It is said that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and a group of researchers at Emory University and the University of Chicago are putting that mantra to the test in an effort to develop the "holy grail" of flu vaccines. The researchers have found that several patients that were infected during the 2009 H1N1 (don't call it "swine") flu pandemic have developed antibodies that are effective against a variety of influenza strains, potentially leading to a single vaccine that could provide immunity from most or even all flu.
The scientists studied a group of nine adult patients who were variously affected by the H1N1 pandemic, some of whom experienced mild illness, others who were hospitalized for severe influenza (some for lengthy periods of time). Blood samples were taken from this group and from that the team isolated white blood cells that had produced antibodies that were effective against the flu virus.
The team then isolate the genes responsible for that antibody production and used them to create more antibodies in culture, resulting in 86 varieties of antibodies. They then turned the antibodies loose on a variety of flu strains. Of the 86 antibodies, five were able to bind with all the seasonal H1N1 strains identified over the last decade, the 1918 "Spanish flu" strain, and even the H5N1 bird flu strain.
These antibodies could lead to a single-injection, lifetime flu vaccine effective against multiple strains of influenza, both new and old. Current vaccinations are required to inoculate against at least one H1N1 strain, but they usually don't insure against all of them – hence the 2009 strain's ability to sicken even those who had received their standard seasonal flu shots.
So what's to stop future influenza strains from circumventing these antibodies? Well, nothing really. But these antibodies were found to bind to the "stalk" region of the virus, a certain protein called haemagglutinin. This part of the virus tends to be rather static in the evolutionary sense, rarely changing as much as other regions over time. By arming the human body with the right kinds of antibodies researchers believe they could provide lifelong protection from most influenza strains, and perhaps even all of them.
this news article would be funnier if it had a picture of will smith and a germen sheperd in a sports car in deserted new york.
Wouldn't this accelerate the evolution of the "stalk," though?
I've only taken a flu shot once and it made me so sick i had to go to the hospital... So then i read about what's in the flu vaccines.. anyone what what thimerosal is? Is a key ingredient in flu vaccines, it's also 49% mercury by volume...and not to mention a boat load of other very harmful ingredients. get a hold of the insert that comes with some of the flu vaccines, you know, the ones you don't ever get to read because the doctor throws them out before even coming in to give you the shot, it says right at the beginning that there is no scientific data to show that this vaccine will prevent you from getting the flu, it's a scam that results in billions of dollars for big pharma and thousands of children every year diagnosed with neurological disorders shortly after getting vaccinated, specifically MMR vax and Flu vax... Is it coincidence that the year after the Federal Govt. started giving vaccines to schools to give to students that the annual rate of people getting autism nearly doubled? You do what you want because it's a free country (sort of) but no one is ever giving me a vaccine again...
to that "ender7718" guy,
Go spout that BS to all the people that had polio back in the day. They'd kick your butt if they weren't too sick because of that horrible disease that we're able to prevent now WITH VACCINES.
Educate yourself, and in the mean time, don't bother spreading your idiotic propaganda around.
If anyone should educate themselves, it is you. I'm on the fence about vaccines, but here is one fact I can't argue. My entire family tree for as long as I can tell has had chicken pox and lived. Yet the government is forcing our children to be vaccinated against it because the CDC website claims it's one of the most deadliest diseases out there.
If you can argue that one, I'd love to hear it.
Now I don't generally take the time to comment on these threads, but this topic just gets me really mad. Since you're on the fence, maybe I can sway you to the side of rationality. First off, you did not come up with a reponse to the fact that polio has been eradicated in the US due to the use of vaccines. Secondly, chicken pox is not usually a deadly disease, though it is generally worse when contracted as an adult. So in order to prevent adults from getting chicken pox, they must either contract it as a child or get the vaccine (both will create antibodies). In this case the vaccine provides a more consistent (and I should say more pleasant) alternative to exposing our children to the infection.
