The Man Who Would Stop Time

Bill Andrews has teamed up with John Anderson, at Isagenix International, who have collaborated on a product that will support and protect telomeres. More to come in August. Keep posted at www.abodycleanse.isagenix.com, www.stayoung.info/ or e-mail me for more info and product flyer: melpatton@comcast.net. I can put you on my waiting list to be among the first to get this product when it becomes available at the end of August.

"Andrews made the decision last September to cut a deal with John W. Anderson, the founder of Isagenix, an Arizona-based “network marketing” supplement company. "

Seriously? He had no option other than to resort to a slimy network marketing scheme to raise capital? If that is the case then he most certainly has a tarnished reputation among legitimate investors.

'Network Marketing, also known as multi-level marketing is nothing more than a pyramid scheme which makes a small cadre of usually early entrants wealthy through feeding off those lower in the pyramid. Notice that the second commenter here is clearly an Isagenyx huckster working off of the hype.

So the man who hopes to cure aging would have us calling up our Grandmothers, distant cousins and long lost friends to buy a pill with 'telomere supporting' properties, while he gets rich? Count me out.

And btw, does the man not know that endurance athletes typically have shorter than average life spans which recent research indicates is likely attributable to heart muscle scarring?

@ Majoris what peoples realy think about pyramid scheme ..see video youtu.be/zZiw15VgWoI

D13: Overpopulation is a myth. There wouldn't be 20 billions even if all people magically became immortal in a moment.

Resaon 1. When people realize they can live longer and prolong their youth, and should be economically prepared for delayed (or no) retirement and lifelong education, they will have far less stimuli to have kids, or will delay that for decades.

Reason 2. Preventing loss of already skilled, high valued professionals (economic surplus) and turning them into disabled old (economic burden) helps increase net economic result for all and per capita.

Reason 3. Longevity expectancy shifts human psychology from short-term values to long-term ones. There will be far less unneeded risk, far less "now or never" decisions, far more moral responsibility (because one has more chances to meet the consequences of their past actions), more intelligence, more environmental care, social volunteering, less racial and other segregation etc. etc. This all is true when we compare current relatively long-lived countries with short-lived ones. To be better, we need to live longer.

So why do you expect these responsible people should behave as irresponsibly in making babies as their short-lived parent did? Like in the past we moved from large family to small one, with longevity and reguvenation we will achieve even more family planning abilities. We just won't hurry to reproduce more than economically and socially reasonable. Perhaps in some far future we will reach 20 billion or more — after some radical increases in space colonization, resource utilization etc. — but today there's no reason to fear overcrowding the planet. People are smart, and when they live longer, they become even more smarter.

@vovix, your statements may be true but you may also create a widening gap in classes, upper classes lives logner produes less offspring, retains money, low-lower middle class dies faster more offspring larger percentage of lower class people. this would have drrastic and immediate affects on our society and species

Morality and population issues aside, it's sad to see this research get pawned off on Network Marketing. I can see this working in opposition to the desired effect. Taking known chemicals and giving them to a shady marketing firm is going to tarnish the value in the public eye. People are going to buy these items expecting wonderful things, and when they don't work, the whole idea is going to get a bad image. Then come time for the real, full powered medicine to come out, people are going to be skeptical of it due to the lack of effect the previous rendition had.

The Science is there, the work is there, handing this over is akin to letting Big Oil tell you what's best with for electric cars and non-oil based automotive fuels.

Playing Devil's Advocate since 1978

"The only constant in the universe is change"
-Heraclitus of Ephesus 535 BC - 475 BC

So our DNA wise, we begin death at age 52 approximately; at least the decline to death begins. But to cure this we would live to be 150ish. So my question is having your experiences of life and education and now you see you have a 100 year more life ahead of you, what NEW choices would you make for you 100 year future?

@vovix, I understand where you are coming from, but your statements are highly idealistic and contain much oversight.

Reason 1- This is not a means to prolong youth. Life as we know it will remain the same until our telomeres become short enough to need to be modified. That is to say we are not stretching out the continuum of our lives but rather adding to the farther end, and it remains uncertain what kinds of effects this will have. In terms of less stimuli to have kids, these drugs will not alter our biological clocks and as such women will still need to have children at a normal age.

Reason 2- This statement is the most sensible, but only for the introduction of longevity enhancement. Eventually everything will catch up and there will be a new bottleneck at some new age where the population becomes an economic burden.

Reason 3- The whole now or never argument really doesn't hold any water. The percentage of people that would benefit from this would be low if the drug were available today. The reason for this is that there would have to be a major shift in society towards working for this extended longevity. A change in lifestyle for the majority of people would be necessary because other causes of death are more prevalent like cancer and heart disease, and I am not so sure that people would change everything for a few extra years when they still may get hit by the bus on their way to work tomorrow. For the people that do live healthy; yes this will benefit them.
In terms of moral responsibility, some people will see things opposite from you where living longer only means more chances to do wrong for self gain. Not all people are inherently good, and this needs to be taken into account.

Immortality is not always good news. Do you really want George Bush, Hitler, Palin, Chaney, Bin Ladin or Reagan to live for ever? That's what I thought.

The largest viable gain option for this tech is space travel/exploration.

@razgriz3, right now the tech might not allow for prolonged youth, but once mastered it would, since cellular aging occurs due to telomere shortening, which happens the second the first cell splits, it's a halflife not "ok until it gets short". Right now, only those that take this "medicine" at it's full potential will slow/stop where they are in the aging process. But, combine this research with that of genetic regeneration that is being done on lab rats, and we can turn the halflife clock back to split one. This would effectively allow for a massively prolonged life span, and put into a situation where the subjects are placed in a form of hibernation, with these regenerating substances cycled through their bodies, they could be "stored" indefinatly, this opens up many doors for interstellar exploration!

@Bubba, same thing, the telomere caps start to shorten with the very first split, it's only when the length becomes too short to maintain adhesion that we start to see cellular death due to age. What would I do if I had 110+ more years... Not really sure actually. Go back to school and get a few more degrees in this or that.

Playing Devil's Advocate since 1978

"The only constant in the universe is change"
-Heraclitus of Ephesus 535 BC - 475 BC

They say death begin in the colon. I do recommend to anyone to eat much fiber in your daily life. If you busy and find this impossible, take Bennyfiber or Medimucal. Nothing bad in you bathroom habits will happen. And for those who have problems in the bathroom, most likely life will be come normal and you will be just fine! :)

@Vovix

Even without increasing the average person's life span, the human race is heading for an overpopulation crisis. We are expanding exponentially. The number of babies born in the past ten years is approximately equivalent to the entire world population 200 years ago.

Reason 1. So you say that potentially living to 100 isn’t enough, but the prospect of living to 150 will suddenly cause people to change the way they live their lives? I don’t see it. People don’t make life decisions based on longevity. They are more influenced by societal influences and "what I want now" than logic. People delay having kids because what they are doing now (career, school) is more important to them.

Reason 2. Economies would have to grow even faster to employ all of the new workers entering the workforce and with fewer of the older workers leaving.

Reason 3. The young do not plan for the future regardless if they live to 50 or 100. What 20 year old seriously thinks about where they will be when they are 50? Adding another 50 years to their outlook will not change this. People in developed countries live longer because of their economic situation. I categorize a longer life span as more of an “effect” than a “cause”.

“So why do you expect these responsible people should behave as irresponsibly in making babies as their short-lived parent did?”

In developed countries the fertility rate is usually around 1 to 2. In impoverished countries, it is anywhere from 4 to 7. So why do people that can least afford to feed and care for their children have the most offspring? Because humans do not rationally plan their lives.

I don’t believe the population crisis will occur until after my death, unless there is a dramatic increase in human longevity. Then things could come to a head quite quickly. As the overpopulation begins to cause economic difficulty, the fertility rate will rise as more and more people become impoverished. The cycle feeds upon itself.

I just google to find the world population today:

International Data Base
Population Clocks
U.S. 311,901,438
World 6,952,970,166
19:15 UTC (EST+5) Aug 02, 2011

http://www.census.gov/population/international/

The telomerase pill should only be available with sex-specific hormones. Estrogens and progestins or testosterone and progestins. In this way, the hormones will shut off the release of eggs in females or the production of sperm in males. Problem solved.

