Depiction vs. Reality: The Air Force Hardware of Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

Well, I am glad the Air Force is being utilized for something.

The transformers of later years were about selling toys. That's tricking people into consuming. That was bad enough. Now, even worse, by many increments, is that the new transformers is about armed forces recruitment. You do all realize that the war machine is about protecting the oil interests of a few rich companies and seizing the natural resources and other assets of foreign countries right? So when that person in a turbin blows up your son/daughter it's not because they hate that we have women in bikini's or that we praise god, but because they are sick of us sending our children over there to destroy their children and their world, only to have you as parents sit their claiming how proud you are of them and what they are doing? How sad and sick that you don't even look at what you're doing. When the Air Force needs an 'Entertainment Liaison' for public relations, that's because they don't want the military to look like anything but cool. The truth is they vaccinate their own troops (gulf war syndrome, it's real, look it up), they use them as pawns for destroying a country's democracy and seizing it's resources (Operation Iraqi Liberation = O.I.L.), and they propagandize the crap out of the potential 'chattel property'(your children) to be used for for their bidding. The transformers movie is disgusting on so many levels that my children will never see it, and I tell them to NEVER, EVER, join the military. Hitler youth and the brown shirts ring a bell. Watch an old black and white movie of that friendly gang of people, and then watch the transformers movies again. Say what you will, but just stop and think. How much of your world consists of CSI, FBI, CIA, ARMY, AIR FORCE and NAVY television shows, commercials, magazines, video games, and books lately? Sprinkle in the constant pharma-commercials, and you start to see things for what they are: the omniscient presence of the military-industrial-complex eishenhower warned about, and the pharmaceutical-industrial-complex that profits, not from health, but from sickness. Wake up, and then boycott all of it, peacefully, by not catering to any of this non-sense. Also of importance: Popular Science is a publication who is owned by corporate media holders who share a revolving door with government and the military. It is in everyone's interest to have this article on this site, except of course, your own. The very nature of the article itself is bias and is also regulated by the very same type of 'Entertainment Liaison' mentioned in this article. If something needs a public relations committee or liaison for it, that's usually because that body is either selling you a lie, or is trying to mask the truth. The military uses movies, television shows and articles like this to deceive you. Corporations use commercials. Stop. And. Think.

glass window, you just crossed the line. If you hate the military so much, that is your right (thanks to those who wear the uniform proudly), but I cannot allow you to spew your hatred all over an unrelated article. Do you know any soldiers, marines, airmen, or sailors? Judging by your rant, I bet not. Though I am in the Texas A&M Corps of Cadets, but not in the military, I often stop, think, and see all of the benefits that serving in uniform brings: a sense of honor, courage, self discipline, a work ethic that is hard to match, and loyalty to not only the country but its people. What values does your conspiracy-laden way of life instill in its followers? I truly feel sorry for your children.

I tried to join the military, but, due to medical reasons, they wouldn't take me. Some of my closest friends will be commissioning upon graduating college. They, I would be willing to bet, are smarter than you, and are certainly too smart to be just someone's pawns. What gives you the right to insult them? I support your right to speak, but watch what you say. Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences; most Americans, myself included, will not take to kindly to your insults. We just might do something about it, as is our right.

glass window your comment is too long and my A.D.D. or something wont let me read your overly negative comment.

Glass window-obviously you need to stop contributing to and consuming the corporate establishment media. Your diatribe gives simplistic views of your anti/corporate views, but does very little outside of generalizing the same tripe I have heard and seen before.

Shouldn’t you be banning PopSci and other corporate establishment media instead of reading it and discussing the stories? As much as you’d like to think you are the exception, you are actually just another of us “evil corporate establishment” consumers by reading and expressing your views on the website. You might be better off just not coming to this website, even not post your tirades here.

Lots of media outlets have entertainment liaisons. I recall my wife worked with a guy who was a liaison for Star Gate-SG1 for awhile. I thought of what a fun job that would be! As much as you’d like to believe they are pushing pharma-military industrial complex-deceiving propaganda, the liaison was there to oversee accuracy of the use of military-oriented aspects of the show. Namely making sure the gear was authentic or actors were doing the proper thing in line with military procedure. In all, it was to make the show more believable and realistic.