Here's a website where you can learn more:
Don't make stuff up. Thimerosal is not anywhere close to 49% mercury.
"...thousands of children every year diagnosed with neurological disorders shortly after getting vaccinated, specifically MMR vax and Flu vax..."
Please cite what journal or study that found there was relationship between vaccinations and neurological disorders.
In fact the only study found to connect MMR Vaccine to neurological disorders like autism was by Andrew Wakefield. A fraud that had his paper removed from the medical journal and his medical license revoked for dishonest practices, including altering and making up data to support his claims and the motives? Oh ya was getting a fat pay day by attorneys trying to sue on the grounds the Vaccines were harmful, seems to be a be a conflict of interest.
I live on the southcoast of the US, never got the flu shots and i'm still here at 44yrs. No bronchitis or pneumonia either for a smoker. Not until they have a universal vaccine. Know people that react to flu vaccines including my wife but it's mandatory every yr.in her health field, and she still bring home the darn thing.
"CDC website claims it's one of the most deadliest diseases out there."
Please provide link, as I found no such reference from the CDC.
In fact it reiterates that most people who contract Varicella are non serious, but that it's impossible to predict who had a mild or serve case.
"Know people that react to flu vaccines including my wife but it's mandatory every yr.in her health field, and she still bring home the darn thing."
I am sorry to hear your wife brings home the flu every year, but I fail to see the point to your comment. Here is an analogy for you. A flu shot is like wearing a bullet proof vest, it designed to protect you from the most likely and deadly of wounds. Just as the Flu Vaccines is designed to protect you from the most likely and deadly of Flu Stains that year. Now if you keep putting yourself in the line of fire eventually you are going to get a bullet wound that the vest doesn't or can't protect. Your wife's job is like a firing range and yes it's not uncommon for her to get the flu even with a vaccine because she is exposed to so many stains and so often.
For those people that are "on the fence" or outright vaccine deniers, I would like you to consider something. The only reason that the Polio vaccine has had the level of impact that it does is because of an overwhelming majority of people got the vaccine. The same is true of the vaccinations of today. When was the last time you heard of someone's child getting the measles? How about mumps or rubella? What you should be looking at is the cost/benefit analysis of vaccinations. Does the very small risk of my child having complications from a vaccine outweigh the impact of exposing my child and others to possible harm? For me that answer is no.
a real insult to a person who has survived polio and has lived with the physical consequences of the disease for a lifetime would be equating polio with the flu. there are things worth vaccinating against and things that should be considered a little more before force feeding to the entire population. As hinted in the article, vaccines alter the evolutionary path of viruses. because of the unknowns and unintended consequences associated with this alteration a little more care should probably be taken in our application of vaccines.
Why is influenza strains/flu being compared to polio or measle. What's the basic dilmema of influenza?. My point is flu shots are over-rated, it doesn't cured anything just boost immune systems of the lazy and/or unbalance eaters.
Thanks 'gitmo' for your input. These folks sound like politicians ready to debate the simple flu. Want something to debate? Debate why doctors rinse your insurance with so many unnecessary tests etc. And we wonder why health insurance is so high. Haven't being to the doctor for like 20 yrs. and recently went for back pain and within 4 weeks testbills rocket over ten thosands. In the end all negative, no prescriptions, and all I needed was a week of proper rest with advil.
Why do they continue to say "H1N1 pandemic"?
It was never a pandemic.
That being said, let me see if I got this right...
People got sick from Swine Flu (H1N1) and actually have developed antibodies that are effective against a variety of influenza strains??
So, in effect...the Swine Flu was beneficial!
Yet another example of people freaking out before knowing the full consequences and trying to shove their agenda down everyones throat using fear-mongering!
"Oh noes! its a pandemic since it affected up to 12 people between 2005 & 2009 (CDC site)"
Seriously, this News & Govt bs is getting old!
I agree w/ cdales. H1N1 killed what, 3,000ppl worldwide where the flu killed 30,000ppl in the U.S.