Live and let die.

Make love not war.

".....One of the most intriguing facts in the Bible is the immense life spans of the patriarchs before and just after the flood. Adam lived 930 years, Methuselah the longest lived of the patriarchs lived 969 years. Noah lived 950 years...." So how was life different for these people to live so long? What has changed between then and now? Perhaps I should not mention these names in PoPSCi, but well it just seems life was different in the past and a written record of it ( The bible ) suggested it was different. So, I like to know scientifically, what changed?

@Boka

ISWYDT troll!!!

@ Boka

It's a shame you have such bitterness in your heart. That too, will shorten a person's life. The people you mentioned don't have anything to do with anything in this article. Are you implying that one is them controls you, that one of them is your Master? If so, that is a bond you must break in order for you to be free. If you still wish to be owned by them, then it is you that is saying "I want to be a slave."

It's your choice. Be free.

Have a nice day.

GreyBeard
Quantum Mechanic

What's the big deal about extending human lifespan to 150? All that research and that's still decades away. If it could be extended to a thousand years, then you're talking business.
It seems like Bill Andrews is superhuman right now. He routinely runs 100 miles without even getting tired and through Death Valley yet. I've never heard of an athletic achievement that's even close to that in magnitude. It seems like Andrews will live forever with the telomeres he has now.
Another reason not to want to extend life is that it will just mean having to work more years. If life is extended to 150, retirement age will be increased to 125. Until technology advances astronomically and we're able to travel through galaxies like The Jetsons, there'll be no reason to want to live indefinitely. The scattershot technology that exists now has taken none of the drudgery out of life and in fact added more.

all the long timers have a deep connection to the spiritual. Using a drug like a telomerase blocker will only give you cancer. (it failed fda approval and was discovered like 5 or so years ago) Isagenix is a "cleanse" and pyrmaid scheme. Most cleanses are bad for the liver among other things shortening lifespans. Your body naturally detoxifies. Gotta agree with greybeard, happiness and peace is longevity and no matter how much money you have you cant buy your way into the longtimers club.

For whatever it's worth, best of luck. It's going to happen, and I hope it's because of you.

We'll have plenty of land after we terraform Mars.

@codezero I am not so sure about your "half-life hypothesis".From what I have learned telemores basically consist of junk DNA that contains no vital information or genes; it is there due to the fact that over time they will in fact shorten and as such can act as a buffer which will last the cells lifespan.
If your theory were true then in order for these drugs to have the desired effect it would be necessary to be taking them your whole life. As you say with the first division comes telomere shortening, so it would be necessary to rebuild the telomeres at every cell division to prevent damage. Likewise, if the drugs were taken later in life and, as you say, damage has already been done, there would be no regenerative properties, only protection in the future. I would like to hear what you think.

"......So if the coding part of our DNA makes up less than 5 percent of our entire genome, what about the other 95 percent of our DNA? The other 95 percent of our DNA, which scientists have dubbed non-coding DNA, has no known function and is also referred to by scientists as "junk DNA........."

@razgriz3, read up on it, each time these specialized chromosome caps split, their total lifespan shortens.

@Bubbagump... Those "lifespans" in the bible are gross exaggerations, product of the "fish was (------) this big"

Playing Devil's Advocate since 1978

"The only constant in the universe is change"
-Heraclitus of Ephesus 535 BC - 475 BC

@Bubba, I was just thinking about those numbers, I would be willing to bet those were month counts originally, which is still a very long life span for the time. When most people were lucky to live to be 30, 900 months is 75 years. Easy to see how if someone lived 2+ normal lifetimes how it could be easy to think they lived much much longer.

Just some thoughts.

Playing Devil's Advocate since 1978

"The only constant in the universe is change"
-Heraclitus of Ephesus 535 BC - 475 BC

@codezero, the names of the people I quoted came before the flood. How long ago was the flood, unknown. We do know a worldly flood happen in the past; great quantity of different cultures recorded this in their history and differnt religions. How long these people actually lived, unknown. Still, currently a great quantity of people believe the bible as a truth, so I just can't discount it as being wrong. But taking the bible with a grain of salt, people live an exceptional long time and I wonder to myself how did the people or the enviroment change to cause humans now to have shorter life spans, that's all. Perhaps if we really understood what change ( new viruses showed up or those who survived after the flood had a different DNA make up or the chemical compisition of the earth change after the flood), then we really could understand our limitations in life and then begin to extend it to be longer.

When I said, taking the bible with a grain of salt, I did not mean any type of disrespect to the bible. The bible says the world was flooded and only Noah and family survived. But obvisously many people across the world survived. Personally, I believe the bible is about growing our inner soul and spirit and not to be taken to literal. Of science buffs like to disgreated the religions by being literal and factual. To me science is seperate from religion and have different goals. Religion grows the inner person. Science deals with the world around us. I do acknowledge our history and previous cultures as part of our science too; it all has merit.

Scientifically speaking we know a great many past cultures did great things in the past and past religions recorded wonderous things. Scientifically we just can't ignore it, just because it was written on a religous document. Scientifical at the least it tells us its possible and we just need to figure out how it was done.

The bible is a book of fables. Stories to take morals from, it was written by many different people (proven). There are plenty of fables written well before the bible, Homers Illiad for one. Even "facts" we know right now are not 100% accurate. Columbus for one didn't sail west to prove the world wasn't flat, the globe was 1st invented in 150bc, the oldest existing globe was made in 1474, Columbus sailed in 1492. History is written by the winners. Check out Mr. Robert Wuhl's history series "Assume the Position". It's funny, but it's true history. Check it out. Might open your eyes a bit to not only recent history, but if the fact that, if this is happening in modern written history, what happened in the many many years of unwritten history.

Playing Devil's Advocate since 1978

"The only constant in the universe is change"
-Heraclitus of Ephesus 535 BC - 475 BC

@Codezero, fables? It is observations written by many that do not know how the miracles happen or have the proper words to explain them, but they were wise enough to record their observations. Fables I think not, but lacking a vocabular to describe the wonders they see, sure.

@Bubba,
You do know that the stories in the bible were written WELL after the events they are supposed to portray happened right?

Sort of hard to say they are 100% factual being written hundreds of years later... Heck, even 10 years after the fact is too long for the event to be described with 100% accuracy. Add in language and education gaps between those telling the stories and those writing them.

Play this game and them tell me that the bible is 100% all fact and accurate Get 10 people. Write down a 10 - 20 word sentence now, tell this sentence to the 1st person, they cannot write it down, have them wait 10 mins before telling the second person, have them wait 10 mins before the telling the next person and so on until it gets to the 10th person. Have the 10th person write down the sentence. Make sure that no one else repeats the sentence back to each other, and that no one else writes it down. Compare the original sentence with the one written down.
You'll be suprised at how much changes in a matter of only 100 mins, and 10 people later with just 1 sentence. Now look at how thick that bible is. Still think it's pure fact? or even remotely accurate?

Just saying...
Playing Devil's Advocate since 1978

"The only constant in the universe is change"
-Heraclitus of Ephesus 535 BC - 475 BC

@allenehrl, it seems to me your take on a 150-year lifespan is a rather dark one.

At the moment, 150 years is just under twice the average lifespan of Americans, which comes in at around 78, counting both sexes. Were we all to wake up tomorrow with a strong probability of then living until around 150 when today we're still thinking 75-80 years, yes, the dislocation would be enormous. I'm not a scientist, but I'm betting that if such lifespans really do become the norm, it will be over an extended period. And we could, at least in theory, adjust.

After all, consider that 150-200 years ago, for most people 40 was old, 50 excited comment, and 60 inspired awe. (I'm talking about in North America and what we used to call "Western Europe.") In other words, in a very short time our lifespans have increased dramatically, yet we're still able to plod along. We have further adjusting to do that is becoming of increasing urgency, such as making retirement age later, true.

In short, should this come to pass, I have some confidence we will figure out a way, as a species, to handle it.

