How the Greenest Skyscraper Complex Ever Is Rising Out of the Rubble of the World Trade Center

That has to be the longest spam/troll I have ever seen! Imagine the time it took to get all that copy and pasted. Way to ruin this article. Thanks alot.

On topic, I think this is great! Absolutely GREAT! Since I work in the Commercial Construction Industry, 80% recycled waste is astonishing. My hat is off to the Contractors, what a great job.

Yeah, I've never seen the likes of that on this site, easily fixable with a character or line limit if any webmasters are reading.

"VERBAL-ABUSE" has way too much time on their hands... get a job or something.

9/11 was an inside job!

I don't like drchuck1 either, but if all you have to say about people is how horrible they are, are you really any better than the people you say are so horrible?

I can't wait to see this building when it's finnished.

why learn from your own mistakes, when you could learn from the mistakes of others?

And now we've got Aldron spouting conspiracy theorist stuff all over the articles. *Sigh*

@Aldron: Normally I'd disagree, but considering lots of people who had nothing to do with 9/11 are invited to the ceremony this weekend, yet the thousands of first responders who are among those still being killed by the repercussions of 9/11 are NOT invited, supposedly "because there's no room for them" gives me pause...

http://www.change.org/petitions/allow-first-responders-to-attend-the-10th-anniversary-ceremony-of-911

Anyway, the standards for building the new WTC are great, let's hope these standards are successful and quickly spread to the rest of the nation. We'll need them if all the prices keep going up while wages remain steady. We'll be broke, but at least the buildings will be efficient! :D

Ten years later and we still have holes in the ground.

This whole article exemplifies what is wrong with our country.

We can't do any more, but we sure can talk about feel good, do nothing green technology and how great it will be to be less than we were.

In ten more years, most likely there will still be just holes in the ground.

there are muslims in my family and I love them. They welcome any individual with amazing hospitality...Ok you might not get pork chops but youll be fed more than you desire.

They prone respect, they are hard workers. their values surpass many. They wish for all the things we do. peace, love prosperity..

I know none of these jihadists..i hate them

I wish love conquers all

@VERBAL-ABUSE while I may agree with you, people are free to type what ever they want. If the websites admins dont like it they can delete or ban it. just like your comment has been reported to the admins you should report his comments if they offend you, are off topic, or break other TOS rules.
you are breaking a TOS rule just as he is, and so am I by posting something so far off topic. its a sad world we live in, but this is the world we created. people should have done something about it a long time ago but i am sorry its too late now. we just have to live with it. the way I see it is, you teach your kids right and wrong, and let them read this website and its comments. Its just words and you tell them that. when you see something you dont agree with explain to them why, or you can forbid them from coming here. no one is forcing them to come to this site. and kids enjoyed science well before this site was up. Buy them the actual mag if you want.

Popsci just got rid of 1 troll who took over this site for a good week, but was trolling for a long time before that. You are not much better than him by posting a 50 page comment. We are all familar with Dr. chuck. his comments are nothing to the web.

if you really have that big a problem I suggest you find a company email add, or admin add, or even editors of the actual mag. dont waste our time and comment space with off topic comments please. and if anyone wants to report this comment for off topic. by all means do so. I try stay on topic.. but sometimes its hard.

You obviously took the time to copy and past all his comments, you could have just reported each and every one to the amdmis. its very easy and beilve it or not they do take action (if they agree with you). it just make take a couple days.

now back on topic...
to be perfectly honest the new "freedom tower" doesn't excite me at all. I don't think it is anywhere near as aye inspiring as the twin towers. The twin tower were plain, but they could be recognized instantly by anyone in the world. The new tower doesn't leave any impression on me whatsoever. It just another tower among towers. What sets it apart?

Back in the day when you were watching a movie or tv show and they showed NY for 1 sec you pick out the twin towers instantly. The freedom tower. not at all. it just blends in IMO.

@nonsquid I think he is being a little short sited and negative... its not so simple. They did have to actually clean up the area. 2 skyscrapers fell into one big lump of garbage. The clean up effort was not easy, and look at all the health risks. Not to mention the damage went down and around. They had to rebuild the subway system. The hudson river flood wall was basicly the basement wall of the trade center. they coudlnt just build away. they had to fix and make sure all these things are ok or fix them up to code if they were not.

also I am pretty sure that pic isnt current. there are not still holes I dont think. The tower is over 2/3 finished.

BUT I was curious and did a little digging. It only took 3 years to build both towers. 3 years from top to bottom.

AND looking at the pic agian. I think you are DEAD wrong. what you think are "holes" are actually the memorial reflections ponds. you need to get some of that negative energy realesesd somewhere other than this comment section.

I guess I am a little negative. So I forced myself to grin as I wrote this.

Yes those holes are reflection ponds, but they are as inspiring as a hole can be.

We are regressing in our ability to be able to build anything. We can no longer build space shuttle replacements, nuclear power plants, civilian supersonic airplanes, cell phones, iPads, shoes, ICBMs, lawn darts and now inspirational sky scrappers.

It has been ten years. We built the Panama Canal in 11 years and the Transcontinental Railroad in 6 years.

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i would like to have seen them rebuild the towers as they were with updated technologies and materials, this is nice but not as inspirational as the twin towers were, cheers

@VERBAL-ABUSE or Bubba Gump please just go away, forever. No-one cares about you or your life, so please stop making out as if they do.

@Aldron I used to think like that, but ask yourself how a conspiracy of that magnitude would/could ever be concealed, fundamentally it can't.

you need to start acting like an adult, Bubba

Considering how many civilians USA kills each year it's hard to feel bad about 9/11.

Why is Verbal Abuse being so to Dr Chuck?

From the postings dr chuck is putting trolls in their place.

How bad can Drchuck be? after all he is a doctor.

@nonsquid thanks for not being a tool in regard to my post.
I do agree with you and share your frustration.
you are exactly right. Look at the length of time it took us to get to the MOON from the time Kennedy made that speech.
It seems like it take the USA 3 years just to dig a ditch on the side of the road. Why dont we have high speed rail YESTERDAY. China decided to do it (they F%%%% up but thats not the point) and in less than 5 years have more high speed rails than any country. America is still thinking about how many pennies they want to contribute to the project.
We have seen the USA do some amazing things in VERY short periods of time. Here we are, more advanced than ever. 10% of work force in need of job, and it seems nothing is getting done or being built. Seems like the perfect combination if you ask me. Lets build some bad $$$ building and high speed rail and giant fence around our border.

@drchuck1 as much as I think dr chuck can be a total d bag, I 100% agree with him. I thought the EXACT same thing. They should have REbuilt the twin towers bigger better and taller with modern construction techniques and some bad ### anti air rockets launchers on top.

I also think its kinda funny that verbal abuse thinks Dr.chuck is a real doctor.

@readysetboom umm drchuck can be total cool and fine half the time and the other half he can be the biggest tool and troll popsci has EVER seen. any time someone densest agree with him he will call you a troll. any time he doesn't like what you have to say or he is constipated he will yell at you, call you names and call you a troll. just read through all those comments. he is rude and condescending and has no problem calling people trolls when in fact he is being a troll in most of those comments. in his defense he posts plenty of down to earth comments on topic and insightful. he isnt a troll all the time, just on full moons and days he is constipated it seems. I have had my moments where I was a total D bag on popsci over the last year or so, but I think I can count them on one hand.

oh yeah !! its troll time !!

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SERIOUSLY GUYS? ^^"""""

1. no one reads too long comments
2. no one works on sunday
3. i like french-fries...

bored? lets go mine the stars... ^^

@nonsquid and inaka_rob- Do you happen to know the safety record on any of China's projects? I really hope it would be better than that of the Panama Canal, but I have my reservations (between 5,609 & 22,000 died in it's construction http://www.pancanal.com/eng/general/canal-faqs/index.html)

I agree with you that at times it appears our country has lost it's drive, but then I read articles here that convince me otherwise (like this project being the greenest skyscraper complex ever built). I don't think its a matter of the US loosing our drive; rather, I believe we have inspired the rest of the world to step up their efforts. As Americans, we have grown accustom to being #1; and while we still are in some respects, is it so bad that someone else is beating us at something? At the end of the day, why can't we put our patriotism aside and celebrate HUMAN achievement? For better or worse, we simply live in a different world than in the glory days of projects like the Transcontinental Railroad. Ironically, that project was completed using American dollars and a global workforce; labors from the United States, China, and Europe- why not let someone else foot the bill for a change?