First off, polio and smallpox vaccines are necessary for the overall lethality they caused people. Also though, they are effective because these viruses don't mutate as often. Therefore, you get the one and done vaccine. *Smallpox vaccine is very gross by the way.
The number of people that die from the flu each year make great argument to get a normal flu vaccine, but i disagree to the current system. Unlike the smallpox/polio vaccine of "one-and-done", they give them to people every year. These vaccines are only good for one, maybe a couple different strains of the flu, usually the one that's the mose "prevalent" that season. Problem is, there are many different types out there so even if you got the vaccine odds are you will still get sick. If the vaccine worked so well, wouldn't you see less sick people? I say people have gotten weak. Why not just fight they disease on your own? yeah it sucks, but your immune system remembers and in essence it vaccinates itself for that next strain. Man up people. Until this wonderful article comes to fruition for the "one-and-done" flu vaccine, then i will refrain from ever getting the yearly one.
@dman1191 - you got me, but that's my interpretation, because CDC basically says, if I don't get vaccinated, then my risk of getting shingles is higher, thus the increased risk of dying, etc...
@spitandprayers - regarding polio, how can you be so sure vaccines eradicated it? Because the internet says so, because all the numbers the cdc throws around proves it? How about indoor plumbing and hand washing? Again, I don't know so I don't claim to know. As an automotive engineer, I could easily claim and support with plenty of facts/numbers that airbags are the reason accident fatalities have decreased. Or maybe it's because cars are just generally safer, or maybe people are keeping their tires inflated better, etc... You'll never prove what lowered the fatality rate. That's why I'm on the fence, because I can't disprove vaccine's efficacy, but so far nothing has convinced me they are worth the risk either.
Here's my biggest argument against vaccines: Why do different countries have different requirements? And don't even say because they go after the diseases specific/most prevalent to the areas because there is this little thing known as international traveling, which exposes everyone to everyone eventually. That's equivalent to the Auto Industry not putting underbody rust proofing on cars sold in the south, because what happens when they move to to the north. That's right, they aren't protected!
One last thing to chew on...
Why are the pro-vaccinators always so scared of the non-vaccinated kid bringing a disease near their child?
"Why are the pro-vaccinators always so scared of the non-vaccinated kid bringing a disease near their child?"
The obvious answer is that babies that are unable to be vaccinated or people with compromised immune systems examples(AIDS, Elderly, ect) are now at a higher risk of contracted these disease and dying, because some bone headed members of our society deem it not necessary. Your mind set along with frauds like Andrew Wakefield are the reason there is such a vaccination scare.
As a side note POPSCI now has an article up about my favorite use to be 'licensed' doctor.
Thimerosal is the preservative of choice for vaccine manufacturers. First introduced by Eli Lilly and Company in the late 1920s and early 1930s, the company began selling it as a preservative in vaccines in the 1940s. Thimerosal contains 49.6 percent mercury by weight and is metabolized or degraded into ethylmercury and thiosalicylate. Mercury, or more precisely, ethylmercury, is the principle agent that kills contaminants. Unfortunately, mercury also kills much more than that.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/011764.html#ixzz1AreGSv00
Nobody is going to learn anything from that website. That site has bias and ignores the facts and injects opinion such as this statement:
"a vaccine preservative kills more than just bacteria and fungi; it can lead to extensive neurological damage in your children, and has even been implicated in autism"
Yet it provides no citation as to what study found this link. In fact it's quite the opposite, no link has been found. As I have stated several times Andrew Wakefield's study that did find a link was a fraud. His medical license revoked and he journal pulled.
Marianne doesn't even take the time to use her own words, but instead copies and pastes a paragraph from the 'article' itself. If you really wanna "learn more" go read a medical journal or go to a reputable site, not that drivel suggested above.
@dman1191 - Sounds like you have all the answers!
You say the site is biased, and the CDC site isn't? I mean I tried to read the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) info and sure it has a lot of data to support it, but aside from the person who wrote it, who understands it?