@CodeZero, speaking of old stories being handed down over and over again. Much of the old testment bible is very simuliar to the ancient Samarians stories,hmmm. One person is king is reported to live for 36,000 years.

http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/SumerianMyth.htm

For humans to take the time and scribe down on stone of humans that live a long time, just caught their attention and they felt the need to make it important. If these humans were really living an average amount of time, no one would care. I am just asking the simple question of, how did the ancient humans live so long? What was different in the past with the enviroment or the humans that live so long?

Who the heck has time to run 100 miles routinely? This guy is retired. Some of us have to actually work. So I guess when I hit 60 and retire, then I can run 100 miles routinely? Lol. Not very practical, but this research is amazing.

and btw, if us Humans start colonizing space/moons/other planets, then overpopulation won't be such of an issue.

Hmmm, once upon a time, the ancient Samarians scribe in their history of a man who lived 36,000. Perhaps, this man who lived 36,000 years could have been a alien space traveler. For this alien to travel among the stars and the time it takes would be less of a problem. Now as this man and or his crew had sex with the females they made off spring. These off spring live much less, say 900 years of so. Also these aliens were highly advance and toyed with the local animals and made all sorts of different hybrid creators and mutants. These hybrids continue to make babies, over time their life spans were reducing. Why did these aliens continue to stay on earth, maybe their intergalactic drive on their spaceship was dysfunctional. So the help the native humans and develop writing for us, showed us how to make a calendar and use their own math and tools to make the pyramids. The background radio signals of the earth were none existent. The river Nile has a cycle of flooding. Moving water can cause an electrical charge. So in building the great pyramid, it had a tunnel that went deep under the foundation. This tunnels spread out to 100s of other tunnels. As the river Nile raised, water filled the tunnels. The moving water causes the pyramid to have an electrical charge. Also the pyramid has other tunnels inside of it. The Egyptian poured different type of chemicals into these tunnels and mixing, they produce hydrogen. The mixture of hydrogen and the electrical charge with certain chambers and metal tuning devices inside cause a type signal to be sent out. Pyramid Radio Single was broadcasting towards a single point upward to the stars and the constellation Orion. Since on earth there was no radio background noise, this unnatural single stood out brightly as a beacon. Eventually the Supreme Commander of the alien shows up from noticing this unusual signal coming from planet earth and sees all these mutant hybrid beings running around and with all the other bad things the alien travelers have done too. So the Supreme Commander wants to clean up the mess and begin again for the humans and the planet. So there is the great flood. The Supreme Command only allows the typical native human to survive and the typical native animals to survive too. Everything else is removed in the cleansing... So since the aliens are gone and we are typical humans again, we have to be happy to live 77 years typically today...Maybe with DNA technology we might double it in the future, maybe. Past aliens can't help us and as some have said, it’s all fables.

for all of you who want to learn more watch the movie "The Man from Earth". it touches a lot on the topic of living for a long time. we are smart enough and advanced enough to cracking the secret of eternal life.

@JediMindSet, I own this movie. It’s a good movie and kind of philosophical in many ways. Some people do not like to hear a certain kind of true and prefer the " Do not desturb lite being on".

Sort of hard to say they are 100% factual being written hundreds of years later..."

Exactly CodeZero.

I would add - outrageous to say they are even remotely factual.

@BubbaGump

yes it is over all philosophical. and certain people feel threatened when they watch or hear stuff like it. like the one lady in the movie that gets saddened when the main character says he was once jesus christ.

Getting back on track to this article and finding solutions to the diminishing life cycle of repeating DNA as cells renew each other, what if this doctor in his solution to find a cure, accidently finds a cure and we live 200, 500 or 1000 years or more. Now how would that change things. What then?

Maybe the solution is not in the telomeres. Some plants live thousands of years, and they have some alternative ways to survive:

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110801094715

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@CodeZero

I take exception to your assertion that the Bible is nothing more than fables. What is more, I take exception to the fact that you spout it as scientific truth. Who are you to tell one person or a group of people that their beliefs are all lies? Believe it all you want, but if you're going to attack someone's belief system, maybe you should stop and think about how you would feel if someone did that to you. How do you feel being put on the defensive? Do you like it?

Some further food for thought... How would you explain the science of the origins of the universe to a child? One that doesnt understand quatum theory or physics or anything else like that? The answer is that you would explain it in such a way that they could grasp; in very elementary and rudimentry ways so that they can understand their origins. Lets take this into a grander scale... If you're God and you're trying to explain to a man living in 3000 BC the origins of the universe, how would you explain it? I would suspect that it would read very similarly to the book of Genesis.

Try looking beyond the glass and out in the world for answers to the mysteries of the Universe.

None of this matters. The earth can only sustain humans or any organic organism to a certain size and quantity. Mankind would outlive itself only so long as the earth could sustain it. Humans are under the false impression that they are larger than the known universe. Mankind will be eradicated from this planet long before there is any possibility of damage beyond it's own repair. You can search for immortality as long as you want, however the earth simply won't allow for it to happen.

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Don't see a problem with going through a network marketing company, they often have very large creditable customer base so he will surely make allot of money quickly.

Also overpopulation probably would not be a issue, as a society we are still very hostile and brutal. Wars, social conflict and most are lower class people who can't afford such medicine anyway. Someone might buy a bottle for a money but unlikely they will continue taking the tablets their whole life. Going to guess it will be 50-100USD per month for the stuff, honestly I can't even afford that long term.

@jaydub, Does your God love everyone. I believe my God does love everyone. And I am Christian. But with that said, I think it close minded of me to not pay attention to other cultures and other religions. We are small tiny little ants in the wonder of our Dear Lord. He speaks to us all and if we have trouble hearing, the limitation falls to us being so imperfect and well, ant like. Lots of people love to declare their religion as the one and only and discount the rest of the world; the same world and all the people who God is loving at this moment. While I will always be steadfast by the principles of being Christian, I see the whole world to learn from and the universe too, and yes science as well. But being very focus, factual and all I see the point calling some past religions fables as (codezero)is just trying to add up the facts( scientifically ) for this article. I was not terrible offended he called religion fables, because he wants to put facts in hand. Hearsay is not fact. But I find it personally factual that billions of the people feel and know a presence of GOD. In this case, I feel all this hearsay by some many different people and cultures, confirms the presence of GOD, despite actually putting a piece of fact in your hand. Unless billions of people all have an imaginary friend, which really seems unlikely,to me. But what do I know; lots of people on PoPSCI consider me goofy, lol. I also feel it of good merit to pay attention to archeology of the samerians. Why in the world did that pause in their own daily lives and feel the need to scribe down how old some was, unless it really caught there attention! The Christains too, noted this observation too and felt it was important to remember. A person may discount the actual years of the old people. But the fact remains they saw it and felt is extremely important. So between then and now, how did humanity or the enviroment change? Scientifically, I felt it worth considering.

When I was born, I was innocent. My dear Lord made me and he made me with open eyes.!

I also believe I will be judge signally, by myself and no person on this earth will be there to represent me. My life is an individual experience and I am its owner to the end. I believe the same is true of everyone and they are individuals experience their own perspective of life. I believe we will all individually be judge. I believe our dear Lord loves us all and is speaking to us all. This said, other cultures, other religions, other people’s perspectives of life deserve merit and consideration. Just so you know, the recent Pope said, (if) space aliens are discovered one day, this does not diminish Christianity or God. The fact he allowed (if) concedes the possibility that aliens in the future maybe found. I say if aliens are found, it makes sense they are found, the universe is a big place and yes our dear Lord is bigger than all of it. Our dear Lord made us with free thinking minds, imagination, eyes, ears and the ability to communicate, it's ok, use these things. Science does exist too, it just describes what our dear Lord has made.

People hate when I get going.... if it offends you, just ignore me.

This article and our latest modern miracle of non-aging mice (news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/11/partial-reversal-of-aging-achieved-in-mice/)has a certain implied and ominous portent of, say, having to live in 10 year shifts alternating with 20 years of suspended animation until galactic colonization can tidy up on humanity's excess proliferation. Or perhaps mulching the remains of those choosing virtual sublimation would be the optimal solution to Malthusian constraints. Hmm, this could be the answer to Fermi's paradox of the non-appearance of advanced civilizations - they've all sublimed off their planets. But only boring people are bored, don't sublime and the galaxy is ours!