Thank you for indulging me /end rant

@VERBAL ABUSE / Bubba:

You should be ashamed of yourself for posting your whining rant on an article such as this.

[disregarding the other comments in the interest of time]

@Aldron's Last Hope

Of course this was an insided job. While that still remains theory, anyone can obtain access to the National Security Council reports from a decade ago to see that there are too many inconsistency with intelligence reports from multiple agencies regarding Al-Qaeda activities and their connection to the former Taliban government in Afghanistan. What's more is that day could have been prevented. But America's enemies happen to be American's too.

That aside. This is a testament to the will of an entire people. You can kill us! You can't stop us! We'll just keep rising up.

The extremists better have insurance. ### whoopin' insurance because they're all about to pay a deductable!

@pheonix1012...i hope that is sarcasm?

Please! All of those ridiculous conspiracy theories have been proved wrong.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

*proven

@Onihikage EXACTLY...why are the true hero's of 9/11 the brave policemen, firemen and volunteers that saved thousands not allowed at the ceremony?? I know why, but I'll tell the sheep. Fema announced that the air was safe to breath immediately after 9/11. Thousands of 1st responders are dead or dying of terminal diseases including lung cancer because of this lie. And the gov't cut off their benefits, they want them to die quietly. The U.S Gov't makes me sick. They are afraid the real hero's will speak the truth and ruin their precious photo up for the rest of the world. New Yorkers know what happened on 9/11.

@Jupiter///are you kidding me?? You are getting your science information from a magazine..LOL? Everything in that popular mechanics article is an out right lie. Reasearch Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth.

@Boka, hell yeah I feel bad for the first responders and the civilians that died, they were hard working honest people, while the bureaucrats sit back and make billions, innocents are innocents, in the U.S.A and Iraq.

@jamesbrett12..concealed? Are you kidding all you have to do is open your eyes and you will see evidence of the cover-up. Many FDNY and NYPD were hushed up on threat of their jobs, if they said anything about the bombs going off. Can you use you eyes? That was a controlled demolition.

@Verbal Abuse The only Dr, DrChuck speaks to is his anger therapist.

@pheonix1012 THANK YOU....we may disagree on other things, but this is one topic that has to unite all of us.

10 years later the WTC are two holes in the ground because the greedy SOB that took out a multi-billion $$ INSURANCE POLICY ON THE wtc 2 months before the attack, is sitting back lighting cigars.

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB OPEN YOUR EYES THAT WAS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. No planes hit building 7 and it fell in the same manner of a vegas casino.

Bush lied and said there’s no way they could have seen this coming. But on that morning they were having war games rehearsing that exact scenario. If some one tells a lie, they will tell another. WAKE UP PEOPLE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, or if you don’t believe in God for the love of science, for the love of gravity, and structural engineering…or for the love of your own country men. U.S.A has gone down hill since 9/11…I know I’m ranting….please wake up :-(

@drchuck1

Just speculation. Like I said it's theory. I'd like to be proven wrong, because no one wants to believe that their own countrymen would sell them out for a dollar and a cheap opportunity. Sad fact is they do.

We live in a capitalistic society. Most of us are on sell to the highest bidder. It's apart of that 'pursuit of happiness' concept. That means more to some than national pride. For them, they only tend to wave the national pride flag around when something tends to coincide with their personal interest. When it contradicts their interest they tend to charge these issues as un-American, communistic, or unconstitutional in attempt to project patriotism for the sake of appearances.

Regardless, the actions of greedy people do not bother or concern me. Anyone posing a threat to the safety of the U.S. (be they foreign or domestic) will eventually have to face extreme predjudice and listen to the sound of thunder.

I'm just happy to see that these structures are rising from the ashes of what we use to call 'ground zero.' Besides I think it's one of the best pieces of symbolism we can send to Al-Qaeda that says "#### YOU!!"

I like that.

Don’t let DrChuck bully you, he’s old and stuck in his ways. If you like science then check this site out. It’s thousands of accredited engineers and architects that prove that the official story is a lie. There’s no way those building could have collapsed like that. Spend some time and listen to what they have to say. They don’t get into politics, just the science of the matter.

http://www.ae911truth.org/evidence.html

Google Barry Jennings, he was an eyewitness that was killed because he was going to testify and was not going to lie.

Here is a true hero of 9/11 that even police men and fire men save their lives…he witnessed the whole thing, from the bomb going off in the basement, to the planes hitting the towers.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4380137365762802294#

There is a ton of evidence out there. All you have to do is not listen to the foreign bank controlled media (CNN, ABC, CBS, DISNEY) are all owned by the same corporations that seek to enslave you. And start looking for the truth. Sheep are Sheep because they refuse to look for themselves, they rather lies fed to them so they can sleep at night.

@ALH this is how any convo will go about the "9/11 lies" anyone else will give you qoutes and stats from professionals/specialist against all conspiracy theories/roof(controlled demo, molten steel, no pic/video or planes at pentagon, no wreckage at pentagon etc. etc.), you will call them lies or wrong, and state your own qoutes and statements from scientists, and professionals, and we will call them unqualified, liars, i just saved this forum 80 plus postings

@Aldron's Last Hope

I don't think I remember hearing about the Department of Defense conducting wargames on that day. That part sounds like a stretch. However, the CIA has used Osama Bin Laden as a foreign national agent for their middle eastern operations that goes as far back as the Iraq-Iran War.

Because, of the fact that whatever deal Bin Laden had with the CIA went south during the late 1980s, Bin Laden harbored resentment over his betrayal and vowed vengeance. The CIA has known about conceptual plans by Al-Qaeda to use high-jacked airliners as cruise missiles since then.

In the months leading to 9/11/01, intelligence reports from different agencies placed targets for attack and a general overview of the plan that might be inacted against these target to at least 90% accuracy (which is more than enough to make a critical decision). The lack of interagency coordination delayed the transfer of all the pieces of the intelligence puzzle that would have allowed for a timely response to prevent the attacks. The real question is what was the root cause for the inability of interagency coordination? If you think about how the infrastructure is suppose the work the answer is mostlikely political leading to something nefarious in the works.

Sure enough, this was good enough reason for the Bush Administration to legitimize a way to engage military operations in Iraq (which if no one was paying attention, had nothing to do with 9/11 and everything to do with Operation Desert Storm's failure to topple Saddam's regime) which many political analysis predicted President Bush would do even before he was elected to office.

Much of what has occurred is the result of multi-national business collaborations that many key players (to include the Bush family, the Bin Laden Family, and Saddam Hussein) had an active roll in, which eventually went sour and caused a severe falling out.

As far as the controlled demolition thing goes. That's a bit of a stretch to me as well.

@Aldron's Last Hope

I don't feel bullied by anyone. I'm just stating my thoughts on the subject matter.

@pheonix1012...i actually thought you were being sarcastic, planes as weapons are nothing new, but you probably knew that, meetings of heads of states before 9/11 had been protected by air defenses, we just got caught by surprise and didn't put 2&2 together, but hindsight is 20/20, cheers

sigh

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Tell them firmly:
I am not paid to listen to this drivel.
You are a terminal boob." - William S. Burroughs

@drchuck

It always is.

i have a co-worker who was the supervisor of the security personnel that failed to stop the hijackers at boston's logan airport, they were all grilled by the FBI for sometime, no conspiracy there, they just failed to follow precedure, which is to stop anyone who can't clear the metal detectors and find the metal, complacency kills, he wasn't present when the security breach occurred but i can tell he still feels guilty, RIP all those fallen and best wishes to those still suffering

@pheonix1012 listen to what I am saying and research it for yourself, prove me a liar or wrong..please.