Factual example right here: GE says Pratt & Whitney should not be the sole provider of engines for the Joint Strike Fighter because Pratt & Whitney’s engine to power the JSF is already $2.5 billion over budget with more than $1 billion in overruns within the past year. FACT! PW however says, $1.78 billion of this alleged overrun is the result of new requirements ordered by the Pentagon because of added weight to the aircraft. Of the remaining $800 million, approximately one third is attributed to the lift system hardware developed by GE’s partner Rolls-Royce as a subcontractor to P&W. FACT! So depending on who's side you take determines your bias, especially when both sides are presenting facts.
Besides, you're only argument to my Pro-vaccinator comment is those who have diseases and can't get the vaccine. I 100% agree that they should be worried. But immuno-compromised people are probably about 10% of the equation and they have more than just chickenpox to worry about. Per your argument, the government should make the flu-shot mandatory yearly if you want you kid to return to school.
Lastly, quit trying to slam me for being anti-vaccine, because if you actually read any of my posts, I stated every time that I'm on the fence. That's because I don't develop bias, I actually research and weigh the facts on both sides of the equation so that I can make an informed decision that best suits my needs.
Examples of bias: Buying an American car just because you're American. Voting for Obama because you are African American.
Wake up America and start thinking for yourselves!
"But immuno-compromised people are probably about 10% of the equation"
Please provide a reference that supports your 10% of the equation and what equation are you taking about? Every infant, every person with a compromised immune system is at risk if you don't vaccinate your child against preventable diseases.
"Per your argument, the government should make the flu-shot mandatory yearly if you want you kid to return to school."
The Flu isn't the same as MMR, Small Pox, ect. The Flu mutates very frequently and has several stains every year, so there is no guarantee you wont get a different strain. However If they were able to create a universal Flu shot(as the article see hope for) then yes I think the government should make it mandatory for students. As it stands the Flu Shot isn't practical to get your child every year and isn't always effective, so no it has nothing to do with my argument.
As a side note I do however think people in medical professions or people taking care of infants, the elderly or people with compromised immune system should be required by law to get the Flu Shot. They are in direct contact with high risk people and every per cation should be taken.
@dman1191 - You really suck at reading dude. I said "probably" thus implying I'm making an assumption therefor implying I have no link to back it up. Jeez!
"As it stands the Flu Shot isn't practical to get your child every year ". How do you figure? I can go to almost any Walgreens, CVS, Rite-Aid, CostCo, etc... without insurance and pay $20 for a flu-shot. I'd call that really practical.
As for your last comment, it's not law, but practically all those professions require it for their employees already as a term of employment.
Let me set the record straight. A year ago, I was 100% for vaccines, and stopped talking to a co-worker who wasn't getting their child vaccinated because I thought they were an idiot. Then I started researching to convince them and have only changed my own mind in the process. I spent about a solid month combing through a ton of information on the internet and had plenty of un-biased statistics and facts that gave me every reason to be against it. I didn't save it or archive it because I didn't think I'd be in a situation having to defend my opinion.
Watch the movie "Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. It's the perfect analogy to my situtation. He was an aetheist who tried to disprove Christ and only ended up a true believer in the end. Other good movies... "Food Inc" and "The Business of Being Born". Again, these are just good examples of how we as a society have just learned to take everything for granted and not question the "professionals" who are telling us to do it or that it is safe for us.
Again, I just urge people to do some homework before agreeing with something. Regardless of what position they take. If you don't, then drink Pepsi, buy Ford, and stop renting because owning a home is what it means to be American.
you can all say what you want... @hellokitty, do a little research instead of regurgitating what you've been told over the years... the number of cases of polio in the US and UK the year BEFORE the vax came out had already dropped by 55% and 45% respectively, this wasn't because of a miracle vaccine, it was simple education, as for the only info on cases of vaccine related neurological disorders being from a fraud, which all you jackoffs read on here also, i'd like to point out that despite what Popsci says the data has been reproduced all over the world, not just by the "fraud" in the UK... regardless of what you say i have seen the insert from a flu vaccine and the very first line states "there is no scientific data that shows this vaccine will prevent contraction of the influenza virus" that's all i needed to know...
