On January 14, 2011, a 61-year-old Italian inventor named Andrea Rossi staged a spectacular demonstration.
In a warehouse in Bologna, he switched on a strange contraption that looked like a leg of lamb wrapped in aluminum foil. He called it the “E-Cat,” short for “energy catalyzer.” It contained a pinch of powdered nickel, a puff of hydrogen gas, and a dash of a secret catalyst. When the mixture was heated with an electrical current, a mysterious reaction occurred, generating large amounts of excess heat—far more than any known chemical reaction could produce. The heat boiled water into steam. The steam could be used to spin a turbine to make electricity.
Here, Rossi claimed, was a machine that harnessed a previously unknown type of nuclear reaction—a machine that could produce nearly infinite energy cheaply and with no radioactive by-products. It would put the oil companies out of business. It would enable humanity to explore space on the cheap. It would change the world overnight.
A handpicked audience of 40 journalists and scientists watched Rossi’s E-Cat gurgle steam for an hour. Physicist Francesco Celani, who had traveled to Bologna from Rome, brought along a spectrometer to measure spikes in gamma radiation, which could provide evidence that nuclear reactions did indeed power Rossi’s machine; Rossi demanded that Celani turn it off, lest he divine his secrets.
Despite the rebuff, three weeks later Celani presented observations of Rossi’s “black box,” as he called it, at a special session of the 16th International Conference on Cold Fusion. He also circulated an e-mail in which he estimated that Rossi’s E-Cat produced 15 to 20 times more energy than it consumed.
If it were true, Rossi’s invention would be a miracle—the boundless energy source that physicists have been pursuing since the dawn of the nuclear age. But could it be true? Could a solo inventor working out of a warehouse in Bologna really have built a fusion device that could power the planet?
Scientists have been captivated by the promise of commercial fusion power for more than half a century. During nuclear fusion, light atoms combine to form heavier elements; in the process, a small fraction of mass is converted into energy. Lots of energy. Fusion is one of the most powerful processes known to physics. “Hot” fusion, in which hydrogen atoms combine to form helium and tritium at temperatures of tens of millions of degrees, lights the sun. Re-creating the 200-million-degree plasma soup necessary for nuclear fusion to take place on Earth requires vast amounts of energy, far more than scientists have been able to squeeze out of multibillion-dollar machines, making hot fusion little more than an expensive lab experiment.
The machine would put the oil companies out of business. It would enable humanity to explore space on the cheap. It would change the world overnight.Yet in 1989, Martin Fleischmann, an electrochemist at the University of Southampton in England, and Stanley Pons, a professor at the University of Utah, held a press conference to announce that they had fused nuclei of deuterium (a heavy isotope of hydrogen) in an inexpensive tabletop apparatus—not at millions of degrees, but at room temperature. Their experiment was deceptively simple: Attach electrodes to strips of palladium and platinum. Place the metal in a jar of heavy water (water in which the hydrogen atoms are replaced by deuterium). Run an electrical current through it. The force of electrolysis, Fleischmann and Pons claimed, packed deuterium nuclei into the palladium’s atomic-scale lattice structure closely enough for them to overcome their natural repulsion and fuse into helium. In went a modest amount of electricity; out came a thousand times more heat than any known chemical reaction could produce—enough heat, Fleischmann and Pons said, that its source had to be nuclear.
Researchers the world over scrambled to replicate their results. While a few claimed success, most of them failed. They said that Fleischmann and Pons measured heat incorrectly. They said they didn’t stir the heavy water in their cell. As the negative reports poured in, Fleischmann and Pons were pilloried in the press and denounced by their peers. Months later, a scathing Department of Energy report recommended that cold-fusion research should receive no public funding. Since then, it has been all but banished from mainstream science.
Nevertheless, a community of a few hundred researchers continues to pursue the energy source that Fleischmann and Pons claimed to have discovered back in 1989. Some of them work in government labs, others in private facilities. A few conduct experiments in their homes. But they don’t call it cold fusion anymore. The field has more aliases than P. Diddy: condensed matter nuclear science, lattice-assisted nuclear reaction, chemically assisted nuclear reaction. The current term of art is low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR).
The identity crisis stems from the simple fact that cold-fusion researchers don’t understand how these reactions work. All they know is that their experiments produce excess heat, along with neutron fluxes, alpha particles, transmutations, and other signatures of nuclear activity. Sometimes. Some experiments emit a hint of gamma rays; most don’t. Some show evidence of transmutation products (one element turning into another, requiring an exchange of protons and neutrons); many don’t. One might produce a single watt of anomalous heat; another might pump out 200 watts. There’s a lot of evidence that something is going on. What that is, not even the true believers can say for sure.
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Pure hogwash. Just another wacko.
"...Rossi--a lone Italian inventor with no real credentials and a history as a convicted scam artist..."
The BULLSHIT meter is currently pegging.
"Time" will ultimately answer this question if this is real and I imagine for Rossi in his old age, this is his last con-hurray, prior to his death.
So if an Italian scientist fails at something as big as cold fusion will he be sentenced to death?
I see nothing here but swamp gas and weather balloons.
Move along. Move along.
Not going to take the time to read this, but a 'new type' of nuclear reaction would have set the scientific community on fire. And, as this has been around for a number of years with only a few converts to speak of, that clearly hasn't happened.
At best, he has some arbitrary chemical reaction confused with a nuclear process that happens to generate some energy. At worst, and most likely, it's a massive scam.
Why did this BS require 8 pages?
Silverbird,
A big lie, requires a larger explanation, hence the length of the article. Yea, 8 pages, makes sense to me.
For myself, I usually find the simple answers to life’s questions the most comforting.
1mW = 1 milliwatt. This bugs me.
Rossi might be an eccentric and a fraud, but the author of this article paints Francesco Celani as a credible scientist waiting for a chance to prove himself. I say let him try. I wish him the best.
There's no point in labelling them all frauds and charlatans. Firstly, what credibility do we have that gives us the right to call them names? Secondly, to borrow from a famous case a century ago, just because Simon Newcomb proved that heavier-than-air flying machines were impossible, doesn't mean the Wright brother didn't fly. And all of the hateful and dismissive criticisms that they faced for nearly 5 years (5 years!) after their first flight at Kittyhawk only led to an equal amount of retractions and apologies.
@Robot
"I usually find the simple answers to life’s questions the most comforting"
That's a quaint little thought, and it's fine if you're a farmer or something I guess, but science can sometimes get complicated. Do you see no validity in Quantum Mechanics, for example?
I'm in no way saying that Rossi is credible, or that LENR is pure truth, but falling back on these old judgemental, finger-pointing, "I'm better than you" attitudes to dismiss the work of others is ignorant.
suggestivesimon,
Does respected scientist share their thoughts, or do they keep them locked up in a tiny box?
Yes, there are too big answers to big questions as well, I agree with you. But remember when a neutrino was faster than light for a while, at least these scientist publish their results and ask for help and verification.
This guys seems to enjoy to much his little secrets and has an well establish reprutation too.
I heard the fiction tale now. I just wait until it comes out in paperback for all to read and to understand.