@brublr, your an ad, adrvertisment of sorts, a distrator and just odd to the extreme. Your comments are odd to me and with no direct or source. Yup, just odd.

All thought is prayer and all thoughts are answered. Seth

Unknown entities cannot be introduced to explain other unknown entities. William of Occam

Seems to me he'll just have to die trying. How could you contain time and control it in a scientific sense? Shaw Capital Management Warning

@brublr, Hmmm, I see.

This man is my hero. "Is it wasting your life trying to save people's lives?"

@all the critics: What you don't understand and have been force-fed is that we have too many people on the planet , but the population density of most of the Western World is a FRACTION of what it is in Asia and South America.

What would happen if we found clinical immortality is that instead of losing all the greatest scientists and researchers we would keep them and as a race we would then have the ability to explode across the Universe.

What's the #1 problem facing most Western people? OBESITY . So the 'food shortage' argument is now void.

In order to colonize the Moon, Mars, and the rest of the Solar System, we absolutely MUST have this technology.

It takes 30 years to get a Ph.D (if you rush), now that person has only 60 years (MAX) to work helping to push humanity forward. Now imagine if we change that number to infinity. Now the Minimum requirement for all jobs is a PH.D The speed of technological breakthroughs would become blinding.

Imagine if we still had Einstein around to help us to understand his theories, some of which we still do not fully understand even after he has written so many books about.

dkella .... you're right about putting stress on the liver but if the liver is not overlooked and detoxed as well (it's a filter), then the process of doing it right and not overlooking the health of that vital organ is achieved. Nothing wrong with cleansing and detoxing if it's done thoroughly. The problem is a lack of education. Should I be seeing my doctor to overcome that one ?

@jaydub. I don't mind being called out. Not at all, and I don't mind being challenged in the slightest. Challenge brings forth change, that of which those that take the words written on pieces of paper by many many people as opposition. Why is it that only certain people of certain faiths have issues with progress? The church afterall killed anyone that went against it's teachings, they did this for many many many years, why? If the church was interested in more than control, why all the lying, cheating, stealing, murder, forced conversions, witch hunts, etc etc etc. Religion, most at least, as only brought about pain and suffering in the name of salvation. Sorry, but *if* there is a god, those that have killed in it's name, are not going to be "saved". Take a look at your history before you try to say that the books you are calling out as fact are even remotely anything more than fables and controlling words to keep the populous at bay. Sorry buddy, believe what you want, but there is a reason why the word LIE is in beLIEve, because those blind to truth only have lies to live on.

There is some food for thought for you. And as far as teaching quantium level information to a child. The child will only ask what the child can understand. I have 2 by the way, One a high level autistic, the other a certified genius at 11. So, yeah chew on that for a while.

Playing Devil's Advocate since 1978

"The only constant in the universe is change"
-Heraclitus of Ephesus 535 BC - 475 BC

In reaing this quote that was posted by " "@brublr Unknown entities cannot be introduced to explain other unknown entities. William of Occam".

I thought my comments had merit, but yes they are unknowns. So, I was entering unknowns into the science of this article and well I was just wrong for doing this.

So there ya go.

Oh lastly, I really like the ART WORK of this article. Pretty COOL!

Enough of this religious garbage, BubbaGump, it doesn't belong here, it belongs in sites devoted to fiction. If you continue preaching pseudo scientific gutter trash without any basis in reality or evidence to support your supernaturalist claims, I'll have you reported.

1) Adam and Eve never existed. THis is an established fact. All humans beings today descended from a common ancestor with other hominid species, and ultimately all life on earth shares a common unicellular ancestor. This is well established within the scientific community. The bible is just plain wrong.

2) Human beings did not live to the ages of 900 in ancient times. There is zero evidence for this, and it is demonstrably physiologically impossible to do. Again, the bible is just plain wrong here, and these claims were not "observations", these claims were the fantasies of piss stained bronze age nomads who couldnt count to 6 properly.

3) You are lying about a "global flood" as well, another mythological piece of nonsense written in the holy babble. There was never a global flood. There isn't even enough water on the planet contained in both the glaciers and the icecaps for a global flood to be even possible. Not all cultures recorded a "global flood". In fact, cultures back then were not globalized, and few understood how large the world is. Recording a local flood doesn't signify there was a global flood. Sorry. It is utter pseudo scientific bollocks. There was never a global flood.

4) There was never a gargantuan wooden boat constructed by a 900 year old geezer housing millions of animals. Again, total gutter trash mythology here. No evidence for it whatsoever. A fairy tale.

5) "That a great quantity of people" consider the bible to be truth doesn't mean anything. A great quantity of people used to believe that storms were the result of an angry thunder god, or that the Black Plague was punishment for their sins, and so they sat on their bottocks and 25 million people died as a result. It was only when someone was smart enough to figure out the connection between rats and disease that people began to take proper precautions such as public hygiene and sanitation that the problem began to be addressed. In other words, religions beliefs are entirely useless forms of knowledge, similar to any book of fiction. Science on the other hand, works. Paying attention to reality, instead of biblical mythology works.

6) The flood never happened and people did not live longer "before" the nonexistent flood. Anyone who lived 1000 BCE would be lucky to make it to 35. A 100,000 years ago, homosapiens as a whole had lifespans averaging 27 years. that the Bible says otherwise is irrelevant. The Bible is wrong. That the Harry Potter series mentions Hogwarts does not make Hogwarts a real place.

7)"Religion grows the inner person". No, religion doesn't do anything but litter the mind with mindless mythological rubbish and utter guff. At best it was a tool invented to make us complacent about our own mortality.

8)"History" and supernaturalist claims made by ancient cultures is not "science". Science relies on robust evidence and reproducible experiments and observations. Some ignorant 3000 years ago scribbling down a bunch of stories trying to make sense of the world around him is not "evidence".

9)Sumerian king living to 36,000? You do realize that you just linked an article on mythology, right?

"how did the ancient humans live so long?"

You really want to know? Here's how. They never did. It is a fable, like the 3 little piggies and the Little Red Riding Hood. They didn't happen. They were the fantasies and imaginations of a small number of people who were privileged to become scribes while everyone else was a peasant toiling away in the fields.

10) Your rant about the aliens is especially amusing, but devoid of any evidence. Just like Santa Claus and the boogeyman.

11) "He speaks to us all and if we have trouble hearing, the limitation falls to us being so imperfect and well, ant like."

"He" does not speak to us. We do not have any trouble hearing, there's just nothing there to listen to.

12)"Unless billions of people all have an imaginary friend, which really seems unlikely,to me."

It's incredibly likely, especially when people are indoctrinated from a very early and vulnerable age before they adopt critical thinking skills, which pretty much every religious person has. Had you been born in a different time or place, you could've easily been raised a Muslim, a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Jew, a Taoist or part of some animist belief system. Of course, all of the hundreds of religions people around the world subscribe to cannot be right, all of them are completely devoid of corroborative evidence, and the most rational conclusion to come is that none of them are correct, and are simply the byproduct of ignorance of the natural world.

13) "Why in the world did that pause in their own daily lives and feel the need to scribe down how old some was, unless it really caught there attention!" BECAUSE THEY MADE IT UP! HOW DOES THAT NOT REGISTER WITH YOU? YOU DO REALIZE FICTION HAS BEEN AROUND FOR AS LONG AS WRITTEN LANGUAGE HAS RIGHT? RELIGION and MYTHOLOGY are a form of FICTION. They wrote about ridiculously long lifespans because it is what they DESIRED. It was an impossible dream and an unattainable aspiration for them. It's called human imagination at work, just like your nonsense about intergalactic Aliens landing on the planet and breeding with women. Just like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings. If civilization got destroyed today and thousands of years from now, and some clueless post-apocalyptic citizen found a copy of a novel written by Tolkien, it is entirely possible that they too would mistaken it as some sort of "observation" by an ancient culture. Except too bad that it isn't. It isn't anything more than a piece of fictional literature and a great imagination at work. It has NO relevance however to reality.