"I don't think I remember hearing about the Department of Defense conducting wargames on that day. That part sounds like a stretch. However, the CIA has used Osama Bin Laden as a foreign national agent for their middle eastern operations that goes as far back as the Iraq-Iran War."

Google Operation Vigilant Guardian…it’s even on wikipedia

Now reasearch that, not just the link, but look into it. There were war games going on that same day about hi jacked aircraft...that's why there was "confusion". Truth is stranger than fiction.
““If you think about how the infrastructure is suppose the work the answer is most likely political leading to something nefarious in the works.”
I agree with your statement %100. Did you know on the morning of Sept. 11th for the first time in U.S HISTORY a president or vice president was in charge of NORAD. Dick Cheney gave a stand down order, or those planes would have been shot down, 5 mins after they went off course. Do you think that a little strange? Usually when a plane goes off course in U.S territory, f1 jets are sent to intercept within 5 mins…..however that faithful morning, NORAD stood down for 1hr and 25 mins SMH

Do you believe in heros? I believe people running into burning building while others are running out are heroes. Listen to what these brave men and women who gave their lives said about controlled demolition

Look at this…you are telling me this is not a controlled demolition? Remember no plane hit this building. 1st tiem in history a steel structure spontaneously falls, and the media did not say anything abou tit for years after the fact.

Google building 7

I had all the links laid out for you, but the spam filter is blocking them. All yo uhav eto do is google my points and you will see 100 articles on each subject

What a paranoid nut house this place is turning into.

I'm starting to miss Bubba.

The security firm in charge of Dulles airport, and WTC complex is was Securacom..run by Marvin Bush G.W’s brother. Coinceidence?? Look it up.

Come on! Only an idiot would believe that a pathetic security jerk was the lynch pin in 9/11 attacks. OMG

Quote from ALH "All yo uhav eto do is google my points and you will see 100 articles on each subject"

I did and the majority of the results are labeled "debunked" "myth" , etc.

Google Operation Vigilant Guardian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_operations_and_exercises_on_September_11,_2001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlAkF7E2nCs

Debunk that, then come talk to me. And what about Operation Vigalant Guardian...is that a myth?

Bush's brother did not run the company. He was on member of the BOD.

What do you think a BOD does?? Get coffee? Please come with better arguments...your attempts are futile.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

There is is all laid out for you...Securacom was run by the Bush family and it's friends and they were in charge of the WTC and the airports that the hi-jacked planes left from.

Board of Directors = in charge.

@ALH there is no point!!! you can cite evidence and i can cite evidence, but no one will believe anyone else, you say it was a conspiracy i say it was failure of communication/defense/vigilance S happens, and it really happened then.

He's not citing evidence. He's repeating assumptions made by the paranoid crowd.

@Aldrons Last Hope

NORAD controls nuclear launch capability and early warning systems to detect nuclear launch. They are not responsible for air traffic control. ATC monitoring is composed of a multitude of centers and systems that are not all coordinated with each other.

The reason why the airliners were not intercepted was because the leaders in the White House were rubbing sweaty palms as to whether or not they should order an F-15 to shoot down a passenger plane. It's bad PR for the U.S. military.

However the lack of making that call caused the lives of several people on the ground. It's as simple as that. No conspiracy there. You could say that the military should have shot down the planes, but would do you think that would have done to the public image of the U.S. military?

In the eyes of one purpose who would have lost someone to that action would not be thinking about the lives saved through one sacrificial action, but all responsible for the one's they've lost (i.e. the terrorists hijacking the plane, the pilot who took the shot, the commander and command unit the pilot was attached to, and the guy who gave the order to shoot the plane down). That's a hard decision for anyone to make.

Also, Operation Vigilant Guard is an annual military exercise conducted by NORAD and AFSC to test the DoD's readiness in the event of a nuclear war. The timing was not just coincidental but impecable.

Since the ending of the Cold War, the U.S. has based all of it's militaristic R&D for the next big Cold War/War World type of scenario. Because of the muddle of intelligence reports not being connected into a meaningful form of information, and the down play of the threat that insurgency played to national security eventually caused the breach that led to these aweful events.

a cascade of events led to the hi-jackers getting on board the planes, they were counting on beating the weak security at the airports and that is exactly what happened, it was a perfect storm of failures starting at imigration and the flight schools in phoenix and ending with the slow response after the hi-jackings began, case closed long ago except for the conspiracy theories

Jesse Ventura would be very proud of Aldrons Last Hope.

and CNN would be very proud of Jupiter1987...you regurgitate their lies. Ventura is veteran who put his life on the line, also a Governor…a simpleton like you second guessing this man means nothing.

Please so the fact the war games were running is just a coincidence, when earlier you said you find it unlikely? LOL…PHULLLEZ

If you really think a minimum wage security guard had anything to do with 9/11 you are a fool.

9/11 was an inside job!

All the evidence points to that….Engineers and Architects, witnesses that were there, policemen and firemen….you fools second guess these people from your living rooms? Pathetic…9/11 was an inside job case closed.

Don’t worry your economy will soon crumble and you will see just what your government is capable of.

"9/11 was an inside job case closed"

Case closed and landed right on your head.

You should figure out had to add doom and gloom, taking-over-the-world orchestra music to your posts.

Quotes from Aldrons:

"and CNN would be very proud of Jupiter1987...you regurgitate their lies. Ventura is veteran who put his life on the line, also a Governor…a simpleton like you second guessing this man means nothing.

"U.S military are a bunch of cowards. Like in WWI & WWII and even Vietnam, they were brave heroes…but now they are just serial killers and child rapists, heatless and soulless. "

Make up your mind, Aldrons

@Jupiter....the Governor served in Vietnam...nice try but as usual you fail.

"You should figure out had to add doom and gloom, taking-over-the-world orchestra music to your posts."

And you should figure out how to add some intelligence to your posts LOL

leave Bubba the fuck alone!
Bubba, ignore these punks. Don't stop posting, and keep the upbeat attitude, with frequently updated random profile pictures of westies.

I hear ya, gathem. At least Bubba's paranoid posts were entertaining. ALH must be a blast at parties!

Your hero Ventura admitted that he lied about his service record and he never saw combat. He also lied about being a SEAL when he was actually a frogman for the Underwater Demolition Team eight years before the two merged.

This is the guy you get you conspiracy theories from? A former WWF wrestler?

Syed Sohaib, Admin and author at:

www.what-technology.com

Dont need to read the article or comments to know THREE things that are 100% true 100% of the time on Popsci...

1. Aldrons Last hope is: saying NASA is lying, faked the moon landings, the CIA... the US army are nothing but child rapists... blah blah blah

2. bubba gump has mad another new account to get his 2 cents in...

3. the words "best" or "ever" has appeared in the title and that means it's "USA IS NUMBER 1" crap-tacular fluff, where the title object that is so "best ever" actually isn't.. at all.

Popsci : putting the douchebaggery in "popular science" a little more everyday!

cheers, eh

While you busy reviewing only the whack-job sites that agree with your myths, you should try Googling "paranoid schizophrenia".

@jupiter1987...exactly he was a demolitions expert...i think he knows how explosives work.

Before you accuse people of being paranoid, why don't you look at the facts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AalSqgitetI&feature=channel_video_title

Please wake up sheep...9/11 was an inside job

The world needs to stop lying to Adron about everything. He's on to you.

I suppose you believe there's a civilization of transplanted aliens at the center of the earth controlling the weather?

Aldrons Last Hope,
I like your different ideas. You not a typical sheep, going with the herd. Do not change for no one. ;)

@Tamiko Just because hes different doesn't make him right
@ALH we had this discusion before and you never gave viable rebuttals to my information why your theories are wrong other than "he lying" "your lying" " you don't know what your talking about" so why even bring it up, if you won't listen or research the rebuttals to your fantastical claims? Afraid of being wrong?

