,black bears,raccoons,possums,skunks or whatever else chomping on eggs,chickens,guinea,fowl,ducks turkeys and my livestock. In the Deep South,we don't hug trees;we clear and cut them out of our view. we use the wood for fires that heat and cook food for us;make furniture,decks and porches to enjoy a sweettea or lemonade. Shell-bark hickory has a nut that is called a "butter"nut,when mashed,has the taste and consistency of butter but no saturated fat! We also tap these trees to gather sap to make syrup that tastes better than what the Yankees use from maples. Hickory makes a fine smoke for all the venison,coon,sausage,sause,bacon and ham that we shoot! Strange thing,but the Libs don't tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The FBI presents yearly,statistical data on crime in the USA. In the last year reported,2012,the overall Violent crime rate,during the period of 1992-2012(20yrs),has dropped 54%,in metropolitan Cities with populations of 250K+. Answer this question? In what year was the Nation's first "assault weapons ban",passed? 2002?1992? Try looking up 1934,but don't Google it...they rewrite history and it won't show it there.Got to go.All Y'all peace!

I am no hunter, and I have no desire to be one. However, people have hunted for millenia. I am sure that just as there is a sex drive, a hunger drive, etc. there is also a drive to hunt. I don't feel it, but that doesn't make me right and the hunters wrong. That said, there are some men that feel a drive toward other men. Again, I don't feel that either, but doesn't make me right and them wrong. What I'm trying to say is that just because you, yourself, do not feel a particular drive, that does not make you right. Allow other people the right to want, and like, and be attracted to, things that do not attract you without calling them crazy.

First of all, your so-called statistics are biased and your logic is insane. I would like to see you hang out with a pack of wolves and see how friendly they are to you. And the statistics about livestock consumption are incomplete because sure the wolves might attack that smaller percentage each year... But look how many less there are!?!?!? Maybe 1/50 of the population of coyotes if even close to that! Even cougars outnumber wolves 5-1 in Wyoming. Get your facts straight and don't write biased articles please, PopSci... Used to be a fan but this article and the uninformed morons reading really make me lose my faith in society and the reliability of PopSci. Please keep in mind people that most of you are morons that know nothing and have been misinformed by the disgusting liberal media, once you come to your senses that you are an over-opinionated moron, life will become easier for society as a whole. And I love how the American public and media attack gun owners about every issue such as this.. What has happened to public mentality?!?! You have been turned into media loving robots. You know your cat that likes to chase that laser pointer dot? Yeah; that's you!

Ban the media and mass communications. It allows too many morons to air their uninformed opinions and sway others, that is the first solution to most of the worlds issues. Everything you think and do is stupid. Here's one great example; environmentalists that think hybrid or electric cars are better for the environment. No they are not. Where do you think all the battery acid goes when your stupid electric car stops working? Or how they procure all the petroleum based products to manufacture them and all the "pollution" produced in order to make them! They still require grease, oil and mass production and then you still have a big piece of junk to dispose of when it is dead. Why not encourage people to buy old cars and fix them and stop producing so much crap? Because the media and all the rich assholes want you to buy more and feel good about it so you will buy more. Everybody wants something better than their neighbor so why not capitalize on it? Like this BS article that will encourage more uninformed idiots to donate to wildlife society's and other disgusting groups that the people pay to cause us more problems, while we pay for their social assistance for them to sit on their asses all day and take another bite out of society. I know that if I sat around all day thinking about controversial topics that cost the public more money, all while taking money from social assistance and donations from suckers, I would feel pretty useless. As I hope the author of this disgusting article does. Shame on PopSci for supporting such and unsubstantiated, un informative opinion swaying article.

To get an idea of what the "pro-wolf hunting" crowd is all about, link to this petition:

http://www.causes.com/actions/1724771

They have facebook pages that post pictures of wolves and coyotes being tortured and then laugh about it with their buddies. They don't care about science or facts. I spent two days attempting to reason with them and explain the facts. I am a biologist and I have researched the RErelease of the wolves extensively. I developed the microsatellites that helped determine the reintroduced wolves were, in fact, the same species as the historical population. (They like to claim it is a larger, more aggressive subspecies and therefore non-native). While I don't believe all of the hunters and ranchers share the barbaric attitude of these groups, these guys happen to be the most vocal. Maybe if more hunters and ranchers would speak out against their practices the rest of us wouldn't view you in such a negative light.

Wow.. So much for "science" in Popular Science. This diatribe is full of loathing and hate and scant on facts.

I live in Wyoming, that "maniac" state. You have no idea what it's like to live here and probably wrote this from some ivory tower in smog-filled LA or New York while drinking a $10 Starbucks. Get a clue.

If you want wolves so bad, put one in your back yard and see how long that lasts. No, it's far easier to have a happy little agenda when all of the negatives are forced onto someone else instead.

I created this account just to leave this comment:

It is ignorance that leads to the tragic killing of wolves, and hateful writing like this won't solve a damn thing.

First, I could not agree with the sentiment expressed in this article more.

Second, I am shocked to see such subjective belligerence coming from POPSCI, regardless of the author or column. Objectivity is so crucial today, please don't lose that for quick hits on the page. POPSCI, please do not succumb shock-and-appall blogger tactics. Please maintain your journalistic integrity.

Killing wolves, under any pretense, is unjustifiable when it comes to the facts. Wolves attacking people in the continental US is nonexistent, and the 'threat' they pose to cattle is a joke.

That being said, I will be disappointed if this article remains online. Your readers expect, and need, more from you.


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