I have seen Eisenhower’s warning before. I believe 100% there needs to be oversight of the industry with due diligence in rooting out corruption and waste. While never in it, I fully support the military and do not believe them to be “brown shirts out to corrupt my children.” While I support your right to express your opinions, I do need to state that those freedoms exist as a result of the ongoing support of our military and the sacrifices that they have made over the generations.

Please next time use specifics. You statements are like others that I have read. For example, “Bush trampled on the constitution!” Ok, what specifically did he do to impact your rights? Those types of generalizations don’t really help persuade anyone on your point of view. I see a lot that you stated, but nothing really telling me why or how.

I am looking forward to seeing Transformers, and thought the article was pretty cool.

Nice blog. I linked to it at:
www.examiner.com/x-10080-DC-EGovernment-Examiner~y2009m6d25-The-technology-behind-Transformers

I agree with mconnor about liaisons. Even the show "Quincy" had one.
As for Justin, the A&M cadet-are you threatening violence? As a USAF veteran I served so glass window is free to voice opinions, even ones I disagree with, without the threat of violence. Maybe you would like to come back and post a follow up so we may better understand the comment " Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences; most Americans, myself included, will not take to kindly to your insults. We just might do something about it, as is our right." Sorry but Iran's election just springs to mind since that's so fresh and violence has been endorsed by the supreme ruler. Ouch!
I will say that PopSci does have a lot of military articles. But the military is cutting edge technology, no denying that. So is NASCAR. My new F-150 has the no cap gas tank. As small as that seems I think its really cool.
All these tech breakthroughs eventually become available for public use and that's the benefit for public at large.
And the Transformers movie looks way cool!

What 'line' did glass window break? The line of free speech? It seems that military men, and wannabees, like to say that they are fighting for our freedoms. When it comes to talking negatively about America, the military, or the current GOP these 'freedom fighters' are quick to ask for the removal of one of our basic freedoms.

I know the Glass Window was %100 right when he stated that the Transformers series has become a military recruitment tool. I watched the first and second installment and know without a doubt that they are glorifying the military just like most summer blockbuster action films.

They dumb down the science, they completely remove the reality of death in violence (it's ok to shoot and kill someone in a pg-13 just not show the blood and guts), they throw in some current hotties to attract gullible kids, and make everything incredibly overly simplistic.

I think the Glass Window's kids will grow up with some interesting perspective on the REAL WORLD and not the cartoonish & fictional BS that is spewed to the nation's children.

The only adults who like this crap are grown up kids who never matured enough to understand the reality behind the film. I could never enjoy movies like this because of the recruitment tool that they are. War is not cool, war is not fun, war is not hot, war is not science. War is death, war is murder, war is dirty, war is traumatizing, war is hell.

Now go ahead and tell me I crossed the line.

PS

Justin Thompson

"I support your right to speak, but watch what you say. Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences; most Americans, myself included, will not take to kindly to your insults. We just might do something about it, as is our right."

If you have a problem with glass window, you got a problem with me.

Hey lighten up on Glass Window. Even paranoid nut cases are covered by freedom of speach. I doubt anyone took that tirade with anything but the shake of their heads and a chuckle.

Glasswindow,

In todays economic times look at who is the one employer that is not laying off. OMG! It's the United States Military. Many who need a paycheck and benefits for their families are turning to the Military. And in most cases that paycheck comes with some of the best training available......FREE! OH! Wait a minute! There is a cost, putting up with people like you.

Like "P" I am a veteran, and DAMNED proud of it! I served in the Navy during Viet Nam. In that time I heard your father and grandfather make the same rants. When you have something new to say, say it. In the mean time continue to thank a veteran of any branch of the military, and that includes the Coast Gaurd as well, for your right to make stupid comments without having your tongue cut out for speaking against the Government. Maybe you would like to read a book called, Mig Pilot. It's about the pilot of a MIG 25 who flew it to Japan and was brought to the U.S. for asylum. When he got to Virginia he went into a grocery store and could not believe that in America ANYONE can buy FRESH produce, meat, dairy, and other things not available in the USSR at the time. It totally overwhelemed him that there was a country like this anywhere in the world.

Maybe if you crawl out of the hole under that rock that you've been living in and travel to see the world you will be a little more grateful for the freedoms you have now.