My prediction is that in time Andrea Rossi will be considered a major figure in the history of science.
I have studied his work carefully over the last couple of years, and found that there is plenty of evidence, including confirmation from third party testers, that he has discovered a way to produce energy that is superior to anything currently on the market.
It's not surprising to see doubts and skepticism, but I think in time they will fade when more information comes forward and working products are put to work.
@Robot
I get it. I'm not arguing that Rossi isn't a fraud. But Science (capital S) has been plagued with finger-pointing, name-calling and public shaming for centuries. Whenever someone isn't part of an established scientific "clique", the community responds way too viciously. It has historically hindered scientific progress.
If Rossi's evidence is insufficient, and if his character is bizarre, well that's that's that. Can't we just move on and skip the gratuitous name-calling?
At this very moment, Man Kind has the Science and Technology to immediately stop the progression of any known disease! To have your vehicle fully operational from the energy (AURA) of the body! The dog and cat to keep the home fires burning and there is enough aura produced from gramps old bones as to run a factory!
Yes… Rossi may be a crackpot, but what about:
-The US NAVY SPAWAR LENR research, claiming that LENR is real.
-Mike McKubre of SRI International.
-Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist of NASA Langley, who says that LENR is one of the most promissing future energy sources.
-George Miley, University of Illinois, who is developing a LENR RTG energy generator for NASA.
-Robert Godes of Brillouin Energy, who claims to have a LENR technology ready for comercial use, validated by Los Alamos & SRI.
-Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies, claiming that have a truly revolutionary LENR technology.
-Francesco Piantelli and Nichenergy.
-Francesco Celani, National Institute of Nuclear Physics, Frascati National Laboratories
-The element transmutation LENR experiments of Mitsubishi and Toyota.
-The Arata Cold Fusion experiments.
-Prof Igor Goryachev, Kurchatov Institute (Russia)
-ST Microelectronics LENR research team.
-Thermacore LENR experiments.
- ETC, ETC…
There is A LOT of evidence that sugest that LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) are real.
It is incredible how dogmatic and arrogant science has become, thinking than theory predates observation and despising every new discovery that doesnt conform to the current theories as if we already know everything.
Why this research field has been scorned wrongfully when there is so much evidence suggesting that it is totally legitimate?
Doctors Fleischmann and Pons should have received the Nobel Prize for their contributions to science, but nothing will compensate them for the injustice to which they were subjected since 1989. Dr. Fleischmann died in August, so he will never see compensation for the destruction of his scientific career.
Personally I think that a technological revolution is about to begin.
Please, follow this link and investigate for yourselfs about what is happening in the LENR field right now:
www.slideshare.net/tylervan/lenr
suggestivesimon,
Is it possible for a bad guy or shyster offer a good idea once in a while, yea it's possible, why not. Just remember how much time you willing to waste with such a person. But hey anything is possible and if he does already have a reputation of being a shyster and now wants to be taken seriously, he best be an open book with his GREAT IDEA!
I'm willing to overlook the lone garage scientist, even his history of fraud. Bigger miracles of history.
The big red flag here, for me, is that he hasn't allowed anyone to actually look at it. I get that he wants to protect his work and all, but if he's selling these things they're just going to tear those apart once they get one. So if even one person preorders one of the $1.5 million plants and it turns out to be fake... I just hope I'm wrong. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about this man.
Fusion > Fire
And;
Rossi = Real Deal
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Excellent job of getting to the truth about Rossi. If he really had working megawatt reactor, the story would not unfold the way it has. Everything that Rossi says or does screams "SCAM!". What type of scam? Rossi can't fool customers. There almost certainly are no customers. His "marks" must be investors and distributors who pay him for shares and fees in advance. Such scams are not uncommon in the "field" of "free energy". Other examples include Steorn, Carl Tilley, Dennis Lee, Mark Goldes and many others you can Google.
The most amazing part of your story is that so many people who should know better still believe Rossi's machine is the real deal. One such individual is Jed Rothwell who, of all people, should realize by now that he's being conned. That he doesn't, and that many regular investigators of cold fusion and LENR don't recognize the scam, suggests that they are gullible. That means that all claims for cold fusion are highly suspicious until proven otherwise.
As I have written elsewhere, criteria for proving cold fusion should include a reactor which makes substantial power (dozens or hundreds of watts) long enough (days or weeks without fresh fuel, depending on size) with an output power to input power ratio (often erroneously called COP) of 3 or better. Input power, if not DC, should be measured with a broadband power meter. Output power should be measured with gold standard quality calorimetry, either a fluid flow calorimeter or a Seebeck Effect envelope calorimeter. Output measurement should be calibrated with an electrical heater and an appropriate blank run (using inert components in the reactor) should be made. Finally, everything should be tested independent of the inventor! None of this has ever been properly done for Rossi's machine.
Defkalion is the other claimant to large amounts of power from LENR and they are just as goofy as Rossi. Maybe you can visit them soon in their new Canadian labs? Celani seems credible but his results are weak and could be measurement errors. Claims by all the others often cited by enthusiasts in cold fusion/LENR are, for one reason or another, disappointing thus far. None claiming a large effect is completely credible.
Keep up the excellent work. This useful report should go a ways to disabuse those who think Rossi has solved the world's energy problems. Thank you for it.
Be skeptical, but at the same time, be informed.
There is a great deal of information about LENR ("low energy nuclear reactions" - the latest name for cold fusion) on the internet: go to lenr-canr.org and/or google LENR and start reading.
At the same time, watch out for the trolls.
There are many pseudo-skeptics who just like to argue and/or dump on anything that looks hopeful.
There are some very hard-core anti-LENR posters that look for and jump on articles such as these as soon as they come out.
There are very strong entrenched economic interests that would be seriously harmed if LENR were to be real.
Silverbird's comment, "Why did this BS require 8 pages?" is key.
This is a peculiar story; not so much for its content, but for its timing.
Steven Featherstone contacted me on June 19 this year.
"I came across your site while researching a feature story about 'cold fusion,' or LENR as it were, and Andrea Rossi in particular. I'm new to the subject of cold fusion, so it's been quite an uphill battle separating fact from fiction. Especially with material found on the web, most of which appears to be fiction. Your skepticism about Rossi's claims, while not rare, seems more informed than most and certainly well-documented. In fact, I’ve ordered your book and plan to read it ASAP. I’m just getting started on the reporting, but my editor wants the story as soon as possible. At the moment, I haven't contacted Rossi, but plan to do so soon, in order to arrange an interview. Before I talk to him, I’d love to get your take on Rossi I’m aware that you’ve probably said everything you need to say on your site, but I’m hoping that you can help me cut quickly through the detritus -- as well as the whole field of “cold fusion” research. Thanks, and keep up the good work!"
I sent Featherstone my LENR Reading List, which includes my paper for the American Nuclear Society LENR session next month, my interview for the Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity, my chapter in the Wiley Nuclear Energy Encyclopedia, my chapters in the Elsevier Encyclopedia of Electrochemical Power Sources and several other articles that have published in mainstream science.