14)"But the fact remains they saw it and felt is extremely important. " No, there is no "fact" that the saw it. There is a claim, and claims can be made up. We cannot verify that their claim was correct, and all archeological, biological, and anthropological evidence shows that it wasn't. Just because something was written down or passed on does not make it true.

15)"People hate when I get going.... if it offends you, just ignore me." No, I will report every one of your posts if you continue preaching your pseudoscientific religious nonsense. This is a popular science magazine, we're here to stay on topic and discuss the relevant scientific knowledge and breakthroughs put forth by the article, not start cribbing from mythological texts like the Bible.

In fact, most Christians today would consider you an odd ball, since very few of them take the Bible literally. Almost noone believes the utter nonsense written Genesis anymore. For most believers it's at best allegorical and metaphorical.

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燕窝对人体有什么好处？
答：香港执业数十年的李楠医师总结了燕窝十大功效，供参考：

1、补肺养阴、止肺虚性咳嗽、减少肺气病变。包括肺阴虚之哮喘、气促、久咳、痰中带血、咳血、咯血、支气管炎、出汗、低潮热。
2、补虚养胃、止胃寒性、呕吐。胃阴虚引起之反胃、干呕、肠鸣声。
3、凡病后虚弱、痨伤、中气亏损各症，配合燕窝作食，能滋阴调中。
4、止汗、气虚、脾虚之多汗、小便频繁、夜尿。
5、使人皮肤光滑、有弹性和光泽，从而减少皱纹。
6、燕窝含多种氨基酸，婴幼儿和儿童常吃能长智慧、增加思维、抗敏感、补其先后天之不足。
7、孕妇在妊娠期间、产前产后进食，则有安胎、补胎之效。
8、燕窝是天然增津液的食品，并含多种氨基酸，对食道癌，咽喉癌、胃癌、肝癌、直肠癌等有抑止和抗衡作用。
9、凡经电疗、化疗而引起的后遗症，如咽干、咽痛、肿胀、便秘、声嘶、作呕等，食燕窝都有明显的改善。
10、燕窝味甘性平、滋阴润燥，是有营养的有益食品，有保健食疗之效，是大众欢迎之健康食品。

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In spite of the long history of using edible bird's nest for medicinal purposes, there is not much scientific research related to the therapeutic use of bird’s nest. The earliest recent scientific evidence was given by Ng et al. (1986) in Hong Kong. Edible bird's nest aqueous extract was found in his studies to potentiate mitogenic response of human peripheral blood monocytes to stimulation with proliferative agents, Concanavalin A and Phytohemagglutinin A. The results of this research suggested that edible bird's nest might possess immunoenhancing effect by aiding cell division of immune cells.

One year later, other scientific evidence was published by Kong et al. This study demonstrated an epidermal growth factor (EGF)-like activity in aqueous extract of edible bird's nest that stimulated the DNA synthesis in 3T3 fibroblast in a dose dependent manner in vitro. EGF is a 6,000 Da polypeptide hormone produced by glands of the gastrointestinal tract, namely the salivary and Brunner's glands. It appears to play a crucial role in major normal cellular processes such as proliferation, differentiation and development. It may offer a rationale for the medicinal use of edible bird's nest in ageing resistance.

Since the receptor for EGF is highly expressed in a number of solid tumors, including breast, head-and-neck, non-small-cell lung, renal, ovarian and colon cancer, people are worried about a possibility to induce tumor progression and to resist chemotherapy/radiation treatment in tumor cells; in consequence, suggest that cancer patients should avoid edible bird's nest. In fact, there is no evidence supporting this suggestion. Currently we have evaluated the effects of aqueous extract of edible bird's nest on the viability on two human cancer cell lines, human breast cancer MCF-7 (ATCC HTB-22) and human liver cancer HepG2 (ATCC HB-8065). There was no observable effect on cell viability when comparing with the control group (unpublished data).

In 1994, a research team in China, evaluated the pharmacological effects of edible bird's nest and pearl powder containing formulation. The formulation was demonstrated to have immuno enhancing effects by elevating DNA synthesis of T-lymphacytes and circulating immunoglobulin M content in mice. In addition, the formulation also showed ageing retardation by increasing the level of superoxide dimutase. However, the study did not explore whether the effects came from either edible bird's nest, pearl powder or both.

http://www.business-in-asia.com/industries/birdnest_for_health.html

Recent research by the Hong Kong Chinese University has found that the cell division enzymes and hormones of birds nest can promote reproduction of human cells. The glycoprotein content of birds nest helps to stimulate cellular growth in our immune system. Body metabolism is enhanced and body functions are improved.

It has been used as a health food since the Ch'ing Dynasty and has a mild and sweet flavour. The Chinese used it to treat lung ailments, stomach ailments and the kidney neural system. The main nutritional content of birds nest is carbohydrates 30% and protein 5% and it is thought that the protein content is comparable to milk and eggs.

Women who consume birds nest soup regularly will find that their skin is fairer and more radiant, pregnant women who consume it regularly will improve the immune functions of the foetus and her recovery time after birth will be easier and faster. Elderly people who drink birds nest on a regular basis find it will help to clear phlegm, strengthen the lungs and kidneys, improves the spleen and restore their appetite. In children it will help the immune system, they are less likely to have cold and flu and men who consume it on a regular basis find that it improves kidney functions, strengthens the lungs and gives the body strength.

Traditional birds nest soup is so revered by the Chinese people that every herbalist sells it and some companies are manufacturing ready made birds nest which can be drank from the bottle no preparation necessary. Some cosmetic companies in Asia are also using birds nest in their masks to treat the skin. Sheet masks soaked in birds nest when applied to the face will leave the skin glowing, has anti aging benefits, moisturizes as well as improve mild acne skin types. While most Chinese feel that consuming bird's nest is beneficial, not everyone can afford to take it. One piece of good quality bird's nest can cost hundreds of dollars.

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Can someone read this for then send it to tiptoperpop@gmail.com please?
"Bill Andrews’s feet are so large, he tells me, that back when he was 20 he was able to break the Southern California barefoot-waterskiing distance record the first time he put skin to water. Then he got ambitious and went for the world speed record. When the towrope broke at 80 mph, he says, “they pulled me out of the water on a stretcher.”

The soles of the size-15 New Balances that today shelter those impressive feet strike a steady clap-clap on the macadam as Andrews and I lope down a path along the Truckee River that takes us away from the clutter of cut-rate casino hotels, strip malls and highway exit ramps that is downtown Reno, Nevada. Andrews, 59, is a lean 6-foot-3 and wears a close-cropped salt-and-pepper Vandyke and, for today’s outing, a silver running jacket, nicely completing a package that suggests a Right Stuff–era astronaut. He is in fact one of the better ultramarathoners in America. I am an out-of-shape former occasional runner, so it gives me pause to listen as Andrews describes his racing exploits. “I can run 100 miles, finish, turn around, and meet friends of mine on the course who are still coming in,” he says. “I’ve been in many races where I’m stepping over bodies of people who have collapsed, and I’m feeling great.”
"I want to cure my aging, my friends' and family's aging, my investors' aging, and I want to make a ton of money," Andrews says.His return to running after a middle-aged break was, he says, inspired by a revelation he had at a time when he and a small team of scientists at his biotech start-up, Sierra Sciences, had been working 14 to 18 hours a day in the lab for five years, rather obsessively pursuing a particular breakthrough. Finally, his doctor told him he was headed for an early grave. “I thought, god, I don’t want to cure aging and then drop dead,” Andrews says.
That would indeed be ironic. Because Andrews does intend to cure aging. This stated ambition induces in some listeners the suspicion that Andrews might suffer from delusions of grandeur, but he has a scientific pedigree that insists he be taken seriously. Unlike his friend Aubrey de Grey, the University of Cambridge longevity theorist who relentlessly generates media attention with speculations that straddle the border between science and science fiction, Andrews is an actual research scientist, a top-drawer molecular biologist.
In the 1990s, as the director of molecular biology at the Bay Area biotech firm Geron, Andrews helped lead a team of researchers that, in alliance with a lab at the University of Colorado, just barely beat out the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in a furious, near-decade-long race to identify the human telomerase gene. That this basic science took on the trappings of a frenzied Great Race is a testament to the biological preciousness of telomerase, an enzyme that maintains the ends of our cells’ chromosomes, called telomeres. Telomeres get shorter each time a cell divides, and when they get too short the cell can no longer make fresh copies of itself. If we live long enough, the tissues and organ systems that depend on continued cell replication begin to falter: The skin sags, the internal organs grow slack, the immune-system response weakens such that the next chest cold could be our last. But what if we could induce our bodies to express more telomerase? We’ll see, because that is what Andrews intends to do.
Andrews had scheduled this afternoon’s run as an 18-miler, but he graciously downscaled those ambitions on my behalf long before we set out from the parking lot of the Grand Sierra Resort Hotel. Four miles in, he’s hardly winded—and I’m out of gas. As we make our way back to his car, he consults his training watch and informs me that our pace was an almost respectable 8:40, excepting the latter stretches when I walked, pushing our average up to 10 minutes a mile.
The embrace of fitness has for Andrews a telomeric logic. Make poor lifestyle choices, and you’re likely to die of heart disease or cancer or something well before your telomeres would otherwise become life-threateningly short. But for the aerobicized Andrews, for anyone who takes reasonable care of himself, a drug that activates telomerase might slow down the baseline rate at which the body falls apart. Andrews likens the underlying causes of aging, free radicals and the rest, to sticks of dynamite, with truncated telomeres being the stick with the shortest fuse. “I believe there’s a really good chance that if we defuse that stick,” he says, “and the person doesn’t smoke and doesn’t get obese, it wouldn’t be surprising if they lived to be 150 years old. That means they’re going to have 50 more years to be around when somebody solves the other aging problems.”
Check out our brief history of immortality, from antiquity up to the 21st century.