None of you proud a holes have fought for any freedoms for any American. Unless you served in WWII you have not fought to preserve any freedom. Name one freedom that was at stake in the Vietnam war. All you were was pawns for the US military to make more and more money.

No war post-WWII has been for freedom. Give it a break, you aren't a freedom fighting war hero, your a vet from a war long forgotten by todays youth.

Why does no one talk about Vietnam any more? Because it is a shameful disgrace to this country.

People like Johnclaud and glass window need to go outside of the US to see how fortunate we are here. Sure, the US has done some things wrong in the past, but the good that we do far outweighs the bad. We are definitely the most free and blessed nation that has EVER existed on Earth. Some people are just soooo ungrateful sometimes and need to grow up.
As for the movie Transformers 2, I haven't seen it yet. I have seen the first one though, and it certainly did not seem like a recruiting tool to me. People need to understand that movies are for ENTERTAINMENT. Transformers might be a little unrealistic in regards to how cruel and painful war might be, but we don't go to movies to be depressed but entertained. I, for one, can understand the difference between the real world and the fake action movies that hollywood produces.

Somehow, I'm missing the part of any of this that has to do with the movie...

baba bui baba bui howard sterns pen1s. Wow, that's just as relevant as the rest of this retarded conversation! AND NO, I don't care if I spelled it correctly.

I am an American citizen, and have been to quite a few other countries. I now teach English in China. It's really true how many Americans take for granted the freedoms and standard of living "We" grew up with. What I thought this was about ,was to comment on the new movie Transformers and the Militaries contribution to it. Someone once said; "There are layers and layers of Bullshit and you simply must find the "layer" your most comfortable in " For some of us it's very easy to see, what "our" government does,says,or implies is in no way how we as Americans are feeling or thinking. America is absolutely the most powerful country in the world. That doesn't mean "we" are friendly, or generous , or honest. Glasswindow is pointing out things to be aware of.I understand your anger Justin Thompson, the facts are irrefutable though.BIG business- money- oil etc. are the driving force in the world today. There is no REAL threat to "us" as Americans , nobody woulde be stupid enough to "Tread on Us",if we detonante 5% of our nuclear arsenal ANYWHERE in the world all life will cease to exist. Thats a pretty scarry deterrant.This movie is main stream, and just like any other one it's primary purpose is to entertain and make money. By the way., Almost everything here in China is compared to the U.S. it's very interesting , eye opening and makes me very proud to be an American. Glasswindow ; some people will have a hard time being force feed hard core reality. Setting an example may be an easier approach.

Glass Window - you do an amazing portrayal of a moonbat! You should consider a career as an actor, I'm sure Hollywood can squeeze in one more paranoid leftist...

The US military will safeguard your security while you think about it, and "big pharma" will help ease any maladies you suffer along the way.

@Jeremy Hsu -- hate to "nitpick" another point, but there is no such thing as a singular "AWAC". The acronym is Airborne Warning and Control *System*, thus always has an S when abbreviated.

"an AWACS system" is redundant, "a single AWACS" or "an AWACS" or "an AWACS airframe (airplane)" would be more appropriate.

What is with everyone. Every country every where idolizes our freedoms and knows the price we pay for those freedoms. Most of us know that everyone looks at the world through rose colored glasses. Our young men and women who chose to serve are always in harms way.

Quit embellishing some diatribe that rattles around most people's hippo campus.

Militarily speaking we need to continue development to remain the absolute best always.

That is the true cost of freedom.

You worry about big-pharma? Run for office and change it with your vitriol. I am sure a lot of us would join your cause.

The world is a sticky wicket now. Several events seem to be transpiring to a culmination towards something absolutely evil.

Pay attention you may all get your wishes!

Buzzme!

Can someone answer me? What freedoms have been fought for in the past 64 years? Invading Viet Nam and Iraq have nothing to do with our civil liberties.... what freedoms do you speak of?

Osama Bin Laden didn't take away any of our freedoms. We gladly gave them up in the name of 'security' with Patriot Acts I and II. Please read what freedoms we lost with those acts. They were freedoms that true heros died for many years ago.

glass window-

for most people, first comes denial. then comes anger, when they start researching everything you said for themselves. I was there for a long time. At this point I just try to spread knowledge in a positive manner, such as being active in Ron Paul's campaignforliberty.com. Also, I recommend books such as "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by Griffin. This shows us who really runs this country.

for interesting videos, i usually direct people to one of these:

www.trueworldhistory.info

Thanks milano! I am still angry, as should any patriotic American! I just get enraged by the 'I fight for your freedom' mentallity.