The next day, I spent three hours with Featherstone on the phone. I explained to him that, as I have shown on the "New Energy Times Rossi Portal", (www.rossiportal.com/) Rossi's E-Cat was an old story. Not only did we already show (on video) that Rossi didn't have what he claimed, our readers figured out how Rossi was fooling people by dumping water down the drain rather than fully vaporizing it into dry steam. The most laughable excuse that Rossi believers countered for this revelation was given by Edmund Storms, who suggested that "Rossi Faked It - But Only Once".
Why Featherstone and his editor Seth Fletcher decided, a year after our investigation, to go to Italy and do a story on Rossi and his E-Cat that brought nothing new to the table, is a mystery to me.
There is credible, important science in the LENR field that may herald remarkable advances in future science and technology. Popular Science can do better than this.
Steven B. Krivit
Publisher and Senior Editor, New Energy Times
If the end result energy can be made cheaply\cleanly for the world, YEA! And I hope this guy becomes a Kazillion-ar too! God bless him.
But with his reputation, I will not be investing in his R&D thank you. ;)
@Robot
"how much time you willing to waste with such a person"?
I'm wasting neither time nor money on this man. You're the one wasting time, typing the words "con", "shyster", "bullshit" and "lie".
Personal tidbit: I loved Popular Science as a kid. My dad was a subscriber and I would go through the issues page by page, looking at the cool pictures and gadgets with wide-open eyes. There are only two issues I remember vividly from my childhood: the Skunkworks issue in '94 and the Cold Fusion issue in Nov '93. I just went to check it out in the archives. It's been almost 20 years, and it's crazy how little has changed. The garage inventors are still doing their thing. I honestly hope they succeed, but we'll see...
@Steve Krivit
To your credit, you were one of the first Rossi observers to take the time and trouble to properly investigate him and one of the first to call him out as the bullsh*t artist that he is.
What I find most amazing about this mainline media article is that it reveals how gullible many prominent investigators in cold fusion and LENR really are. One striking example is Mike McKubre who is actually taking seriously one of the Rohner brothers and his ridiculous Papp "noble gas" engine! George Miley's claims to hundreds of watts from LENR are completely unsupported. Brillouin can't seem to produce a graphic without horrible typographical errors and can't correct them after months of being told of the errors. Nanospire claims impossible injuries from radiation due to LENR-- injuries never properly documented. Defkalion said they had powerful reactors with built in flow calorimetry two years ago and now they are showing off a lame looking contraption with dreadfully inadequate measurement methods such that it is questionable that it produces any power at all. And on it goes.
An amazing number of people who should know better still think it's likely Rossi is for real and they make absurd excuses for his obviously deceptive and dishonest behavior. Many give attention if not credence to other obvious frauds. This casts doubts on the credibility of all of their work. You can see this on all the many Rossi and LENR fan sites including the Vortex email list, ecatnews.com, Sterling Allen's pesn.com and especially e-catworld.com which is heavily censored against effective dissent.
Except maybe for Celani, whose results aren't enough to rule out noisy measurements, it seems as if most people working in this field are incompetent, gullible, and/or dishonest! Except also for you Steve. I am glad you are able to call out the crooks. I don't know if your support of WL theory is warranted but I hope you're right on that too. I hope we can see some definitive experiments out there soon on that score.
Mary,
Every keystroke you and Steven "the snake" Krivit invest in negatively describing Rossi is not saying that much about him. It is saying something about you and your agenda. Your well written comments don't fit. You are no engineer. You are a lobbyist with a technical background that is hired to defame and denounce.
To be able to criticize is a gift. Getting paid to criticize makes you an abject human being.
JB
suggestivesimon,
I do not believe I use the word lie. It ok, you are entitling to your opinion as am I and others.
Take care. ;)
I am glad you love PoPSCi.
I enjoy the website and internet blog too.
suggestivesimon,
I do not believe I use the word lie. It ok, you are entitling to your opinion as am I and others.
Take care. ;)
I am glad you love PoPSCi.
I enjoy the magizine and internet blog too.
Easy enough to reproduce ourselves. Gamma radiation converted to heat is not ideally safe, but no exoctic materials here needed inabundance. Even palladium, can be found in small amounts to test this in my own garage.
"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."
Wonder what the sentence in Italy is for talking about energy like this? We already know what it is for speaking of earthquakes in public squares is.
re: maryyugo & stevenbkrivit
For those just joining the party, maryyugo and Steven Krivit have extensive online histories of aggressively declaring that Rossi is a fraud and examining what he does for evidence of that fraud.
They just can't quite ever prove it. Just ask them to. And then carefully work your way through the circumstantial evidence, hidden assumptions and confident, high quality rhetoric.
I personally think Steven adds a lot of value to the whole LENR field, and partly by keeping people honest. He believes in LENR enough to have put his newenergytimes site behind a paywall. But his insistence that Rossi is a fraud is something I've never figured out.
Makes me wonder about motives.
I find it hilarious that someone thinks I am paid to denigrate Rossi. I only wish it were true! What an easy job that would be!
Rossi and his silly misnamed blog (the pompously designated "Journal of Nuclear Physics") are his own worse enemies. Rossi needs no paid detractors.
As for scionaut asking for proof that Rossi is currently still a crook, there isn't solid proof (yet) that Rossi and Defkalion are scamming but there is iron clad evidence that they are chronic serial liars. Some of Rossi's lies are described in the article, others were outed by Krivit. Rossi and Defkalion even call each other liars and you know what? In that aspect, they're both right!
How does a factory produce 77,000 tons of toxic waste before someone noticed. Sounds like he has political connections.
A crop formation from 2001 resembles cold fusion.
For those who scream fraud because of Rossi's past should do some research into the subject before judging, a majority of the customers Rossi had during the Petrol Dragon Scandal showed up to court on ROSSI'S BEHALF! There were hasty law changes made by the Government and the hammer fell on him very fast. I dont know where everyone else lives but where I'm from it takes the Government 10 min to blink an eye.
MaryYugo:
I think that if you dont have conclusive evidence that a person is a scammer you should shut up and stop saying so. It is very unethical what you do. I have never heard any person saying that Rossi has scammed him.
On the other hand, I think that your disproportionate and unfair attacks to Rossi denote certain psychopathic tendencies on your part, unless of course that you are benefiting financially from your behaviour somehow.
Give it up please.
With all due respect.
Peace and love.
Whats all the fuss about, if it works then he will have to prove it, no one is going to blindly believe without proof and if they do then they are m0rons. As far as his history, woopedy-do, you don't have to be a saint to contribute to science.
Please! Its so obvious! He is a Mad Scientist... Plain and simple... If its a verifiable science then he is winning.. If not... Very Provocative article.. Kudos to the author, Featherstone!
I am a computer scientist. I have +100 papers, books, etc. I cannot publish any of my work even at a 2nd tier conference unless I can absolutely prove what I am claiming is correct with very clear description of algorithms, verifiable code and experiments that I conduct on benchmark datasets. This is the times we leave in now, not the times someone says nothing heavier than air cannot fly and be taken serious. Science has really progressed considerably within the last century. Very positive, very serious.