@Tamiko thanks, the sheep on here are in denial. These sheep can never change me…don’t change either ;-)
@Everyone…I expected better from the popsci community, instead of attacking me, instead of using straw man arguments like Ventura’s war record, instead of making outlandish statements…why won’t you argue the evidence I have provided? Why are you all so aftaid?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=channel_video_title
Explain how the failure of one column can cause the failure of the whole structure? (WTC 7) (there were 24 core columns, only 1 failed in the “report”, yet the whole building collapsed.
Explain what melted the steel at WTC (don’t say the steel was weakened….melted molten steel was found at the site, what caused it?)
The NIST report is just a computer model that was NEVER peer reviewed or included in the 9/11 commission report. How did building 7 fall at free fall speeds?
Explain why NIST never even TESTED for explosives?
Those are just inconsistencies..there are hundreds..answer just one of those scientifically and we’ll move on..if not I won this debate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AalSqgitetI&feature=channel_video_title

@Ianredneck….what questions or evidence have you provided…please reiterate and I’d be happy to answer. I am not wrong..9/11 was an inside job…the end.

You call yourself a scientific community…but when your own scientists, top Engineers from M.I.T..tell you that WTC 7 was demolished, you are afraid to except the truth.
Who here can refute wht this M.I.T Engineer professor says?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNbwLfczjt8&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL35E119852AA4FB4D

Who here can refute what this M.I.T physics PROFESSOR has to say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e_ImZYzNLs&feature=related
When faced with overwhelming scientific evidence, instead of accept the scientific facts you close your eyes, run in the corner and cry.
Feel free to attack and call me more names, but that is hardly a rebuttal to the evidence I have provided. And you call yourselves scientists?? LOL, learn from a real scientist.

@ALH as i have been challenged i defer the place of battle to you, choose your topic, and i will refute(even though its tough too when you end a a challenge with 'i'm right...the end" some ad libing applied"). Pick a theory and i will debunk.

Not sure why I'm getting involved with aldrons ridiculous conspiracy theories, but here's you so-call "molten metal":

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html

You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet, aldons. And stop worrying about my government.

Hey! Did you hear Mikey died from eating Bubble Yum contaminated with spider eggs.

Building 7 conspiracy theory debunked:

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

I'm not going to bore everyone busting the rest of your theories. Just read the entire website.

@Ianredneck….okay, lets do this here.

1st) Point of contention, please explain how WTC 7 collapsed. As seen in the Video here. Tell me why you believe this is not a controlled demolition, when all the evidence points to it being a controlled demolition.?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=channel_video_title

Remember there are 24 core columns in WTC7, according to NIST 1 failed which led to the collapse of the whole structure. I am telling you this is impossible, just like the engineers in the video will tell you. How is this possible? Is it a conicidence that Firefighters in the video can be seen and heard telling people they are about to bring the building down, moments before the controlled demolitian. Explain this imeccable coincidence.

@Greg

To your first point.

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html
There is nothing scientific in that whole post. Is this your evidence? You fail. Molten steel was witnessed, the pics that show it, the article just dismisses it “we don’t know where these pics came from?. Umm it came from the WTC. Second molten steel was witnessed by many, and they are using semantics to dismiss it

“Of course they could simply say that this particular report was mistaken, and the beam was “dripping” from something else. But on what basis do we dismiss this report and accept the others? “

“It doesn’t require special materials for a fire to approach 1000°C, then. And in this final case, one steel spring sample could have attained temperatures as high as 1204 °C. Whether the conditions in the debris pile would allow it is another matter, but beware people who dismiss this out of hand: no-one knows for sure.

None of this proves anything, of course, but it is interesting. Especially because, if this is an accurate photo of what someone was describing as “molten steel” then it’s clearly different from the entirely “liquid steel” that some people imagine.”
This is not scientific…there was molten steel witnessed yet NIST did not even test for explosives. NIST says the molten steel seen POURING out of WTC, was aluminum as well as office supplies, yet no experiments were done to prove this.

I point to billions of spherical steel balls found throughout WTC dust. This indicates that steel was super heated in an explosive manner. As seen here.
http://911expertsspeakout.org/9-11-evidence-billions-molten-iron-spheres-wtc-dust/
You are going to have to do a lot better than that.

@Greg,
This is the evidence you put forth? What a joke.

All I see is strawman from this website…I never really looked at the “debunking sites” but damn, they are pathetic, you’d think they would use some scientific data.

Most of the page is devoted to Siverstein saying “pull it” ..that has nothing to do with physics. The damge to building 7 was superficial as seen by the pics on that very website, and you can see that the building is not “engulfed” in flames…so how did it fall due to fire?

Again. Building 7 fell in freefall….that’s impossible w/o something removing the core columns. No debris magically fell through the building and cut the core columns. It was demolished.

As this M.I.T physics professor tells why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e_ImZYzNLs&feature=related

Please have some science to back up your claims like I have. You are wasting our time indeed.

Why do no debunking sites actually have video of the freefall...what are they afraid of?

You're completely fucking nuts. I posted the first link I found because I have better thing to do with my life than research whether Santa clause exist or not (sorry Bubba).

Move on any worry about Canada. I'm dismissing you now, professor.

baa baa

But one last thing:

OMG! I can't believe this! Why are the news organizations and the US government hiding this from us?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDU3QHo6_aQ

@Greg
Again you prove my point. You resort to name calling which means nothing coming from you for you.

I debunked your debunking site, and did it quite easily, all I had to do was read it..it was gibberish. And I rebutted with the question on micro molten spheres found in the dust that can only be formed is a super heated state. If you had the intellect or capacity to prove that wrong I would have started in with the nano-thermite as seen here.

http://investigate911.org/

But you don’t have the wherewithal to debate me, not when I’m the one on higher ground.

I am NOT talking about Santa Clause, I’m talking about 9/11, and people that don’t care about 9/11 (like you) shouldn’t get into this debate. You compare 9/11 to a fairy tale? Go play some more WoW.

The only mention of the M.I.T professor that I have provided as to my side was in calling me “professor”. Lol, you will never be an M.I.T professor (and neither will I) But at least I can listen to what these minds have to say, instead of relying on debunking website that was written at 7th grade level.

*FACEPALM* cower in defeat you have just been pWNED.

@Greg I weep for you. That video gave me an insight to your mind (lack thereof). You are faced with the truth so you lose all self-respect? Go change your diapers.

too funny...

I'm being yelled at by a punk who was probably still watching Barney as I watched the 2nd tower fall (with an old friend still in it) with my own eyes. The fairy tale is your theory, not the event.

You sure do love flexing your anonymous computer muscles.

Since you mentioned WTC 2, here is some physics for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7kGZ3XPEm4&feature=related

Controlled demolition on building #2

If you don't understand physics...try using some common sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3151MqXu52s&feature=related

Science shall set you free

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khm423m6DD0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Odp1FO0Vmuw

God you're an obnoxious shit head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd8B-8Au-Wk&feature=related

Anyways I proved my point...if anyone has anything intelligent to add....please go ahead. But as seen earlier, insults and trying to bait me into name calling and straw man arguments will be exposed like I just exposed Greg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3JmXQ-z8S4&feature=related

9 11 was one of the biggest scam in history. the "elite" profited from this the same way Vanderbilt and Rockefeller did during WW2. wake up sheep!!

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You only proved that you can copy and paste, son.

@JediMindset Big Up!!

At everyone else......science, is a beautiful thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIx2CVRxRXg&feature=related

he's goofing on you, pin head

The only clown / pin head here is you, you would know that if you would only pay attention. LMAO...you have the intellect of an 8th grader. And can't tell sarcasm from sincerity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JithuVAIb7Y&feature=related

Now go play, adults are speaking here, you have proven that you do not have the intellect to participate.