Thansk for the link, I'll watch some vids on there and maybe even buy that book and check it out.

Glass window,

I respect your right for free speech and your opinions about the armed forces, but please take into account that those brave young men and women are the ones that make sure you're not speaking German or Arabic or Russian. I'm sorry you think of them only as pawns instead of your saviors.

What freedoms have been fought for in the past 64 years?

Korean War - Truman doctrine of supporting US allies for stopping the spread of communism. North Korea attacked south Korea, we fought to stop aggression from the communist regime. See how NK is such a bastion of freedom now, I am sure SK would enjoy being under the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, seeing how free their citizens are.

Vietnam War - Again, to stop the spread of Communnism in Southeast Asia and prevent Ho Chi Minh from unifying Vietnam under communist rule. Once the US pulled out, the south Vietnamese surrender. The new Socialist Republic of Vietnam offered so much freedom it led to thousands to flee the country (like the 'boat people').

Persian Gulf War - Coalition, not just US, war to expel Iraqi forces who invaded Kuwait. Because the Iraqi's were treating the Kuwaiti's so wonderfully.

Bosnia and Herzegovina conflict - Acting as NATO peacekeepers, because ethnic cleansing is such a nice thing to occur.

Invasion of Afghanistan - Besides 9/11 & OSB, because the Taliban were such nice people.

Invasion of Iraq - Because Sadam was such a wonderful leader to his people.

While justification and reasoning behind each conflict happened are opened to debate regarding usefulness, no threat to sovereign US soil, and intent, they did occur. I think about 2 of my coworkers, who are Vietnamese. One is in his 50s and served in the south V. army and has a large family here and is prospering. Another is a daughter of one of those "boat people" who is has a good life here as well.

While the conflicts do not correlate with our civil liberties, and I wholeheartedly agree that the Patriot Acts go against the spirit of what is means to be an American citizen and the freedoms we enjoy. The fact is, those controversial aspects were sunset. While you are quick to jump on the GOP about all of this, I don't see Obama putting an end to all of the provisions within the act. In addition, Executive Order 9066 (internment of Japanese Americans), was authorized by a Democrat.

I am just saying, a lot of it is subjective and not so black and white sometimes.

That was very insightful.

I am not a Democrat, in fact I'm a very conservative person. Ron Paul has my support and he is a true Republican. (bet you thought he was a liberal / democrat)

Secondly, we did not invade Iraq to get rid of Saddam. If that were the case then an elite seal team could have done the same job for much less. Same goes for Afghanistan.

If you want the real reason for the US entering any war in the past 64 years it is money. Money money money. It is an amazing coincidence that Dick Cheney was CEO of Halliburton up until 2000 and now Halliburton is the largest US contractor in the Middle East....

I never said that the us should not support troops. I never said that we don't need a strong standing military. I do feel that it is the US's best interest to not spread our forces thin in hostile regions. We are not the world police.

We need to use our military strength to further protect the borders and ports in this country. It doesn't matter that North Korea's missile’s can reach Alaska or California.... what matters is that less than 8% of cargo is scanned coming into this country.

Obama is no different than Bush. Even most democrats know that something is not right with Obama. To be honest, I fear that one day these military technologies will be used on US civilians. That is my ultimate fear.

Call me a paranoid conspiracy theorists wacko nut job. It never hurt anyone to be cautious and skeptical of what we are asked to perceive as truth. People need to be more cynical.

I chose to fight in one of those silly evil corporate wars to support the AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE. I've been here to many times and I hate this place but I know we have given the people here a chance not a garauntee, but a chance for something beautifull.

ps the movie would'nt be realistic if we didnt shoot at the badguys with every cool toy in the arsenal.

-Themistocles

It is of personal opion that a drone would make an interesting character in the plotline. I think that may arise some interest in the capabilities of a drone in comparison to an F-22. Although the movie did feature a predater in one scene as a scout so there is progress in making these movies a more accurate representation of current military.