Do some research!
More stuff for you to read, if there isn't enough evidence here then you're just hopeless and go right ahead and leave the blinders on... vaccines are dangerous and a scam...
Studies prove that thousands of babies are dying from vaccine induced cot death:
No value in any flu vaccine: Cochrane Collaboration study
GSK brainwashed doctors about HPV vaccine:
Letter alerts Obama to dangers of HPV-vaccines:
Vaccine suspensions and drug disasters has made 2010 an annus horribilis for GlaxoSmithKline:
Epidemic of vaccine suspensions worldwide as adverse reactions flood in from around the world:
India halts vaccine programme after the deaths of four children:
Dr. S.H.Lee joins forces with S.A.N.E VAX Inc in a bid to make HPV vaccination safer:
Autistic girl uses laptop to break silence:
Belgium have lowered the age for Gardasil vaccine to 9 years:
Mothers are killing their autistic children:
Parents in China were beaten when they tried to get compensation for their vaccine injured children:
Soon the postman will be delivering flu vaccines along with your bank statement!:
Vaccine trial targets kids:
Fact, vaccines have never eradicated anything, ever:
A rebuttal to the joint statement on Shaken Baby Syndrome:
The independent experts advising on vaccine policies are about as independent as links in a chain:
If doctors will not be vaccinated with the H1N1 vaccine, why should we?:
Tamiflu side effects are worse than flu:
Flu vaccine is listed as a Category C drug!:
Merck pays experts to recommend Gardasil:
Doctors vaccinate for profit:
Vaccines have destroyed lives for decades:
The families of the world unite and speak out against Gardasil:
Faked Pandemics - a threat for health. Motion for a recommendation presented by Mr Wodarg and others:
Public hearing on the handling of the H1N1 pandemic.
The statement presented by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg:
Dr Wodarg: WHOs 2009 Swine Flu Threat Now exposed as a Hoax!:
WHO scientists are suspected of accepting secret bribes from vaccine manufacturers.
WHO hypes swine flu pandemic in Africa:
False Pandemic. Jane Burgermeister:
GlaxoSmithKline, the manufacturers of the swine flu vaccine Pandemrix and several other vaccines, has a culture of corruption and criminality:
Daily Mail, UK: More than half of the experts fighting the pandemic have ties to drug firms:
Are flu vaccines the greatest quackery in the history of medicine?
Ex-Finnish Health Minister admits Swine Flu is a Hoax:
Big Pharma's pump with flu and HPV vaccines:
Merck/MSD, the company who makes several vaccines including the HPV-vaccine Gardasil, has a record of corruption and criminality:
Nearly 10,000 individuals filed personal injury lawsuits against Merck over the Vioxx scandal. Most were settled for $4.85 billion in 2007, but many lawsuits remain.
Merck published fake medical journals:
Gardasil: Why medical authorities cannot be trusted:
Gardasil: New Zealand schools bribed to market the vaccine:
The great HPV vaccine hoax exposed":
Merck funds campaign in USA to impose mandatory HPV-vaccination on young girls:
Merck caught in massive scientific fraud. Ghostwriters:
Big Pharma researcher faked dozens of research studies for Pfizer and Merck:
Why was Baxter permitted to develop the swine f lu vaccine despite the bird flu scandal?
Charges filed against Baxter and Avir:
A most thought-provoking article:
@slygoose, think that'll shut anybody up or will they just ignore the evidence because they don't want their carefully fabricated world to come crashing down around them? i think the latter... poor poor sheeple, so easy to manipulate, show them something on the news and they take it as gospel with no questions asked...
I can keep on going with the links for all the people that thought i was talkin out the ass... I can keep this up all day long.