@ALH
to say that one column was damaged intially in the impact of WTC 1 into WTC 7 concedes the point that damage was done to WTC 7 in the fall of WTC 1. When this fell it created damage in a 10 story section of the building in the north wall, as well as a damage to the southwest corner of the building. When this damage occured fires broke out in decent portions of the building, as we should know it only takes 50% of the melting point temprature of steel for it to lose 60% of its strength. It has also been demonstrated that building that are caught on fire can create ceiling tempratures(not even the actual temprature of the fire) of around 1100 degrees, at 1560 its 50%. So lets say a few fires raged on the inside and weakend those supports, because of the damage and lack of resources that building fires were not managed, that these supports were weakend on the inside. These few damaged, and destroyed supports could have acutally been critical "single-point" failures to the design. As descrribed here
http://www.structuremag.org/Archives/2007-11/SF-WTC7-Gilsanz-Nov07.pdf

also this explains it much better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kSq663m0G8&feature=related

damage and fire is much more extensive than you proclaim it to be, also this shows it collapsing like 25 times no fear big fella

look for the penthouse collapse 3-4 seconds before the main collapse, i think this is critical. also to the whole argument sake of this fact. Why would a planned group do a controlled demo? lets say this has been planned for months before, every angle looked at...why would they do a controlled demo, would they just demo a few beams make it look eratic? y so precise? also show me one video, that shows an I beam being cut in half while vertical, the cut being horizontal, by thermite. when thermite burns it tends to act like molten metal and fall with gravity, not burn horizontal, if it wasn't thermite where the multiple explosions that should have been heard?

@lanredneck - You're wasting your time. He's much smarter than all of us combined and is most likely convinced we all ALL involved in the conspiracy.

baa baa

Aldrons Last Hope,

Oh these other people, they will argue everything for the pure joy of wasting your own time.

It is a complete fact to drop a building straight down, precisely takes much engineering of demolition, setting of charges and timings. And it takes a life time of experience, which is also why its part art.

These building were hit from the side, imprecisely with a strange force to the structure. The burning fuel was not even in burning too.

But I am just a blonde. What do I know, except to have a clear vision of the truth.

You have to be a different kind of person not to be a sheep and just feel and know the facts around you. Goodnight. ;)

STFU bubba

@Ianredneck, the article does not account for free fall. Also the kink in the penthouse is a tell tale sign of controlled demolition. It took NIST 7 years to fabricate this lie. WTC was not even mentioned in the 9/11 report. The way the building fell defies logic. That article was never peer reviewed and an investigation into this hypothesis from an independent source has been barred. Again molten steel was found at WTC 7.

Here is the video that shows thermate cutting steal beams, and witnesses saying they heard explosions, and they are also debunking popular mechanics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DonpXB6gjPA

Now I have a few questions.

Why was weapons grade nano-thermite found WTC dust? As seen here.

http://investigate911.org/

Why did NIST investigate for explosives at any WTC site? They blatantly broke procedure.

This is the first time in history steel sky scrapers collapsed due to fire, at free fall speeds at that, why was all the evidence / debris immediately shipped off and destroyed? This is criminal.

As for why they did it.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

This is their own literature, outlining their plans in the East, 9/11 was the catalyst, the blank check they needed.

Aldrollonandon: You're researching bible to justify god. Post some actual proof and stop copying and pasting. You're regurgitating nonsense and we are laughing at you. The internet lies sometimes.

Thanks for the entertainment.

As we all post our comments, here is some food for thought:

Definition of "hearsay":

1. Unverified information heard or received from another; rumor.
2. Law Evidence based on the reports of others rather than the personal knowledge of a witness and therefore generally not admissible as testimony.

@ALH not all of WTC 7 fell at "free fall speeds" the inner penthouse and the inner parts of the building feel 2-3 seconds before the outside of the buildign collapsed, it did't "kink" it fell, and it only free falled for the first 8 stories,approximatlye the same amount that the critical supports took up. Also pick one, was the NIST report accurate or false you can't pick and choose, either it was corrupt or it was true?
You also missed my point, why have the building fall at "free fall speeds" if this was all demoed why do it that way? why not place the charges sporadically? make it look like it fell by itself, if they had enough time to rig the entire building! one more time the entire WTC 1,2, ans 7! with explosives and "nano thermite" why did they make it look so unnatural?

AS to the thermite, did they actually find thermite, or traces of it? if it was traces, explainable, every ingredient can be explained by the contents of the building.

The device that was on that website showed cutting small i beams, do you know how big they would have to be to cut the supports of the WTCs? huge and many of them! And how/why was the plane impacted, because we are assuming this was the same people that set the explosives, at the same level the thermite/demolition charges placed, these guys had training on cesnas(sp?) in floridia. To place the plane on the same level as those charges? really precise there....

@ Greg_NJ regardless of whatever nonsense is posted on this artical about this being an inside job the fact of the matter is that two plans impacted with the towers of the world trade center. I know this not from some ridiculous website or even from the millions eye witnesses on the ground but from one of the 3 people I knew that died that day. I had a close friend in tower two who just happened to be looking out his window on the South side as flight 175 hit around 9 am. The last call I got from him and his last words were "I can't believe that I just saw a plane hit our building. I need to get out of here. I will call you when I am safe". No number of consiracy or half cocked explosive expert's opionion can change that. You waste your time with any type of exchange with that guy. He spews nonsense. The next thing out of him will probably be how the holocaust is a hoax as well.

Now as for the real point of this artical I think this is a great step in the right direction. What would be a better place to display the most advanced green energy designs then the site of one of the worst attacks on US soil. We need to start commercializing this technology on a global scale and this will go a long way to help achive that goal.

The end

@Ianredneck the kink in WTC proves controlled demolition, demolitions experts were saying that since Sept.11th. Why did it take NIST 7 years to come up with that report? Everything in that report is not based on facts. Fact is they destroyed all of the evidence. Also this is the first time in history that a steel frame sky rise fell from fire. It can only be shown on a computer model. It’s impossible. And the government refused to open a real investigation….they keep wanting our sympathy for 9/11 victims, when the victims families are the ones pursuing the truth.

This is how NIST put together their report. Building free fell, prove it fell due to fire. And their explanation defies the laws of physics. The fact remains there are 24 core columns and all of them would have to fail simultaneously for a building to fall at the speed of gravity. There was no resistance.

Nano-thermite was found throughout the dust of WTC. All I am asking is HOW it got there. This is weapons grade nano-thermite, it can’t just be produced through fire and office supplies. So again please explain to me how the nano-thermite got there. I already provided the link to what was found. And again, please understand, that weapons grade nano-thermite cannot be magically produced through aluminum, and office supplies.

I ask again…Why did NIST NOT investigate for explosives in WTC1 or WTC2, or WTC7. This is criminal and cannot be excused. In any fire investigation, the FIRST thing that is done is investigate for foul play. Yet on 9/11 NIST investigators were instructed not to look for incendiaries, or evidence of them. Why do you suppose that was done?

Again, why do you suppose all of the WTC wreckage was immediately shipped to China and destroyed? This is the biggest crime scene in U.S history, yet all the evidence is destroyed. Why would the government do that?

You asked me to show you proof of Thermate cutting steel and I did. The people who conducted those experiments are engineers. Those are scale models of the actual steel beams in WTC, all they have to do to produce a real world effect is have their “box cutter” scaled to size. Now if Engineers can come up with that in their back yard and prove popular mechanics a joke…what do you think a million $ budget would produce?

Your question “why did they make it so unnatural” is a pretty easy one to answer. They are greedy; they didn’t want to pay insurance money to the surrounding property owners. The owner of WTC collect billions in that attack. Follow the Money.

I await your answers.

Also please keep in mind, that all the evidence I am producing is backed by PHD’s, Engineers, and Scientists, Fire Fighters, and 9/11 heroes.

I hate when people go online and pretend they know people that died in WTC. And this is even worse, pretending that you got a call from someone that died. Please, you are a coward and a liar.