Also, I personally believe power generation is much more important than my modest algorithms. I ask myself why would then someone who makes an enormously important claim of free energy yet play 'the dumb' when it comes to provide either a clear description, verifiable proof or working prototype to someone else having taken the obvious risk of being called as 'the clown'? He can easily become the richest person or nobel prize winner... By elimination method (google it) only reasonable answers seem that that person is either does not have the capacity to understand the things he experiments with or he is really a crook... I do not take 'personality', etc. bulls. as a valid defense on his behalf as we do not leave in 19th century and he is obviously making a living out of such claims...
Thanks Featherstone for igniting this discussion...
The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.
There is no way this guy could do this, a catalyst is not powerful enough to do this!!! No catalyst is! Where did he find this cr4p, a crashed UFO? If it is real, then great, let him give it to the U.N., if not, screw this lying b4st4rd!
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Mark Twain
I think Pandora will be envious.
My question, why the debate over it? If he has made this frage Energie box, let some reliable and waivered scientists look at it and find out if this crap is chemical or thermonuclear, the former most likely.
Either way, this screams hoax, and PopSci should be a wee bit more conservative on how it markets this little box.
And Robot, it was a pithos, or storage jar. Look it up, adapted to a box in the roman era, I do believe.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Mark Twain
1mW = 1 milliwatt. This bugs me.
It is error in text. Picture with blue container is actually 1MW (megawatt = 1000 000 W) plant.It is battery of many smaller reactors connected for parallel work (if You believe or not).
Reminds me of a val kilmer movie from the late 90s the" saint"plot deals with cold fusion, industrial espionage,secret police in russia etc. The past science break throughs had mud slinging duals also. Nikola Tesla AC-DC,great radio controversy,beta vs vhs,8 track vs cassette,flat earth society vs copernicus(columbus)lol.Big oil vs innovation for now wins by default.I recall a high school teacher feeding us a legendary story in class... of a 1970s car manufacturer conspiracy style tale. Its fuel efficiency startled the owner,the car was returned to the dealer and never seen again. Proto type,miracle carb? So,If this box is the real deal,the common man may never see it in everyday use,ever.
@Steven Krivit
While I don't doubt that what you say is true and your work valid, I believe the reason Popular Science released this article is because they wanted to see the evidence for themselves. I'm no journalist, but I do know a thing or two about some things.
Let's, for giggles, take the example of bees. When a hive grows too big, a couple bees will go out and scout for a new one. They'll all come back and inform the hive that they've found what they believe is a good place for a hive. The better they believe the place is, the more they'll do their little dance about it. Each bee that sees will decide if it wants to check out the place, and then will do so.
The new place with the most bees talking about it is chosen as the new place for the new hive. This results in an almost a perfect chance that the hive will find the best place to live.
They can do this because each bee comes to her (I believe they all are shes, aren't they?) own conclusion on her own, not just by believing the first be to find the place. They don't believe what others say until they see it for themselves.
Why is this at all relevant? Because this is what I see when I see PopSci investigate LENR. You scouted the place out, came to a conclusion, PopSci learned, and then it came to a conclusion on its own. If all news and politics worked like this, it'd be very slow but extremely efficient. If all journalism worked like this, I'd expect to see much fewer incorrect facts.
I'm glad that they spent the time going and seeing it for themselves. Yes, maybe they found just what you said they'd find, but they'd know it because they discovered it for themselves. I'm thankful for this article. It does a good job of staying partisan and informing me of LENR (which frankly I had no idea about).
I may have to retract my former statement, but I do so with my head held high. Whatever catalyst Rossini made must either be unknown to science, or one that has been ignored...
"Some researchers continue to investigate cold fusion,[6][11] now often preferring the designation low-energy nuclear reactions (LENR).[12][13] Some have reported that, "under certain extreme conditions", they observe excess heat effects by interaction of hydrogen or deuterium with palladium, nickel or platinum. [14] Since cold fusion articles are rarely published in refereed scientific journals, the results do not receive as much scrutiny as more mainstream topics"
(Wikipedia, Cold Fusion)
Now if we take the "under certain extreme conditions" as Rossini's catalyst (doubtful, though acetone cane heat copper to an ungodly high heat) then it could be capable...
Not PROBABLE, as we know anything is possible with science (still waiting on exo's), but this little black box might work...
StephenD.Alvarez, thank you. I lost myself there for a moment, I try to stay neutral as much as possible, and somewhat reeled from the suddenness of this announcement.
I expected something like this to be announced on other branches of the mainstream media. Fox news or so.
Ergo, I apologize (in absencia, I doubt Rossini reads PopSci) to the inventor. I still say that it is unlikely though.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Mark Twain
I may have to retract my former statement, but I do so with my head held high. Whatever catalyst Rossini made must either be unknown to science, or one that has been ignored...
"Some researchers continue to investigate cold fusion,[6][11] now often preferring the designation low-energy nuclear reactions (LENR).[12][13] Some have reported that, "under certain extreme conditions", they observe excess heat effects by interaction of hydrogen or deuterium with palladium, nickel or platinum. [14] Since cold fusion articles are rarely published in refereed scientific journals, the results do not receive as much scrutiny as more mainstream topics"
(Wikipedia, Cold Fusion)
Now if we take the "under certain extreme conditions" as Rossini's catalyst (doubtful, though acetone cane heat copper to an ungodly high heat) then it could be capable...
Not PROBABLE, as we know anything is possible with science (still waiting on exo's), but this little black box might work...
StephenD.Alvarez, thank you. I lost myself there for a moment, I try to stay neutral as much as possible, and somewhat reeled from the suddenness of this announcement.
I expected something like this to be announced on other branches of the mainstream media. Fox news or so.
Ergo, I apologize (in absencia, I doubt Rossini reads PopSci) to the inventor. I still say that it is unlikely though.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Mark Twain
From what I'm reading, this guy definitely seems shady. I mean, his actions are not of someone who has a real functional product. The argument seems to be whether or not this product is a type of fusion. It really doesn't matter if it is, or is not. If it is capable of achieving the ultimate goal of sustainable energy, then it is a great product that needs to be appreciated for what it is, and what it does. Results are all that matter here. I still say that his requests for funding based on trust, rather than proven results, are that of an untrustworthy individual. You never quite know. He may have good reason for secrecy. Personally, I would not invest in him under current conditions that are demanded. And I'm not sure this story is anything but smoke. I'll try to remain open minded, it sounds like somebody is making progress either way.
We are living an enthusiasming period.
Why serious people don't even take what is happening as a risk seems a mystery, yet I know it is normal.
I've make an open letter after National instruments commitment to LENR at NIWeek, Celani Demo and Defkalion paper at ICCF17
http://www.lenrnews.eu/?p=764
you could get many data about recent and older history.
recently the big news have been the independent test make by Michael A. Nelson of NASA, for New Energy Foundation...
Test is not fantastic, but it is independent, made by someone having already bashed Rossi for his loose testings, and the energy produced without doubt exclude a chemical source...
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=749
This winter conference of American Nuclear Society will see, like NIWeek, a LENR session (by Mitsubishi).
EPRI just published a small (and not so fantastic) report that confirms that LENR anomalous heat is real...