-Themistocles

I read most of the arguments about Glass Window, and while I highly disagree on the notions stated, I will agree that the Air Force isn't against using an opportunity like this for recruiting.

I'm active-duty in the USN, and I proudly serve my country, like my father and grandfather before me, so please don't say that we aren't fighting for freedom, because we still are. It may not be the freedoms of the citizens of the United States, but the freedoms of other countries

I saw the movie and enjoyed it. I agree that that it is a recruitment attempt, but I am not going to join the Air Force because I saw a movie that showcased some really cool technology. It is a shame that it is designed to kill people though. I would pay good money to go watch an F-22 air race! I fully understand that corporations and governments will always do whatever they can to grab as much money as possible, and Hollywood and the US government are no different, but as far as I can remember, no one put a gun to my head during the movie and forced me to join the military, buy a product or change my beliefs. As hard as people use media outlets to sway the public opinion, I feel that the best defense against the daily advertising bombardment the American public receives is simple awareness and education. I expected a certain level of crap during the movie and when I recognized it, I disregarded it. This doesn't mean that I agree with the attempts or even like it, it just means I still have the right to choose whether or not I buy in to it. Just like Hollywood and the government still have the right to put it in front of me. That is the difference between the Transformers movie and Nazi propaganda. No one forced me to watch it. It was my choice. Even though the attempts to sway me may be more subtle, they are still present and I still have the right to think for myself. For the record, I am neither Republican or Democrat. I vote Libertarian, but believe good and bad can materialize anytime you have too large a group with an "agenda". All we can do as Americans is continue to voice our opinions, to agree and disagree, because the most dangerous path we can walk as individuals and as a country it to always believe that we are right and that everyone else is wrong. Whatever your political beliefs are. A certain amount of flexibility is necessary for America to survive. It's written into the constitution. Read it sometime if you haven't. It's a pretty good one. Maybe if more Americans did read it and understood the foundation our country is based on, we wouldn't be facing so many problems. To summarize, giant robots are great, but not as great as thinking for yourself.

johnclaudvandamnit: If those men and women weren't in the military, if they didn't have that since of duty and patriotism and did not serve, then we would have no fighting or defending force. If we didn't have that, then it wouldn't take long for us to cease being a free and sovereign nation...

So while at the moment they may not be fighting a conflict directly involved in the preservation of our liberties - their very presence is what keeps those liberties alive. So while you may not agree with our nation's most recent historical and ongoing conflicts abroad, please be careful when you make blanket statements like: "None of you proud a holes have fought for any freedoms for any American."

Without those 'a-holes' you would be completely vulnerable to any number of foreign attacks. This nation would very soon cease to exist as we know it without a strong military to protect it.

And while you may not agree with all the conflicts, as mconnor pointed out: WWII is the very reason we get involved globally now - so as to prevent what happened in the past; an attempt to prevent any threat that might grow to directly threaten our nation.

All those men in women in service do it for their country and are protecting our freedoms everyday. Please try not to forget that.

I meant 'sense,' not 'since.' It's to early...

just watch that family guy episode where Chris sees a military recruitment commercial; the entire ad is soldiers jump in pools of money and making out with girls.

Jiedne

If the benefits offered by the military: decent pay, education, training, the opportunity to serve, etc do not offer sufficient incentives to intice or encourage people to join the military I highly doubt the glitzy special effects of a movie will sway a person's opinion. Those that are blinded by the science or science fiction will likely be too young to serve or otherwise disqualified.

Serve or not as you choose. Those of us that are or have served are generally proud of that service. We have an all volunteer military force. Those that have served have done so to protect those that cannot or will not. Perhaps we dont need a military...but I'd rather have one I did not need than need one I did not have.

As far as the evils of corporate excess or the capitalist system, we have created it because its what we want. We consume. Everything. Few of us are willing to sacrifice in more than a token fashion and that's okay but we can't cry about it later if we don't do anything about it today. Perhaps the best way to effect change is on an individual level and live by and share our example with others affording them the opportunity to make their own informed choices.

As far as the military/technological aspects of the movie it might be a good idea to remember it's make believe. Pretend. Of course, the best way to make fantasy believable is to include as much reality as possible. Perhaps it's a trade off. Maybe science fiction inspires technology as much as technology inspires science fiction. Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon had ray guns long before weaponized lasers existed. The Air Force aircraft will make the movie far more entertaining than it would have been without them.