@ ALH Ahhh you are certainly consistent. Alas I would except nothing less. Of course you would say that. How can you possibly refute I witness testimony other can calling them liars and cowards. It does seem to be a trend with you. As I read your sad little comment I think to my self as to why I joined this forum in the first place. It may have been simply to add a voice to counter your attempts to dishonor the US military men and women who put themselves in harms way everyday or maybe it was to counter your pathetic attempts to disrespect the memory of those who died in the 9/11 attacks with your ridiculous theories. Though those are noble reasons I feel it might have been because I had a little free time on my hands and I was bored. You see it is a little cloudy and rainy right now and though I would prefer to be elsewhere enjoying my life instead of engaging in any exchange with you I have limited options at the moment. So here is a theory of my own design. I can't help but notice that what an abundance of time you seem to spend trolling this website. However inappropriate your nonsense is for this forum it does take time to acquire and distribute it. Is it perhaps because you cannot hold a job? Let's be honest... who would want to work with such a sad little troll as yourself. Perhaps you live with your parents who have no choice but to support you and this is the source such unlimited time and internet access. In any case this is simply a theory as I do not have access to such an abundance of "facts" as you seem too. Ahh but look. The rain has stopped and the clouds are clearing. I think I will go out now. Perhaps I will go enjoy the company of a woman or see a sporting event. Maybe I will just take a simple walk on the beach. Perhaps you should try one of these activities. It may help you become a more balanced individual. Whatever I do know that as I finish this post the farthest thing from my mind will be whatever other nonsense you choose to post on this site. Have a nice day and god speed.

@dogmatic, you want us to believe that you had a friend that called you during the attacks of Sept.11th? You are a liar.

“. It may have been simply to add a voice to counter your attempts to dishonor the US military men and women who put themselves in harms way everyday or maybe it was to counter your pathetic attempts to disrespect the memory of those who died in the 9/11 attacks with your ridiculous theories”

Wow I have an influence on you huh? LOL, thanks I also influence the non-sheep to think for themselves, something you refuse to do.

You have the nerve to mention the 9/11 victims families. Keep those people out of your propaganda. For you see they are on my side. They want a new investigation; they know 9/11 was an inside job. So think before you speak boy. This video is just a sample of THOUSANDS of victim’s families that know your corrupt government is lying. What are you going to call these people liars, or conspiracy theorists?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtU69oWVNJY

“Enjoy the company of a woman” LOL yeah right, either a hooker or a high school chic.

You are a brain dead sheep, I’m at work right now actually, I have a trusted team to take care of things for me while I put you in your place. Sheep like you are more likely to live with parents…to afraid to venture out on your own..LMAO.

I find it ironic that someone on this forum is complaining that another person is on the forum therefore has nothing to do?? LOL…Please invest in some logic.

Listen to what your own congressmen have to say about 9/11

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel

Debunk this video, debunk your own honest politicians

Hey obnoxious little turd! Why are you so concerned about my government?

Gosh, this article comments will be as long and as tall as all the floors of the new building.

Well I am on the side of ' Aldrons Last Hope '.

Don't let these gus pull you down and distract you from all the other good articles you can comment on. These guys just eat you life and soul. Its what they do...

Aldrons Last Hope, good dreams.
You have a good mind, enjoy it and use it. ;)

@Greg_NJ
im not goofing on him. im being honest. i just hate the injustice that americans put up with. most always follow the leader off the cliff. the only good president was JFK. He knew what was going on behind the curtains that's why he was killed. Some say that he was going to tell the public that aliens really exist and that we had bodies in area 51. so yeah, 911 was an inside job and many profited from it.

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@ALH i have no idea what you mean by "kink', i see it there and then i see it falling, 2-3 seconds before the rest of the building, again was there traces, or was there actual large portions of unburnt thermite found? As to why they didn't look for explosives i will tell you why. They saw a large jumbo jet fly into a building, that building caught fire, that building fell. If i see a kid holding matches next to a gas can next to a building on fire, i'm probably not going to ask at first whether it was an electrical fire. I also don't believe you have a link for this fact that they were told not to look for explosives. Probably also because they didn't see anything explode. Because nothing did.

Also your excuse because they were greedy. doesn't suffice. they wouldn't pay a thing. Not there fault so they don't pay. So what was the incentive to make a controlled demo, with almost every floor rigged with high explosives, expensive/hard to come by "nano thermite"having this thermite rigged in large and specially engineered contraptions, again on every floor, instead of rigging it on a few floors. You also still didn't tell me know they rigged the plane to hit on the same exact floor, with the highjackers have little experience, as the explosives. Explain that too me. Also realize that if these thermite device where around the columns they would have had to remove heat shielding from around the column, no easy task. That or the made large cannisters with more thermite.

your question to why was it shipped to china, easy answer, where were they goign to put it? Central park? Millions of tons of rubble, and what where they going to do rebuilding the building like they do planes? No they got rid of it. And at the time, china was buying up all sorts of scraped metal to fuel there industries, i remeber this becasue my father and i used to scrap metal and we were getting 7-10 dollars per lbs for copper unheard of! and this applied to most scrap metal prices. The scrap went up fro sale china bought most of it. Some was actaully repurposed as a ships keel.

One last point, a million dollar budge would get you almsot no where, we are talking probably something closer to 10-25 million easy, cost of diminshing returns.

Greg, did you join popsci so you could troll me too? Get a life and go read a book, you have the wits and commentary of an 8th grader.......Lmao

I don't think you laugh at all

@IanRedneck What I mean by kink is you see a kink in the top of the building right before it is demolished, before it falls perfectly into it’s basement. This is evidence of controlled demolition. Think about this, if it’s that easy to bring down skyscrapers, why don’t demolition companies just set the buildings on fire? It would be a lot cheaper than using all those explosives.

No plane hit WTC 7 so what is the excuse there? Why did NIST not test for explosives? Here is the evidence that they did not test for explosives.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosives_evidence_timeline.html#draft_contents

Where the planes hit doesn’t matter, explosives were planted in the structure of the building. You can see WTC1 & WTC2 being exploded out as it collapsed, 20 ton beams are being tossed outward. Go back and look at the footage, look at how huge pieces of the building are being thrown outward, the energy to do that had to come from somewhere. (hint explosives)

“They shipped the wreckage to China because they wanted to sell it / there was no space in central park.” Come on, I don’t buy that at all. There is tons of open land in the U.S they should have shipped the wreckage to a secure location, where it could be studied, that’s the scientific thing to do. Instead they destroyed the evidence as soon as they could, because they are crooked liars. They did not do it to make a buck. They shipped it to China, to get it off of U.S soil and destroyed because 9/11 was an inside job.

You realize that Bush’s brother was the director of the security company at WTC. They had access to the buildings 24/7 and they planted explosives to bring the twin towers down.

A 747 hit the Empire state building, did that come crashing down? No, and like the Empire State building, the WTC was built to withstand a hit from a 747. The fact that it was a 767 doesn’t matter, the building would have never collapsed / exploded like that.

Listen the corporations that are bleeding the U.S dry right now, made BILLIONS of 9/11 so 25, 50, 100 million is nothing for them to invest in this, it is tax payer money after all (free money to them)

@Tamiko These trolls can never pull me down, listen to their commentary….it indicates what is in their brains, they joined popsci just so they could troll me, they are my fan boys. And they must love to look like fools.

But I do enjoy a spirited debate, which is what Ianredneck and I are having. I may not be able to change his views, but trust me there are many readers reading this and I have opened their eyes…if I reach just 1 person I have done my job.

The trolls want my attention, they should feel honored I even acknowledge their filthy minds…

Thanks,

I like the job you do too. My point earlier is I appreciate when you comment on other topics on POPSCI. It feels great to give off different points of view on subjects. When we break up the heard of sheep, they are lost for a moment and have to think for themselves.

Often in the journey back we all see new things. Nice surprises and more good comments from others are then added to the article. ;)

@ALH ok, lots to respond to so lets break this sucker down

why not use fire to use demolition it worked in the WTC 1,2 and 7 right? Because weaking the beams like what happened in these buildings is unpredictable. and the have serious repercusions, environments, complaitns due to smoke. Demolition controlled, and compartmentalized.