Hunt Utility Group, in the scope of Martin Fleischmann memorial Project, try to replicate (with a European team including LENr Cars company, and Mathieu Valat), is preparing to replicate Celani reactor.
There are many interesting story to re-read.
The gas-permeation experiment of NASA GRC are funny, since today they claim that they proved it was working in 89, while the report was not so conclusive, and was kept in a drawer until a Chinese and a French lab reproduced it, and Spawar stated to make noise with it's co-deposition electrolysis protocol...
The story of Eugene Mallove and MIT is a dramatic saga that could be the frame for a great Hollywood series.
Just the CV of Celani, and his lost occasion to publish the first paper on high temperature superconductivity, is so instructive on today's dysfunction of science community.
Cold Fusion is not Fringe, it is expected classic physics, simply ignored for human reasons.
I find many explanation of that psycho-pathology in Roland Benabou work, lie his "patterns of denial" and "groupthink: collective delusion in organizations and markets"
best regards
Wasn't this around since like 2006?
Pretty sure it's a major scam.
If Rossi is a "Scam" who is he scamming? Its ridiculous to call someone a scammer unless someone is being scammed. How can a scam artist scam anyone with a product like that? Its ludicrous. He either has what he says he has or doesn't. There is no in between here. Who in their right mind would buy a product without knowing whether or not it works? Its so stupid I can't believe people buy into the "Scam" argument. With all the focus on Rossi how could he ever perpetuate a scam on a subject like this. Its asinine.
P.S. If this is the state of Scientific Inquiry we are headed into another dark age.
Great article Pop Sci!
Regarding the comments, all I have to say is PEARLS BEFORE SWINE
@Karl99 Thanks for the link, very informative… I will repost if you don’t mind.
http://www.slideshare.net/tylervan/lenr
Personally, I think Mr. Rossi is either a scam artist or possibly one of the stupidest person on the planet.
I do know that it is very difficult for someone without a PHD to introduce any scientific breakthrough.
Take a look at this youtube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIaRaDyxdkk&feature=g-upl
I am not a scam artist, but i can definitely tell you that it is VERY hard to raise money for even a legitimate idea.
Larry P Kelley
www.ict-inc.com
www.kelleylabs.com
www.shelbygemfactory.com
I got to say this. Whoever Maryyugo is, that's an evil person. Like the nemesis in any good story MIT physics department, Krivit, Maryyugo and their ilk. Like Mozarts Antonio Salieri will go down in history as such.
Why do the aliens always choose such crazy people to impart the knowledge of the Universe, Just because they got it right once, with that Albert guy.
materhorn opined:
"My prediction is that in time Andrea Rossi will be considered a major figure in the history of science.
I have studied his work carefully over the last couple of years, and found that there is plenty of evidence, including confirmation from third party testers, that he has discovered a way to produce energy that is superior to anything currently on the market.
It's not surprising to see doubts and skepticism, but I think in time they will fade when more information comes orward and working products are put to work."
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The first rule of scientific research is "No one works in a vacuum". If Rossi chooses to limit access to his research, then he (and his supporters) have no basis to complain if he is relegated to the crackpot corner. And Rossi knows this.
Rossi is either very close to grabbing his proverbial brass ring or he is a crackpot. We may never know. Science doesn't offer a third choice if a person intends to work within the scientific community.
Venture capitaists understand the need to be tight-lipped. They rarely invest their money without evidence of what their money is buying.
My congratulations to Mr. Featherstone. I've read many articles about Andrea Rossi and his fabled eCat, but this is the best one.
I know you can't come flat out and call Rossi a fraud, but you came as close as you could without inviting libel.
Rossi is currently scamming licensee investors in at least Germany, Italy and Australia. It sad to see that there are so many credulous, naive and gullible folks who are consumed with greed and driven by wild dreams.
The eCat is third pseudoscience scheme run by Rossi. The Petroldragon waste to oil scam did not produce a drop of oil. The thermoelectric conversion device he claimed never attained more than 1% of the output he claimed. Now it's his cold fusion eCat (except he's now saying it's not actually cold fusion).
How many times can a con-man fool people? The answer is "at least three times".
It's sad seeing Popular "Science" authors no longer reporting science anymore. Why not change the name of the magazine to "Popular Myths". You are wasting readers time in reporting fiction, rather than real sound scientific work from credible people. Take a hint from Gizmag.
Sincerely-
Disgusted Reader
I suggest that everyone read this presentation made at the recent ICCF-17 conference (the published paper is not yet available) :
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/papers/Dominguez-Anomalous-Results-Slides-ICCF17.pdf
(The spam filter is complaining about that link : REMOVE the "WWW." from this one
http://WWW.newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/papers/Dominguez-Anomalous-Results-Slides-ICCF17.pdf
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D.D. Dominguez, D.A. Kidwell, G.K. Hubler, S-F Cheng, M.A. Imam, K.S. Grabowski and D.L. Knies
U.S. Naval Research Laboratory Washington, DC 20375
(plus co-authors)
Slide 1 : Bottom Line:
• Large excess power (≥ 1kJ) events generated in 5% of Pd90Rh10 cathodes
• Failed to DISPROVE these results (imply) excess heat results observed at NRL are real!
eg Slide 10 : 10 kJ over 90 minutes – 140% excess
eg Slide 14 : Gain ~ 40X (ie MORE than Rossi is claiming)
"Potentially useful level of excess power!"
eg Slide 18 : Excess power >> stored chemical energy
( ">>" means MUCH greater)
Conclusions (Slide 20)
In Fleischmann-Pons type electrochemical experiments, we see
unexplained production of
-- Excess heat without radiation
-- RF correlated with large excess heat events
Source and mechanism of FPE unknown, BUT heat production
-- Is NOT chemical in origin as heat is too large
-- Is NOT an instrumental artifact - Instrumentation is working correctly!!
-- Nothing we do can make the instrumentation misbehave
FPE currently reproducible only about 5% of the time, but real science is present
Alan Fletcher -- lenr.qumbu.com
Nice article...
Wish they would post a date created beside the posters user name...
Meant to say the date the user name was created...Could be very insightful....
If you're talking about me -- today, specifically to respond to this article.
I'm Alanf777 on numerous forums -- if you want to see my attempt to get the popsci (and similar) articles into wiki, see :
The Francesco Celani experiment needs some attention in this article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cold_fusion#The_Francesco_Celani_experiment_needs_some_attention_in_this_article.
I've been actively following the Rossi saga since January 2011, initially posting on physorg, and then on the vortex mailing list.
Alan Fletcher -- lenr.qumbu.com
bunkyhill
Many kooky designs can cause limited barely detectable fusion reactions because the smallest bits of energy/matter is in fills every cubic femto-meter of the universe. All dark energy and matter, plasma, gas, liquid, solid, and so called empty space are included. It transfers ellectro-matic matter through space and forms all the subatomic matter needed to build everything in the universe. It accounts for all, 100%, of the universe except for a few million scientists and/or experts. Chemical reactions are allowed by fission and/or fusion reactions, exerted energy causes FF reactions. When Planck sized matter surround by energy is split or combined, the energy redistributes to restore equilibrium. These simple? actions results in the "generation" of energy.