Military budgeting and necessities (perceived or real-whatever you choose to believe) create opportunities for technological advances that might otherwise be delayed indefinitely. Get rid of your microwaves, synthetics, radar detectors, computers and a host of other technologies either directly or indirectly related to military/security initiatives.

Personally, I love the sounds and sights of wind-snapped flags, the National Anthem and an early morning aircraft launch (even with the smell of JP-4) but that's just my opinion.

Flame on!

I agree with jiedne, everyone I work with everyday is happy to serve the military, we all joined because it's what we wanted to do. Some of them may have come from situations that they didn't have much choice, but their here now because they wanted to. The benefits like medical, pay, nice retirement package, and college education are all bonuses and incentives that are worth it. I don't like going someplace and being jeered at for being a "government puppet", because I volunteered for this job, and I'll hold my head high when someone opposes it, as will virtually all other service member's that I've met in my life.

We are a proud group, and will remain proud while our children carry on that pride and honor.

the soldier will always bee considered a puppet of the government he is serving under, what makes him stand out is his own sense of patriotism and morals over orders in what ever situation he finds himself in. we must never ridicule those who fight for what they believe in or the services that provide these basic protections for its citizens and at the same time we must be 100% sure that in laying down our life for our country we do it for right and noble reasons.

Hey man, transformers were some of the coolest toys ever made. And they are still highly sought on ebay. The only thing I don't like about the new movies is it seems to be using Megan Fox to sell sex more than transformers to sell toys.

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Wasn't this article supposed to be about cool hardware?! Go to http://fusionfilter.com/ for the unseen TRANSFORMERS AIRCRAFT CARRIER design that didn't make it to the film, as well as IRON MAN 2 updates! Life is good guys, have fun.

Hi, I'm from Indonesia, so my english is Indonesian-English. Pls don't be offended.

Pilot vs Drone.
Do we think that remote-technology more secure than direct-control?

When we think of military that fought war in a far-away place, we might vote for drone. It doesn't matter if the drone crash on someone roof.

But what do you think if the police start using drone to patrol your neighborhood?

What do you think will happen if the military fly a drone on top of your roof? U wooried that the missile will launch by it self and no one is to blame because it's a technical problem?

If there's no one to take the blame than it's no one responsible than it's more likely to happen.

- to all of those STILL discussing the ethical parameters of the military involvement in transformers:

REALLY!!!

I am a Canadian citizen, so it may seem out of place for me to make a comment about this, but to those like glass window, if you don't like it, DON'T LOOK AT IT! SHIELD YOUR EYES FOR GOD'S SAKE, I encounter this kind of thing all the time, my message is the same to everyone, if it hurts, angers, saddens, or otherwise negatively affects you, don't look at it, it is really simple, all you have to do is shut your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and say "LALALALALALALALALALALALALIMNOTLISTENING" try it, right now, because i am sure that this comment will anger somebody, though it isn't my intention.

Also, for those of you who get miffed at those like glass window, the message is the same, if we ignore them, they go away... SO IGNORE THEM!

On a side note, has anyone stopped and looked at all of the technical breakthroughs we have come up with during wartime, and not just weapons, medicine, computing, nearly every branch of science and society is helped by war, not to demean the fact that it is a brutal thing, i understand that fully, but just think about how many lives war has SAVED, then consider why people join the military, not because a movie told them to, but because should a war arise, they want to save people, and that does happen.

Hope this has helped...
- Teth

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If you think about it long enough, it will seem like a bad idea. If you do it anyways,
it usually works out for the best... if it doesn't, you were right. "Smiles all around ^^"

Themistocles

That the AirForce would send F-22's to take out a hostile threat is actually very acurate. UAS's such as the Reaper are used to take out specific targets on Hunter/Killer missions.

Oh and there is no comparison between a drone and a Raptor

The poor have always been cannon fodder for the elite.

How often do you see Bush, Cheney, Reagan, Rockefeller, Dupont. etc. sending their children into war? Exactly.

I feel for our troops and their families, in general.

Glass Window was on point.

Unfortunately, it seems as if the American people really won't wake up until it is too late.

i agree with glass window and johnclaudvandam , how i wish i could go back and take the blue pill