A plane did not hit WTC 7 true. But large/huge chucks of the WTC did, leave some where between 10-20 story gashes in the side of the buidling pentrating 1/4 of the way in. Excess weight and structural degredation, fire fighter were pulled out due to the extensives fire and fear of building collapse due to the noises the buidling was making.

I think where the planes hit has everything to do with it. look at the videos of it falling. wheres does the falling start? in the damaged floors where the plane hit. not a the very top. These charges would have either started at the top and worked down, or started down worked up through the building, or started where the plane hit and worked down. The first two are out because you don't see it. The third is so implossible is rediculous to even think possible. Please explain why where the plane hit is where the collapse started.

According to the evidence that you presented no one told them not to look for it, they didn't because they found a more plausible situation the fire. negligent yes! Criminal no!!!!

Also to the plane hitting. During regular well controlled demolitions. People are not even allowed to use cell phones on the site after the charges are wired for fear of setting off the charges. Are you telling me that a 767 flying into the building at cruise speeds would not seperate or damage charges, or the lines that feed the charges?

As to the statements about the rubble and land, your reading my statement wrong. To do a forensic analysis they would have to ship the debris some where and essentialy rebuild it. Like they do in plane crashes otherwise you would no idea where rock 3 billion came from in the building. Actually where they brought the rubble they actualy sifted through most of that rubble for human remains. Plenty of time for any one today any kind of trace analysis. it wasn't hustled off some where.

The didn't want to make money of the scrap metal its jsut that they brought it to a place to dispose of it. and at the time china was buying up scrap metal on the market. here are tons of scrap metal, where is a logical place this stuff would go. China.

As to the ESB and wtc plane comparison, apple and oranges, the WTC towers are so different from the design of the ESB

Don't know how the current situation of the economy and an event that happened 10 yrs ago have a correlation, and neither do i care. My point with the 10's of millions of dollars are two fold. A.) the expenditure of that type of capital is mind boggling, you say petty cash to some, i say that people watch, not jsut in law enforcement, for that kind of expenditure. Also to get this kind of back would have to make many people implicit. Which all goes to my resound arguemnt to why this whole thing never could have happened. But we will save this for later ;)

last and finnaly least please explain why the demos were so controlled? I have yet to hear a plausible explanation for this!

Also explain how these fairly large devices were fit around all these supposrt columns with shielding removed, with no one knowing that this had happened?

You prove my point. Demolition by fire and it’s theoretical collapse (if any) would be unpredictable. They how did WTC 1 & 2 fall in the EXACT same way? And WTC fell in a controlled demolition fire. Listen carefully…by that afternoon, all the fires in WTC 7 were put out. Testimony by Barry Jennings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DuSeuxjiJQ the fire fighters were having a coffe break INSIDE WTC 7 before it’s collapse. There were no raging uncontrollable fires. WTC was brought down by controlled demolition..
Charges were placed thorough out WTC 1 & 2 no matter where the plane hit they could have detonated the explosives at that point.
So you admit that the investigators neglected their duties, that’s a start, if you look further it wasn’t incompetence, it was criminal. They saw melted molten steel, office fires, and even jet fuel cannot account for that. And when we question that, the easy answer is “Oh they messed up, neglect and incompetence”. No sorry we are not buying that, NIST and the 9/11 commission are not just incompetent, but criminal.
How did they rig it so that the charges didn’t go off? How did they get a man to the moon? Engineering, they used science.
You are right WTC is different than ESP, WTC was far more superior, and engineered to withstand more, they were at the some of the tallest buildings in the world.
This is a PEER REVIEWED PAPER written by a PHD engineer. http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/WhyIndeedDidtheWorldTradeCenterBuildingsCompletelyCollapse.pdf this outlines why the controlled demolition hypothesis is not only feasible, but likely.
The fact remains, that all the remains of all those TONS and TONS of steel and concrete are 200 pcs that NIST saved. They disposed of the steel and molten concrete as soon as they possibly could. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html This was also criminal. This should have been saved and studied for years. But like I said the first thing a criminal does is get rid of evidence.
You asked me again how they managed to do this under people’s noses. Okay major renovations were being done at WTC at the time, large portions of the buildings had been empty over the summer, G.W’s brother ran the security company, also security camera’s were shut off on the weekends…this is all documented. Just look for it. If you wanted to olant bombs in a building, and your brother held acess to everything in the building…how hard do you think it would be to do this?
You don’t care what this has to do with your economy? I already provided you with links to the governments own document on the “New American Century” Because of the U.S dependence on oil, they need to secure resources in the middle east. (Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, and yes eventually Saudi Arabia). Now they couldn’t just go raging war…no they needed and I quote “A pearl harbor event” to scare the public into endless wars. That was 9/11. And it was worth it. Think every penny is monitored? Let me explain why you are so mistaken. Have you ever heard of the Iran contra scandal? The U.S was using drug money (coke) from central America, to buy guns for the Iran contra’s. 10’s of Millions of dollars, off the record..BALCK BUDGET. This was a conspiracy proven in a court of law and it’s a matter of U.S history. Never mind the 3 TRILLION that congress was investigating the Bush administration for. It was announced the day before 9/11 that 3 TRILLION (with a T) was missing from Bush’s budget. The next day September 11th happened; WTC 7 and the section of the pentagon that was hit held all the records (coincidence?). And it was brushed under the rug. 9/11 made the Bush admin 3 TRILLION right there. So please don’t think for a second that government accounts for tax payer money.
I hope you read the paper that sent you. I hope you look into the links I sent you. I have proven my point.
Yes these devices were on the support columns…that explains why the corrupt government were so quick (almost immediately) to get rid of the evidence.
Ianredneck, I know I won’t be able to convince you, the only thing that will convince you is if congress and the supreme court find Bush guilty. But you have to understand, for us to get to that point a real investigation has to be done. You are from Norfolk Virginia, home of the largest Naval base in the world, home to the defense head quarters of NATO. Norfolk is a Military town, I think that has something to do with your mindset.

Listen to what JFK has to say about 9/11

Vhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxnpujfanUM&feature=related

I said this earlier:

"I hate when people go online and pretend they know people that died in WTC. And this is even worse, pretending that you got a call from someone that died. Please, you are a coward and a liar."

I think that makes me look like a dickface.

@ALH Northfield Vermont, home of maple syrup and skying, and wool socks.

That was like 2-3 yrs ago, i live in mass now, grew up in PA.

Anyways back to my other points. You still don't explain y the planes hit and the point where both the towers collapsed was the same. or how the impact of the planes did not damage fragile/volatile explosives/thermite charges. If your explanaition is sciences engineering, then my answer to why the towers fell the same is luck/coincidence, untill you explain my questions away those are my answers because they are the same quality you gave mine.

Also still no good reason to why they all fell unnaturally, even with all the planning!

No negligent does not always equate to criminal. This is the case of people thinking/knowing the answer to a question they haven't asked yet. It happens.

As too your paper, i reject its validity for many, many reasons. First and foremost, you can not have a "peer reviewed article" in a biased journal/publication, i have written peer reviewed articles, non published, but i have also taken countless hrs in classes on determining the validity and reliability of articles. The article that you provided was posted in a bias journal. It is a biased article. That little "experiment" that the author conducts is not credible for many reasons, the ratio of Aluminum to solid organics is not true to what would have been in the building, much more organics to molten aluminum. This would have drastically difference effects when it fell.
The more i read of this article the less i can take it seriously. When you right these things you can be biases "dramatic footage" "SAME CORNER" lolz, "Who can deny that liquid, molten metal existed at the WTC disaster?" really?

actually the fact about the ESB is that the floors are much closer and the supports and the frame of the building where integrated through out the building so much more, also less fire and fuel in that fire, as well as the fire being contained quicker and better. Apples oranges.

middle parts rantings, with no basis in fact.

I know about the Iran contra issue. Again caught by an audit, for both, things where discovered. The government, even in black ops accounts, accounts for every dollar. You just don't always see it happening or see the papers for it.