Now everyone, before you slam, keep this in mind...
The man was a scam artist, and he comes up with this just out of the blue? I keep an open mind, but this IS fishy.
Now I maintain that he could have done it, unlikely, but he could have and it might be the energy wave of the future. Or not because oil companies will scream bloody murder over it. Why do you think there are so many sanctions against nuclear power? Oil company lobbyists.
Now if he will just allow someone to come near it with a Geiger counter and the spectrometer, and it proves that cold fusion IS occurring, I'll send this man my bottom dollar to fund the creation of these. Other wise.... sorry, proof man, gimme something.
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Mark Twain
I won't believe it until I see it on a Ron Popeil infomercial.
I won't talk about Rossi or anyone else. I'll address facts rather than individuals. Just look at the things. Wrapped in foil, anything can be inside. From batteries, potassium or other alkali metals and water, a sterling engine, or even a plain old gasoline engine in there put together in a unique way so it doesn't look like it can be one. Who knows? The imagination could run wild. Seances can be quite remarkable and convincing. All good cons are. At the core of science is reproducibility. (Patents protect invention, while allowing reproducibility.) Otherwise, someone is selling something. Remember the little girl that sells apples for a million dollars each - she only has to sell one.
"...a history as a convicted scam artist..."
Really...do we need to know any more than this???
http://www.rainydaymagazine.com
"We Entertain When It Rains"
killerT
10/23/12 at 11:16 am
"So if an Italian scientist fails at something as big as cold fusion will he be sentenced to death?"
And why should he be sentenced to death ? No one ever was.
Most probably he will make money on the film that will be made about him.
Is it a coincidence that this is being done in a city whose name has a secondary slang meaning of BS? I wanted it to be true but gave up on it a year ago. I was hoping that an article written a year later might give me some new news.
There is a new form of nuclear energy generators coming from the US that will be commercially available next year. There is almost zero mention of it in any media. It isn't nearly as glamorous as cold fusion, but much much better than nuclear fission reactors. It doesn't create nuclear waste that is radioactive for centuries and very dangerous, and it doesn't have any potential for being simultaneously used for weapons since there is no need to enrich uranium. And yes this is very legitimate and there is no question over is realness. But, the IAEA will be in charge of determining who is eligible and who isn't. Hence you won't be hearing much about it, if they can help it. How could they possibly reveal an energy source which would nullify the need for any more nuclear reactors necessary? That would give them no choice but to come up with a diplomatic solution to Iran and less chance at forcing a puppet politician onto them.
I am willing to accept that the creation outputs excess energy, so far; BUT, what's inside the thing? I also have a problem with the article associating this creation with genuine cold fusion research. The only connection this creation has with cold fusion is that the guy says it's a cold fusion device; but what's inside the thing?
His invention generates a large amount of excess heat far more than any known chemical reaction could produce! It sounds very dangerous to me.I Know someone that can make the turbine spin and produce electricity using pure clean "CLEAR ENERGY".
clearenergy
10/26/12 at 2:53 am
"His invention generates a large amount of excess heat far more than any known chemical reaction could produce!"
Rossi's energy trick has already proven to be successful. But "the heat" one hears about is of a different kind. You all forgot to notice that the fuss regarding his invention has generated a lot of hot air. Now all is needed now is to find a method to get this hot air to heat up the boilers in the steam engines and the trains will roll.
Follow latest updates for LENR and E Cat / Rossi
www.lenrforum.eu/viewforum.php?f=26
For more businesses and startup in Cold Fusion race,
you should look at our Business section.
www.lenrforum.eu/viewforum.php?f=18
there are many section for the most active companies, like Defkalion, Brillouin, LENR cars, toyota, National isntruments...
and other like Mitsubishi, SAIPEM are quoted in few post
Rossi is only the most crazy and fascinating entrepreneur in a group of pioneer competing companies.
rossi is now claiming a cop of 2,which is almost worthless,unless it is very cheap to buy and operate
Headline : Rossi--a lone Italian inventor with (a) no real credentials and (b) a history as a convicted scam artist -- and repeated in other posts.
This really requires corrections :
a) He does have a degree from the University of Milan
(plus a mail-order degree from a US diploma mill -- but many others, including senior US officials were taken in by this)
b) He was acquitted:
Google translate : "Acquittal "because the crime does not exist" for Andrea Rossi, accused of conspiracy to commit money laundering of toxic and hazardous waste ... After years of investigation and controversy, Rossi was finally sanctioned only for minor events related to non-compliance with permits that had obtained for the disposal of waste.
(Another matter was still under appeal).
(My links to these link rejected --- see the Rossi entry on wiki)
Alan Fletcher -- lenr.qumbu.com
Why do people insist on spreading disinformation? Petrol dragon was a very sucessful business, it was churning out tonnes of oil! It produced so much that they bought their own refinery because outsourcing it was costing too much! They made many oil based products and even had a race car fueled by their own gas, in fact he was granted a permanent work visa by the current president for his achievments.
As for the thermal couple devices Rossi was contracted by the US Government to do a study on improving them, if you read the report they seem quite pleased about the work Rossi did.
I have done my own research on this subject and my suggestion to all who are interested in learning more, Do your own research and you will find truth, parrots only repeat what they hear.
PS Here's a link to a PetrolDragon that I feel is most accurate.
http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiPetroldragonStory.shtml
TESLA had the right ideas, read up on him he essentially says that the entire universe is full of energy now verified by Wilkinson Probe (WMAP)
Planck sized particles are equally spaced through he Universe They all vibrate at an angular frequency of 1.8e43 radians per second driven by the gravity force surrounding them. They combine to form ALL detectible matter
I must reiterate ALL reactions: chemical, mechanical, electrical, thermal, and even emotional require atomic fission and/or fusion.
TESLA found ways to increase the released energy by combining and/or separating the energy from the mater causing the energy to move to restore equilibrium.
Everyone is doing it BUT no one has conceived an economical harvesting technique and I cannot afford millions of dollars to prove it
Forget the criticism and get on with thinking, we are now SELF DISTRUCTING
Scam artist... Scam artist not... Whatever... Once Rossi sells a few items of his product (if he manages), the World would probably know in a few months from his paying customers (the real ones, not those he might get involved to play a role) if it works, or doesn't. Until then, there is no good reason to throw flames at each other.
P.S. OK, I ought to admit, the tone of my remark may suggest I'm in a "non-believer" camp. So what? Rossi's "unorthodox" approach to his development does make me wondering, indeed. If he manages to sell his product in numbers, kudos to him as a salesman. If his clients provide their positive feedback, Rossi's would be praised as a great engineer. Only after Rossi explains how his system works and provides full access to it for verification by the best in the field, he might get a credit as a scientist.
P.P.S Sorry for a "P.S." being longer than the remark above it. :)
The absolute refusal of Rossi relegates him to junk. Nothing has come from this so far and the first thing that must be done is empirical data of any energy by NASA or any reputable testing agency. Until then as was said earlier, move along, nothing to see here.