But in his race to cure aging, Andrews may himself be running out of time. The stock-market crash of 2008 nearly wiped out two investors who had until then been his primary funders. Without the money to continue refining the nearly 40 telomerase-activating chemicals he and his team had already discovered, Andrews made the decision last September to cut a deal with John W. Anderson, the founder of Isagenix, an Arizona-based “network marketing” supplement company. This month, Isagenix will launch an anti-aging product containing several natural compounds that Sierra Sciences has verified to have “telomere-supporting” properties. It’s not the powerful drug Andrews originally envisioned, but he says he believes it will promote “health and well-being” and just possibly generate enough cash to underwrite the expensive “medicinal chemistry” required to come up with a more fully developed anti-aging compound—one attractive enough to bring in a billionaire or a Big Pharma partner with pockets deep enough to take a drug candidate through the FDA’s time-consuming and fabulously expensive approval process.
“I want to cure my aging,” Andrews tells me, “my friends’ and family’s aging, my investors’ aging, their friends’ and families’ aging, and make a ton of money. And I want to cure everybody else’s aging too—I put that probably equal to making a ton of money."THX

@bioeng, lol, LOL, I have laugh so much as to you own words. I wish to thank you so much! I must of really pulled your string you Yo-Yo! Report away and call your mother! You just crack me up! lol.

@bioeng, Ever hear of the SCIENCE archeology and cosmology? And while religoous books are that of realigion, there are those that look at them as historic references to the past. I do not know what little box you pear out into the world, but as you venture to all the corners and take in account acrcheology, cosmology and history, you just may learn something. I know and understand you. You just another one of those people who have the " DO NOT DESTURB LITE ON " in you head. Well, thank you for you comentary about me, I really appreciate it, lol. Report me, CRACK ME up, no that's funny. Please report everyone elese on PoPSCI, that disturbs or hurts you little feelings..... lol. Please enlighten all the readers of your opinion of this article. Were all waiting... ;)

@bioeng, your profile here is just over 4 hours long and the only comment you made was towards me. You do not have a opinion of this article? Please tell us your thoughts so others can critic you! Please don't be shy, dazzle us with you genious and your aw inspiring comments of this article Or are you just one of those people who wine alot with nothing good to offer....

@bioeng, as for you non belief of a past flood. It just maybe a matter of perspective when the flood hit. You do realize we had a ice age about 18,000 years ago. And typical humans like to live near rivers and water. Now inmagine something happens BIG on the earth and all this ice melts. If you happen to live near a river, you wake up one day to a mountain of water flowing over you and yes from the perspect of these people the world flooded. Recently as scientist were surveying the ocean floor off the west side of Cuba, they found all these monolithic structurcs. Off Japan there, spread over an amazing 311 miles on the ocean floor, are the well-preserved remains of an ancient city. In fact all around the world sea we have monolithic structures. Can you suppose long ago, people built these on dry land, hmm. Now what do you think these peoples perspective of the earth was as there structures were submerge underwater; they may run around and say their whole world was flooded. From their persepctive it was.

Someone taking a different approach they made round worms and fruit flies live to the equivalent to 200 did so by chnaging a gene that traded energy normally used for reproduction back into self repair.

It pretty much was a free lunch for the organism as it required trading the equivalent of being able to reproduce at 14 vs 20.
No increased cancer no calorie restriction etc it really is a free lunch.

Another way to a longer life stem cells.

Put in fresh cloned cells so the ones with bad telemeres can go ahead and self destruct.

@Ruri, so tinkering with the DNA of a pre born fruit fly life can be extended. But what do you do once this is already born and an adult fruit fly. How do you extend the fruit flies life now? I do find you idea of somehow using stem cells, this can possibly help the already establish adult.

@BubbaGump

Yes, I happen to know quite a bit more that you about archaeology. It is not a science, it is a legitimate field of inquiry as it studies the EVIDENCE left behind by earlier cultures in the form of artifacts and excavated sites of human activity. None of it supports any of the garbage written in Genesis. None of it.

Cosmology is the study of the structure, changes and origins of the present universe. Again, the holy babble is entirely redundant here and has contributed nothing substantive to expanding our knowledge in this field. Religion has only posited "god did it" as an explanation for every natural phenomena ever occurring prior to human beings actually developing robust, testable, verifiable scientific theories explaining how the natural world works, making your god superfluous and irrelevant, and essentially undermining your worthless mythology. Religious books are utterly worthless as "historical references" to the past unless some corroborative archeological or geological evidence can be found to substantiate any of their claims. None of the wet dream fantasies written in the Bible have been confirmed, and in fact, evidence rejecting these myths has been solid.

"Archeology, cosmology, and history", as you put it, do not support Biblical stories. They contradict them.

As for the global flood, my non-belief in it stems from lack of evidence, both archeological and geological, similar to how there is a lack of evidence showing that an angry thunder god is responsible for lightning strikes and bad weather.

Yes, I realize that the Ice Age was drawing to a close, but it did not occur rapidly. The glaciers took thousands of years to melt. Nobody went to sleep one night and woke up the next day to surrounded by an ocean expanse in every direction. There may have been severe flooding at river basins (which by the way happens in the modern world as well), where rivers overflow their banks and the water can stretch out for many kilometers. This in no way validates a global flood or the existence of some 900 year old cripple building a wooden shack housing millions of animal species. The civilizations off the coast of Japan and Cuba were not "flooded". It took hundreds if not thousands of years for the sea level to gradually rise and eventually sea levels got to the point where these areas became uninhabitable. The only parts of the bible that may warrant some historical interest are those that can be verified independently. Anyone at any time in history can pick up some parchment or clay tablet and scribble something onto it. It doesn't mean it necessarily happened, and neither does it mean that their crude explanations for natural phenomena would stand up to scientific scrutiny.

@bioeng, There is a real benefit from those people who choose not believing in God or religion. You can relieve yourself of any type of guilt. If a person has no God, then they have no voice wispering in their ear they have done something wrong. Are you one of those type of people? My opinions about things and my comments and sometimes fictional stories are mine own. It would be such a easy thing for you to ignore them. But I get the impression you upset about something, maybe even angry. You could just forget me and make a comment about the artical. But for some reason, your focus is on my words. Well take care and I leave you these parting words: "...May God Bless You, Protect You and Your Life Is Filled With Much Happiness!" I wish you well!