So for coup de grace, in this discussion.

The overlying fact why this conspiracy could not happen!

The fact that this conspiracy is so large, and so intricate makes it impossible. All the people that would need to be bribed, bought off, told to lie, not see things, open doors, turn off cameras, write off military grade thermite/thermate, intricate and detailed engineering plans, devices, and all of the necessary coincidences.

Lets start it off with people and bribes, the amount of people that would need to be bribed and payed off for this, easily reach into the thousands. The blackops account with which this supposed money came from, people watch this and handle the money, bought off, the security guards that looked the other way, opened doors, turned off cameras. The demo experts that design created and installed the explosives/thermite devices. The military personnel in charge of inventorying this high grade explosives, getting it on and off the bases, the security guards at the airport allowing the terrorist on the plane, etc. etc. all being payed thousands of dollars equal to 100's or millions of dollars, no one saw this type of money being moved? Not one of them learned what happened and had an instance of guilt and turned themselves in or blew the whistle? not one? a person can't fart in my office with ten people telling me about it, but this intricate and highly involved scheme gets nothing?

How about the end cause for this? Money supposedly, where is GW and his brother, on there private islands in the carribean? South pacific? nope sitting in his ranch with people running there cars into it. Where the payoff? to his friends? so he could do what? whats the incentive for GW Bush? if there is none, then why would his brother do anything? Even though hes on the BOD as opposed to having any direct operation over view aka no real possible way he could direct anything to happen with the security at that level.

Then there are the flaws. For a conspiracy to be this big why all the flaws, the building falling unnaturally which you still have yet to explain. The connecting to GW with his brother. How the plane crash site and the place where the building started to collapse where the same, how where they able to get the two places so close?

When things start getting this complicated and this involved people will not be able to keep it a secret for long, you have given alot of examples for it, Iran contra, the black ops money thing. people talk its what we do.

Okay first of all Popsci tech, are you so afraid of me you have to hack my account, and now I can't upload comments from my phone?

Friggin cowards, if you want to debate me make an accout and lets throw down, but no you choose the cowards way, try to discredit me, I have news for you, you can't discredit the truth.

Quote from Aldrons:
"I said this earlier: "I hate when people go online and pretend they know people that died in WTC. And this is even worse, pretending that you got a call from someone that died. Please, you are a coward and a liar."

I think that makes me look like a dickface."

You've finally said something that we all agree with.

@IanRedneck

Okay so you are not buying my science and engineering answer. You are right, it would be difficult, if not impossible for a human pilot to accomplish this feet. Many professional & military pilots have said it was IMPOSSIBLE for those hijackers to pull that off. Mohamed Atta took flight training on a Cessna. His flight instructor said he could barely get it off of the ground. And we are to believe this amateur, flew a 767 almost outside of its limits and crashed it precisely into WTC? Same with flight 77

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hanjour.html

Question. What do you think about Bush lying to America saying that “there was no way he could have seen this coming”. When on that very morning they were running drills about hijacked planes flying into the twin towers? That was a bare faced lie! Is this another coincidence? All these coincidences are not raising a doubt in your mind?

There is a possibility that the planes were remote controlled. NASA perfected remote controlled flight in the 80’s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Impact_Demonstration

Now if you are wondering, how could the government even picture remote controlled planes flying into WTC…there is no way they could have imagined it right?? Well how come the genius’s (sarcasm) at fox thought about this in March 2001?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OJZPUE4rwE

So I answered how they were able to fly the planes so precisely, and provided links that the “hi-jackers” were not even capable of flying a 767. It’s akin to learning how to drive a Civic, then jumping into an 18 wheeler going 100 miles an hr and trying to fit it into a 2 car garage….not going to happen.

You reject that paper because it is bias. Well I reject the NIST report because it was / is bias, and I have even posted links of the American congressmen saying it was bias and unscientific…okay, unscientific. Here is the link again. They actually wrote their conclusion BEFORE the investigation…is that science?
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel
I think by having less organic material in the aluminum it plays into NIST, they were being conservative. The more organic material, the more discolored the molten aluminum would look. Not like the bright red steel that was pouring out of WTC. Molten metal = incendiaries.

Okay so you are standing firm with the “every penny is accounted for” stance. Okay then how come you didn’t answer me to where the 3 TRILLION (with a T) went. 3 TRILLION (with a T) is missing…isn’t it possible that some of that money went to fund 9/11? Be honest with yourself.
The overlying fact is that there are too many discrepancies, the conspiracy DID happen.
You say too many people had to be involved, it’s impossible. Did you not listen to the JFK speech? Listen to what he is saying. He blatantly says there are secret societies with VAST human resources and wealth working towards global enslavement. He was addressing congress and the nation; this is the last (but not the first) president that tried to warn us about this. And he, the president of the U.S got his brains blown out because of it. On top of that, they lied about his murder. The official report says he was shot in the back of the head by LHO. Because that’s where LHO was, in spite overwhelming evidence, forensic, and the home video showing Kennedy being shot in the front of the head and being pushed back. Now I’m no forensic scientist, but you would have to be literally retarded not to see that he was shot in the FRONT of his head. And all of these professionals, including Dr’s, said he was shot in the back of the head. And most Americans bought that. BUT I DIGRESS.
Listen to the JFK speech, he is trying to warn you.
The Carlyle group has made Billions off of these wars. It’s a good little scam they got going, Bush Senior, Kissinger, Cheney and their cronies. It’s not about money to these people they have all the money they need. It’s about power and control, think of all the privacy rights you have lost since 9/11. As a country think of the morals you have lost…legalized tourture? That’s so uncivilized and medieval . Killing millions world wide for oil. Rember all the bansters made their money from oil.
You gave an example in your office. I bet if a memo was sent out that if anyone talks about passing gas, they will be fired and investigated, or killed, and if they keep quiet they will get a 10,000 bonus, bet know one ever says a word again. Humans can be pressured and bribed, it’s what we do.
I stand firm sir, 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB
To whoever is hacking my account, I know many truthers that have this same problem. Why not just delete my account? No, you have to discredit me first, when you do these things you don’t discredit us, you show your fear of us and make us stronger. :-p

@parker88 that wasn't me you idiot, I'm waking people up, so soemone is trying to discredit me.

SHEEP BE GONE!!

Someone is really losing their shit.

Quote from Aldrons Lost Hope:
"There is a possibility that the planes were remote controlled. NASA perfected remote controlled flight in the 80’s"

Now you've totally lost your mind.

At least I have a mind to lose, you don't have a mind, you are a programmed sheep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OJZPUE4rwE

This is scientifically possible. That’s all I’m saying.

Are you trying to say (however crudely) that this is impossible? Because if you are it proves you know nothing. Now….BE GONE SHEEP!!

My personality stops people from talking to me at social gatherings :(

Maybe the sheep will talk to you. Maybe they are already talking to you?

They are conversing with me, because you are conversing with me, BE GONE SHEEP!

9/11 was an inside job

I'm an idiot.

It's ok, buddy. We all have bad days.. I mean, years.

lol @ Aldrons Last Hope. i think you got hacked.

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The people of the world only divide into two kinds, One sort with brains who hold no religion, The other with religion and no brain.

- Abu-al-Ala al-Marri

lol Yeah man, see how afraid of the truth they are...LOL.

It's funny though, because I say the planes could have been remote controlled and the sheep laugh. Yet they know very well about drones and how they are being used this very minute to fight wars. Their brains are so compartmentalized that they can't connect obvious dots...SHM.

lol its sad but true.

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The people of the world only divide into two kinds, One sort with brains who hold no religion, The other with religion and no brain.

- Abu-al-Ala al-Marri

You believe every whackjob conspiracy theory and you have the nerve to call others sheep? LOL!

Please feel free to completely ignore this, ALH:

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-09/new-theory-world-trade-center-collapse-blames-explosive-chemical-reaction#comments

Oh great, take a symbol, whose last memory is seen burning and crumbling, and put HYDROGEN in it.