WWMD - what would mythbusters do?
if they were not allowed to open it up, i would suggest an experiment along the lines of making a circular train track, add a train with a steam engine, load the device, somehow attach the boiler or make a new boiler powered by the device, and let it run
I'm 13 so excuse my noobyness but I think we should give Rossi a chance because if hes not a fraud then this could/will be a huge turn for the century and alot of doors will open up. However first we must see or check if this isn't a joke, by that meaning like vmaldia said run a train with it.If we can't look inside then run some outside tests to see what else this black box can do.
This guy was busted on the 18th of this month, october 2012, for this con game. So this whole article is moot. I would like to know why PopSci even published this thing.
I made the discovery related to thermonuclear fusion in the Sun. The physics for 30 years. Chief scientific research department. I know the theory of LERN, Low-energy nuclear reaction. Create LERN-reactor difficult. Give a prestigious company, for free, under the contract.
I have never heard so many uninformed people on the subject of LENR! Please do your own research. This subject is threatening the status quo of many big money interests, therefore a lot of disinformation is being thrown out there.
Steve Featherstone: On balance a good article, maybe a little rough on Mr. Rossi, in the first paragraph you state he was convicted, but did not state then acquitted until the fifth page, I thought this unfair. You did not bring up the vital subject of why the patent agencies refuse to issue LENR patents, resulting in all the necessary secrecy by inventors/researchers.
PS On Mr. Rossi's conviction, we have to remember the Italian courts just convicted three weathermen to prison terms.
Edison was a BS artist too, but from pure determination and little scientific knowledge, he managed to stumble across some answers and invent things. Just give Rossi his "day in court" like all the others, it won't take long to see if he is lying. For now, investors should keep their wallet in the front pocket where they can keep an eye on it.
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Pump a lot of electricity into aluminum plates while your cryogenically freezing them, I'd do the experiment but unfortunately I don't have access to a lab that can get it cold enough for it to work and the colder I made the aluminum the more electricity I would add to it. This might create a fusion reaction of some sort because the atoms of the aluminum would be vibrating like crazy under these extreme conditions.
While I try to stay logically neutral in most arguments, Rossi's outright refusal to let people examine his e-cat is most suggestive. If he doesn't want the snakes (what he calls skeptics) invading his lawn, why won't he give them "the secret formula"? His credibility is at stake here.
Rossi is leading a religious cult hooked on hopium. The whole charade is a scam. Defkalion is just as bad as Rossi IMHO, and one could easily conclude that the drama created between the two is only generated as a helpful aside to both their scams.
Rossi really lost a TON of credibility when the actual schematics to his ecat were published on the web.
http://thetimchannel.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/e-cat-schematics-leaked-to-public/
Enjoy.
Mary Yugo has made many false or misleading comments about NanoSpire in the past. Her comment about Serge Lebid and I's radiation sickness not being properly documented is a lie. I do not take kindly to suffering through three years of radiation sickness and have thugs like Mary Yugo call our radiation sickness into question. We had SKY radiation dosimetry performed by McMaster University that showed we both had multiple chromosome breaks and translocations from radiation exposure. Yugo is a friend of the NRL group and has repeatedly tried to help cover up for their wrongdoing. They invited us to an experiment at NRL that was rigged and we received a second radiation exposure from an experiment that we were led to think wasn't working when it was. None of the things NRL promised were delivered. They claimed they would have a gamma ray spectrometer ready after cooling it down over the weekend preceding our visit. This never happened and they produced a cheap hand held gamma detector instead. The gamma ray spectrometer would have proven the creation of transmuted material because of the specific gamma signature of each isotope produced. We were never given dosimeters either, a violation of Federal Law on their part, we were told other radiation experiments were going on besides ours in the lab where dosimeters are always required. The promised radiation shielding, but this wasn't provided either.
Yugo also falsely claimed that the Navy tested our device for comparison against Rossi, this isn't true either. We were doing basic research together with no intent of making any comparisons.
Yugu also claims I'm somehow against the Navy, this couldn't be further from the truth. I'm a former top hydrodynamicist at Lockheed Missiles and Space Company who worked on the underwater launch of the Trident Missiles from nuclear subs. I received commendations from both the Navy and from Lockheed for my work with the Navy on their most sensitive technology. I'm a trusted member of the defense community, that's how I got invited to do the experiment at NRL in the first place. Ed Pope, a famous former Naval Intelligence officer who is NanoSpire's advisor, backs our claims and has stated publicly that the staff at NRL and others at the Navy know and respect our work.
Popular Science and other main stream media continue to ignore the large body of evidence we have presented that we ignited fusion in ordinary water with the LeClair Effect (see www.nanospireinc.com)and push Rossi and others, who have shown nothing. Rossi was not invited to do experiments with NRL, but NanoSpire was.
I recently presented my work, “Discovery Of Macrocationic Crystalline H2O Cavitation Reentrant Jets & Their Role In Cavitation Zero Point Energy, Fusion & The Origin Of Life” at the 7th Annual Conference on the Physics, Chemistry and Biology of Water, as an invited speaker. The audience included a Nobel Laureate and physiscists who work at CERN. It was very well received and nearly everyone who saw our data presented came up to me afterwards to tell me that they were overwhelmingly convinced that we ignited fusion with cavitation. People got to see and inspect the reactor core transmuted material and other hard evidence for themselves. Not the black box approach Rossi and the others use to cover up either their lack of technology or to hide technology stolen from NanoSpire and handed to them by rogue members of the Navy.
Even if this guy is a complete fraud, I enjoyed reading this article more than any other on Pop Sci for a long time. Isn't this what the magazine is about - a equal mix of science/unknown/entertainment? The comments, which are sometimes the most interesting part of the articles on this site, are pretty boring to me for this article. Anyway, that is just me....
Good God, everybody bickering back and forth waving their credentials around, name calling, arguing over this point or that... Would somebody just buy one of these things and test it out already...
I don't understand why the pseudosceptics are so adamant in assuring all that Rossi is a liar, con-artist, and psychopath.
@ kevin56
10/25/12 at 3:05 pm
"Venture capitaists understand the need to be tight-lipped. They rarely invest their money without evidence of what their money is buying."
and that is what will tell the tale; there is only one test that indicates success/failure in our culture. It is not whether 'mainstream' science will publish your research. It is not whether or not you can convince critics who have nothing better to do than criticize what they have not seen, seemingly ignorant of the fact that it is generally accepted that it is impossible to prove a universally applicable negative condition.
What it IS is whether or not someone will pay you for what you're offering, repeatedly, over and over again.
And the point where soi-disant cold fusion will have to put up or shut up is rapidly approaching.
Well one thing I think everybody can agree on is that if Rossi does prove out, then something is clearly wrong with the way we do science.
And a lot of people should be fired.
Credentials don't always mean everything. Cold fusion would be a huge new breakthrough, no matter who it comes from. I find it just as intriguing as how energy and matter can allow me to think about it, freely.
Whether or not this is real, cold fusion is a possibility that should not be neglected. While there are things that the laws of Physics disallow, there are usually loopholes too, like the Cosmic Speedlimit and compressing/decompressing space.