......what if at the last moment of life as our soul or inner being departs our flesh, we humans receive exactly what our truest inner beliefs are and in this we are truly judged and given.

this man no dought has great motives,great expectations,awsome motivation but! logic as the intelectual basis for this debate says...he must adhear to the biological laws within mankind live then die! to take away death out of the picture he has to bypass or be allowed to change the principles, behind those laws.can he do it? and also for relatives and friends then mass produced for the public? hmm hmm if he desires to do it the more power to you. remember theres a biological law holder. and you must meet his requiremenmts... lets just say for a partial immortality state! 850 years

@BubbaGump there is a real benefit of not believing in god, one is namely that it avoids the false promise and pacification it provides and 2ndly because there is no evidence of his existence, no evidence of what the nature of his existence is if he did exist (for all I know, your "god" could be a malevolent jackass). What I consider right and wrong is a matter of principles (like avoiding causing gratuitious harm to others, not infringing upon people's liberty, doing things that allow us to function as social creatures while maiximizing individual and collective happiness), ethics and rationality, not blindly following a book and pretending to have a non-existent cosmic dictator you call "god" trying to dictate some rigid outdated morality to me based on the scribblings if piss stained bronze age nomads.

Whether god does or not exist has no effect on whether people have feelings of "guilt" with regard to their actions. To most good people, "guilt" comes naturally when they wronged or hurt someone else. It need not come with the threat of non existent damnation or fantasizing about "reward" in the hereafter for good behavior. I try to do good for the sake of doing good, not to appease some hypothetical totalitarian jackass in the heavens. If the only reason you don't murder, rape, pillage or steal from others is because "God" or the Bible disapproves of it, then it's time for you to see a psychiatrist.

I decide right from wrong based on circumstances and what naturally allows human beings to live in harmony and be functional social creatures. I do not decide right from wrong based on whether something is or isn't written in some religious book. Sure, some of the guidance provided in them is sound advice, but you don't need a religious teaching to confirm to you what is otherwise common sense. Other things written in these mythological texts are nothing short of repugnant, anything from misogyny, homophobia, and endorsement of slavery and repressive social and sexual norms. So in other words, these books are utterly worthless as historical documents (Besides anything that can be confirmed from archeological evidence), worthless in helping us understand the natural world around, and not very helpful in developing our morality as we advance further into the amazing future laying ahead of us. I avoid doing wrong because I have compassion and tolerance for other human beings. When others are happy, I am happy. I can't say the same for the numerous fundamentalists who take your mythology seriously, and that have been the cause of much suffering and injustice in the world for centuries.

Atheists and people who are nonreligious do good for the sake of doing good, not because they think some peeping tom in the sky is watching their every move. And in any case, belief in god does not lead to good behavior. All the believer has to do is start believing that whatever criminal or "wrong" activity they are engaged in is wholly endorsed by their "creator", and that's why you have the exact same criminal behavior from those who are religious. Either that, or you do something wrong, and then ask god for "forgiveness", amirite? It's all the same shit, so why even bother believing in god is people are simply going to believe that whatever they are doing is favored by god based on their own personal interpretation?

One person can find passages about love and forgiveness in the bible, while some other jackass can find passages condemning "heretics" and "godless sinners" and use that as grounds to commit mindless atrocities and oppression and never feel any guilt about it. In other words, that book of yours makes no difference. Take a look at Japan, Scandinavian countries, Canada or Australia. They're filled to the brim with "godless, shameless heretics". And yet they're the most peaceful, the most tolerant, some of the most prosperous, stable nations with low crime rates. I guess reality really flies in the face of your assertion that people who don't believe in god feel no "guilt" about their actions, doesn't it? Any person, whether they are religious or not is capable of doing good or capable of doing harm (and sometimes people can have different opinions on what is "good" and what is "harmful", and there's nothing wrong with that). Inserting god into the equation when it comes to decisions between right and wrong doesn't do anything useful. It merely shifts the goalposts. An inherently good person suddenly starts believing that his actions will be rewarded by god. An inherently bad person suddenly starts also believing that his actions are rewarded by god. In other words, nothing changes. Both "Good" and "bad" people can cherry pick and choose how they interpret any given religion, so in the end, it really doesn't matter.

The only reason I bothered responding to you in this article is because your comments are a perversion of science and logic. Asking how people in the past lived to 900 years? Seriously? Are you kidding me? You need to learn to adopt some critical thinking skills, instead of automatically accepting anything that has been fed or indoctrinated to you. Before you start asking the question "how did people live that long in the past", you should start asking the question "DID they live that long, and is there evidence for this besides some written claim in texts that are thousands of years old?". Any questions you ever have, you should always ask yourself whether the premises behind those questions are valid.

And I don't plan on my soul "departing" from me (assuming a soul exists). If human beings figure out a way to live to 150, chances are (Considering the massive technological rate of progress) that those extra years will allow technologies to be even more improved, and to further extend our lifespan, perhaps indefinitely. I expect a full reversal of the aging process will be achieved well before 2150, and humanity will enter a new era, where we will become wiser, more just, ambitious and more forward looking as a species. Whether this happens in my lifetime remains to be seen. I'll certainly do everything humanly possible to stave off the "reaper" and hope for science and biomedical advancements to become sophisticated enough to rejuvenate us before my time runs out. In case you're interested, there are other proposals to combat and reverse aging in humans besides Bill Andrew's proposal to lengthen telomeres. Stem cell therapies and bioengineered organs another one. An ambitious plan called SENS by Aubrey De Grey is another one. You should google it.

And even if time does run out and the technology is not there yet to rejuvenate us, there's still the option of the cryopreservation, or cryonics. It's a gamble and there's no guarantee that it would work, but being vitrified in extremely low temperatures by companies like Alcor after you "die" could put you in a state of suspended animation until some time in the future technology may be sophisticated enough to revive you and repair you. In other words it would be no different than bringing a person back to life in an emergency room after they have been declared "dead", which happens quite often.

There's many options out there. We can do what we can now with the knowledge we have today (proper nutrition, exercise, stress reduction, positive attitude, supplementation, avoiding environmental hazards) to improve our chances to be around to benefit from more advanced interventions like telomere relengthening nutriceuticals or biomedical interventions. If all else fails, I'm going into the "icebox", not the morgue or the crematory, from which there is no return.

@bioeng, thanks for the info. Have a great day!

Dear @bioeng, As of 2005 (most recent data), approximately 88 percent of the world's population were said to "believe in God" (Cambridge University). In the United States, 95 percent of the population “believes in God."
........ I believe the world population has reached 7 billion. Just imagine 88% of the world disagrees with you and 95% of USA disagrees with you. As you may of higher education, it would be fair to say this quantity of population they are of higher education too! So you believe all these people believe in an imaginary friend and are having a fantasy of sorts and all they believe in is fiction, really? You are smarter than all of them (more intelligent that the higher educated ones too) and their ideas do not deserve consideration. Ok, I respect your opinion and as I once said before, perhaps we all receive in life what we truly believe in. So as you leave you body as you die and see your rotting corpse being eaten by worms and then bacteria and you inner spirit travel to the world you imagine, you can smile and be correct. But in my mind you are not gone yet and I have hope for you and I will say a prayer too. You did say I am odd and for me that is ok. I believe science is real, I believe in my Dear Lord, my common sense says God loves all of the world and we should respect the other cultures of the worlds and pay attention to their religions too-we may learn something more. God Bless you Bioeng.

ha ha, i screwed up that sentence, lol." I believe the world population has reached 7 billion. Just imagine 88% of the world disagrees with you and 95% of USA disagrees with you". please change the word you, to "ME", ok, thank you... i am so stupid in my typing, lol. But if you google " How many people believe in GOD, you can find you own idea " there ya go.

oh frog... i just can't write. lol

has eneyone heard of the god partical expirement's?
if so whats mr. hawkings take on the matter what does he believe? man im a littile upset at my self i missed a special on tv that was going to feture mr. hawkings.!

From BubbaGump: "When I was born, I was innocent. My dear Lord made me and he made me with open eyes.!"

BubbaGump, that is not what your Bubble says. Quite the opposite my 'dear' friend. The whole basis of Christianity is the belief that man is *born* into sin - hello? do talking snakes & trees of knowledge ring a bell? ...this is where your need for a savior comes in.

Breaking News: Recent polls suggest that atheists know more about the Bubble, scripture & Christian doctrine than most believers do. Christians declare polls are the work of Satan. Story at 11.

You're all puffed up & feeling clever as if your silly "GOTCHA" questions are new concepts to us...then you tell us what to Google? Hilarity would ensue if it wasn't so
predictable. Bubba, I suggest that you Google "spell check" and "credibility". Are 8 yrs old or 108?

@aerie I am confused as to how Bubba's credibility has been called into question, I am also confused as to how age has anything to do with spelling and grammar on an online comments section in the era of texting and internet forums, especially since using incorrect grammar in this setting is actually quite commonplace. Just wondering...

I would like to add a statement to this, what if all of you are going about this the wrong way, chem additives may not be the way to pro-long life. Mr.Bill Andrews might be onto something here, but at this time I don't think he will fine the right Chem mixtures to pro-long life. At the very least 10 to maybe 30 added years. If you can't stop the buds from shrinking then your going to wast your time. Here is something for you all to think about, what is the real meaning to life. Our Bio-energy is slowly draining away, we all know why, the question is how to stop it right. One new question should be how do you replace it. In a way were like a battery, when the energy is drained off you die. The idea is how do you replace it. That's where you should focus your thinking. As beings we are composed of matter and energy, finding a way to think outside the box would help. Can we mix the two together. Then death would not be a problem anymore. Right now they both work hand in hand with each other. We have living matter, not energy. Just something to think about that's all.

Alright well anyhow I logged in to give my 2 cents. Anyway if humanity achieves immortality then that won't be a problem at all! Why? Cause of the coming Technological Singularity. We shall use molecular nanotechnology to feed the world's burgeoning population. We're talking about absolute control of matter on the atomic level. We'll be able to feed the masses this way. Endless food and clean water. Endless entertainment as well. This is the future dammit. Endless of everything for all enternity.

Are we gonna run out of room here on Earth? NO!!!!!
There is plenty of space in outter space. Plenty of space in outter space. And so in the next 20 to 30 years you will see mankind reach new mile stones, conquering disease and death and even stepping out into the void of outter space.

Mars is beckoning our call!!!! We must go there. We must! Hey we got it. We got Space X, Bigelow Aerospace, Virgin Galactic, and of course good ol' NASA! We got it baby!!!!!

hey RayKurzweil NASAs shut down so no going to mars in america

hey dude who can stop time, please stop time

I think it's amazing that this work is bringing the possibility of greatly improved longevity even closer, but wonder why those countless hours and research dollars aren't put to more pressing scientific matters than curing age: cancer, Alzheimer's, or arthritis, to name a few.

before curing aging we first most cure our necessity of eating and drinking water. "engineer" the body to survival off of other needs. i say solar energy. than we can proceed on ending aging once and for all. im pretty sure other advanced civilizations in space have conquered aging and death.

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@CodeZero By "church" I'm assuming you mean Catholic? Yes, the Catholic church, led by nothing but greedy, power hungry thugs set out to kill anyone who did not agree with them. I agree with that statement.

By contrast the Protestants are far less guilty of the murdering of countless innocents. They, themselves, are not innocent but we all know that violence and subsequently fear is an unfortunate side effect of ignorance.

The point of this statement is that you cannot group all whom are a part of the "church" into one statement that identifies them and bloodthursty murderers bent on the annihalation of "infidels". Would you apply the same concept to Muslims? No, ofcourse not. Because we all know that al-Queida is to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity!

Btw, I too have kids, four infact. One of which also has autism. Not only that, I have a dear friend who also has a child with autism. So I fail to see how your comment even relates to my analogy in any logical way, shape or form.

The point of my original comment was that you cannot fully explain to a less advanced being the complexities of modern science, just like someone who is omnipotent cannot fully expect someone even on our level of scientific understanding to fully grasp all the complexities of the universe. We're simply too small.

@bioeng

Eyes glazed over. What ever happened to clear and concise comments?

I will say one thing and one thing alone... Bioeng, if you do not believe that God exists, then explain to me the statistical impossiblity of our, humanity's, very existence. Because if you get down into the nitty gritty numbers of statistics, it is impossible for you or I to exist without the presense of a higher intelligence or power or what ever you'd like to call it to nudge us into existence.

Cheers...

@bioeng:

1. Adam and Eve did exist. Scientifically, they were the first humans that evolved from the monkeys. The Bible says Adam was formed from the dust of the earth. People thousands of years ago did not know about unicellular organisms, so this may have been written to explain the creation of humans from microbes. Note: God's "day" is not 24 hours. It is an organizational tool used by the inspired author.

to be continued...

Jaydub
statistically speaking, there are a few hundred million stars in the Milky Way galaxy alone. As far as we can see, there are hundreds of millions of galaxies. And we cant even see very far. So the odds that there are planets with life, and even intelligent life on them are extremely high, and do not require any higher intelligence, just a roll of the dice. Statistically speaking.
Bubbagump.
I skipped the last hundred comments, but i am sure someone must have pointed out that the earth is only 6000 years old by your calculations. Why are you reading science if you don't 'believe' in science?

Interesting picture and article, I agree lifestyle choices will make you live longer. Didn't Noah live like 8 hundred years plus. He ate good natural food, no smoking, no cancer causing materials and lots of hard work.

Dec 21 2012, we all will have immortality, but not in a way most people think....

@Majoris & CodeZero: I can understand your negative comments about "network marketing" because there are so many different kinds of MLM companies out there and some that have given this industry a bad rep. However, the reason most people fail in a network marketing business is because they aren't willing to do the "work" to build their businesses or perhaps the compensation plans were outdated. Do you really understand what a "pyramind scheme" is? Obviously not! "A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves promising participants payment, services or ideals, primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme or training them to take part, rather than supplying any real investment or sale of products or services to the public. Pyramid schemes are a form of fraud." (Wikipedia) If you want to talk about pyramids, what about a traditional company's structure? The president/owner is at the top of the company and there is hierarchy of managers, etc. Then you have the hardworking, low paid workers of the company. How often does the employee become the president/CEO/owner of that company? Very rare compared to those who have become successful in their network marketing business! It's sad that you have chosen to buy into the "norm".

Yes, I am a network marketer, and have chosen to work smarter for myself by helping others gain better health and wealth through sharing with others great products and income opportunity.

I look forward to seeing and hearing all the testimonials that will come forth from those who take their health seriously and take the Product B seriously! Just wait and see... By the way, Isagenix uses GMO-free ingredients and most ingredients are organic! No man-made chemicals involved which most often has side effects!

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Hooray for Dr. Bill Andrews for sharing his research with John Anderson and Isagenix! I am so grateful for that! Peace & Aloha

Wow! This topic is very interesting even it is one of the hardest to discover on the universe , this topic really proves that everything is possible, "If you can think it you can make it"

In my opinion everything is possible even creating a god can be possible i think, yet its so hard to discover and one of the components in creating a god is this topic, stopping aging.

Stopping aging can shock the whole world, maybe 50% would dis agree this one majority on religious person but still this is a one big leap of discovery.

This are the topics that i want:

o Stopping aging (like this one)

o The beginning of all beginning (like the beggining of the universe )

o Pyrokinesis (yet no one has still discover this one if it really is true, but if its true this can be a big topic because this is one can attain god like powers not only limiting in creating fire but changing things through your mind.

and more topic about DNA, cells, and humanity.

Im still 16yrs old and my plans are different from other students. after finishing highschool ill go to 2yrs college (animation course) and then study hard, work hard then 5yrs of work just for money and the rest is to discover the world, maybe 80yrs in discovering, experimenting about how to stop aging if i can discover this I will explore more about science like my favorite topics.

I really love Science a lot, full of mystery and someday i will contribute something to the world.

sorry for the grammars people because im not american!
Just like to share my ideas to you. thank you!

Just to add up on my previous comment.

Maybe there is really a god or the beginning of our life forms and i have a theory or story? i think, That god wont create us for any reason or god wont give its soul to us just to show he is lonely maybe he had a problem, a problem that he also cannot solve.

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