Like any other board, I see a ton of sniping and name calling going on here. With respect to Mr. Rossi, I hope he is onto something new. The Petroleum Institute along with Los Alamos would more than likely love to see him dead than to lose trillions of dollars from the Feds here, not to mention warhead capability from fission reactors. And to think Popular Science once had an issue talking about everyone having a small nuclear thermo electric generator buried in their basements...not far fetched at all. Our whole grid would be altered if only Thorium substations were localized. What held that up? Wanna ask the NRC why they won't license thorium reactors. Oh I forgot...they don't produce waste in large amounts.
Sorry to have to mention this but it is the 21st.century and anyone with a nano-brain knows the world doesn't run by teletype and a 3pm newspaper anymore. NSA = No Secrets Anymore. To be honest, most of the innovations that we have were tripped over, not by a massive undertaking of highly educated scientists. When a kid in middle school can gather up smoke detectors, take em apart, and have a "hot" garage to be carted off by the Feds, then the science community is lagging in the innovation department. It's hard for me to believe anyone with a degree would walk into an unknown situation without a dosimeter. I'm well versed in RF myself but I wouldn't stand in front of a radar while it's operating. From what the author mentioned here, someone at Rossi's demonstration did pick up some gamma radiation on a device so Mr.Rossi is up to something. I can comprehend why he couldn't achieve a patent too. The laws today are skewed by the people with the most to lose.
How many people thought Einstein was "out there" ? I never did but I still wonder why nothing can't go faster than the speed of light yet X-rays can escape from black holes. Maybe if an asteriod hits the sun at the right angle, something will hit the earth in less than 8 minutes...that would screw up a few people's observations.
Good luck Mr Rossi. Buy some lead shielding.
Mark LeClair is, as usual, completely confused. I never said ANYTHING whatsoever about his company or him and NRL. I have no connection and have never had any connection with NRL. I never said anything about the Navy testing his claims against Rossi's. In short virtually everything he says I wrote is completely incorrect. If not, please Mark, show the quotes and links. Otherwise it's bullsh*t from you as usual.
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What I said is that you never presented medical records or investigation records or other adequate evidence of radiation sickness. I still claim that. Again, if it's not true, show the medical records and the results of investigations. Radiation exposure sufficient to harm health in the United States is reportable. It doesn't just happen in a vacuum. It's always thoroughly investigated. Yours wasn't. I think you made it up.
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As for your claims for fusion, far as I know, those claims have never been independently tested or replicated. Like most such poorly documented and unproven claims, they are most likely false.
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The only thing I know about Ed Pope is from the reviews of his book on Amazon. Most are dismal. Here is a typical review: "If Ed Pope was not spying, the Russians should have locked him up for profound manifestation of delusions of grandeur. This guy has an extraordinary ego ... . When I get the stomach to finish this book, I want to go back and count the number of times Ed declares himself "right" when everyone else was wrong.
Did our military really approve 126 top-secret clearances for this guy? If so, this issue raises serious questions about our national security. I suspect the navy was as sick of Ed as you will be (if you buy this book), and to pacify his passion for intrigue, declared any trivial tidbit of knowledge Ed possessed as "top secret."
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I still maintain (and that's all I said before) that your story of radiation exposure isn't credible and that there is no evidence that you have produced table top fusion, LENR, cold fusion or anything like it. When you get proper replication and peer reviewed mainline journal publication, let us know. Until then, please stop misquoting me. It reduces your credibility even beyond the low level it is now.
One more thing, Mark. You claimed on your web site that "Mark LeClair and Serge Lebid discovered that the scaled-up LeClair Effect reactor was triggering intense fusion, fission and large scale elemental transmutation using ordinary water. The 1.25” ID by 12” long reactor produced 2.9 kW of hot water using only 840 watts of input, a coefficient of performance (COP) of 3.4 times more energy out than in..."
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That was in 2009!! Why has this not been commercially developed in the ensuing more than 4 years? Why has it not been independently replicated and published (if it has, please say when and where and provide a link)? Same questions for the experiment you claim produced millions of neutrons.
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Do you really expect people to believe that you performed work in 2009 which would have won you a Nobel prize and nothing has happened to that work since then?
I have to wonder why all these 'black boxes' are both black and cube-like in shape. I feel, like most perpetual motion machines, this one runs on a nine volt battery. I, like moist people, feel this techknowledgly (whoops, spellt wrong) is long over-due and much needed in our time of fossill-fuel expenses, and ever-increasing carbon feetprints. Let us collectively pray this is no hoax, that our future may be positively enhanced by the hard and devoted effort of these gifted men and women. Personally, I want to see one work.......though I have a hard time saying that about myself these days :)
n A. Rossi, the result is or not??
Who tells the truth?
"Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist of NASA Langley, who says that LENR is one of the most promissing future energy sources."
In the 1990s Dennis Bushnell told me and my associates that:
1) The Chinese had installed remote-controlled kill-bots which were lying in wait under water on our continental shelves, and
2) Americans had already walked on Mars.
During this speech the other NASA people in the room were trying to pretend they weren't there.
This sound like a visionary to you, or something else?
How I wish someone would write a fair, balanced, complete, and accurate article about this controversy. When an author repeatedly gets mW mixed with MW I question their abilities. What ever happened to editors?
The article repeats the usual blather. Rossi committed fraud. In fact he produced bio-diesel that he sold and those who bought the products were also entangled by the laws that were written to come down on him as he and they were horning in on the Italian Mafia's lucrative business of waste disposal. The definition of all the products as toxic waste gives less honest people the option of saying he produced toxic waste not useful product (Rossi's prosecutor speaks with forked tongue). He was acquitted after a review of the case by a less corrupt judge.
If this is a hoax it is a very elaborate one the involves much more openness than the average hoax or fraud, and the use of the inventor's money. I understand Rossi is taking money from those with deep pockets but they have the means to preform due-diligence and are responsible for their shallow brains.
I took a real interest in this after hearing of the participation of Drs. Essen and Kulandar of the Swedish Skeptics Society and whom declared it to be a nuclear process. I parsed the published data and feel there is something there and am doubtful that Rossi could have jiggered the wires and such to produce bogus results (certainly not with so many people checking things, which they did in fact do). The story about water going down the drain is perfectly correct as you would expect steam a 101 C to condense as it travels down the hose toward the drain. I've seen the other "analysis" of the results and they are shamefully amateurish. When Drs. Essen and Kulandar throw in the towel on this story so too will I.
I am puzzled by Rossi. I suspect he was severely damaged by his persecution and imprisonment and what he says should be taken with a grain of salt. As for the cast of commentators on this board they are: those who have just now heard of this need to be skeptical, the pathological posters need to get psychological help, and the rest of us should try to get along and have an open, honest discussion.
For those who have been following this for a while you might enjoy a bit of humor about the whole affair: deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/2012/03/waiting-for-e-cat.html
I think I will need to write a third act soon.
Excellent scientific summary report of the 20 years of research into LENR - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VymhJCcNBBc - Uploaded on Apr 28, 2011. 63 minutes. Presentation slides: http://www.bisbee.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SPAWAR-MAY-9-2009.pdf
Dec 17, 2012 Swedish television show on LENR and Rossi translated to English - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHXc7NNMiWo. 29 minutes.