When I hear the phrase "knock-off Chinese products", I usually think of either the bootleg DVDs I get on the subway or the cheap electronics I get in Midtown. But a new report in Defense Professionals notes that the Chinese military has channeled that same skill for replication towards closing their UAV technology gap. By simply copying US technology, China has created a stock of advanced drones, and gained the technical knowledge to create some interesting native UAVs as well.
The story lists most of China's major UAV programs, most of which simply knock off successful American UAVs like oh so many cheap copies of Crank 2 or Louis Vuitton handbags. They claim that the Yi-long reconnaissance drone is nothing more than a xerox of our Predator, with the Xiang-long and WuZhen-2000 drones copying the Global Hawk.
However, the article also notes that despite the pervasive replication of US technology, the Chinese military has also developed some interesting indigenous drone technology. In particular, the Dark Sword drone seems unlike anything the American military fields today. The Chinese describe it as the "future of Chinese unmanned combat aviation," and emphasize the high maneuverability, stealth features, and air-to-air combat specialization.
Considering how badass that Dark Sword UAV sounds, maybe the US should think about copying it. Turnabout is fair play, after all.
[via Wired's Danger Room]
Let's hope China becomes/remains one of our Allies. I was hoping the U.S. would be the only one with advanced drones, I guess I was foolish to think that. If we have any huge future wars, perhaps it will all be drone warfare, and no human life will be lost.
That doesn't even look like a real picture. Further, I'm guessing we're already flying stuff that most of us don't even know about. The SR-22 and the F-117 were both unknown for many years before they were revealed. And Dark Sword? That sounds ripped off too.
But this is what we can expect to hear more of. The Chinese are growing their military might to match their economy. Here's hoping they remain the historically restrained power they've always been and that they don't export their brand of Communism beyond their borders.
the name prolly sounds less cornier in chinese.
To Answer Kstauf:
The Chinese do not look like they are in the business of imperialism like other countries are. I think that every country has the right to explore different technologies to help them defend their borders. If things in the U.S. are tight-sealed as advertised then we have nothing to be scared about, so they say.
Uh oh, it's all gonna end soon. This will definitely get messy.
You might want to ask the Tibetans what they think about Chinese imperialism; they'll point you to 1 million dead. The Vietnamese and Koreans have also had their entanglements with the Chinese as well. Until this time, the Chinese have never had the means to project power outside of the countries adjacent. That's likely to change in the coming decades, and what kind of global actor they will be remains to be seen. Their treatment of their own people suggests that they're probably not the type to worry too much about collateral damage when they do act. That said, the Chinese are a kind and wonderful people. Here's hoping they don't live under Communism much longer.
One of our best weapons is that we own and operate a good majority of the GPS satellites in orbit. If need be we can alter the pulse frequency to make the navigation systems that rely on GPS think they are somewhere they are not, or become inoperable. Until other countries start mass producing and fielding GPS satellites. We have a big card up our sleeve. Of course there is always inertial based navigation systems, but most of them use GPS to update and correct the position errors throughout flight. But of course we would never do anything like this....
@m3k The Dalai Lama's Kashmir mountain top has more armed soldiers than Buddhists, now. The Chinese guide said the soldiers are there for fire suppression. Perhaps you believe that.
Seriously kstauff, of course that is not a real picture, it's a computer rendering. And it's SR-71, not 22.
Paying for bootlegged movies are 10x more evil than downloading them. Dark Sword IS a cool name in english, sounds like a movie I'd go see. "The Chinese do not look like they are in the business of imperialism like other countries are." - meh they sure have allot of rhetoric about conquering twain. On the other hand I would love it south korea payed china to have a little visit to there buddy Kim Jong Ill.
23,000 nukes in the world (give or take). We own around 9,000, Russia 13,000. That means that only 1,000 are scattered throughout the rest of the world. That is why China won't mess. M.A.D. is still US policy, so, they can't hurt us, and we can't really hurt them.
They could go back to putting a million more men on the battle field every day and we could go back to threatening to return the world to the stone age.
I welcome them having such drones. They could expand into Mongolia, but who would notice (or care)? They could go south and flush out the sewer that is the whole swampy pennensula down there - an improvement, by far. India is too big a fish to swallow (nukes). Russia restrains them northward.
Best case scenario is that these are for keeping an eye on potential threats from the swamps below and N Korea. Worst case is some good old fashion revenge on Japan. Either way, we are okay. After all, who blows up their favorite customer (particularly a customer who owes you lots and lots of money)?
Lots of good comments here, many things I didn't think about, doesn't seem all that bad anymore, =)
@Oakspar77777 the number of nukes a country has dosnt equal its military force, and pretty much everyone knows that if ANYONE actually ends up using nukes this world is gonna be far beyond hopeless
Now, with China producing stealth drones, i wonder how long before other counries start producing their own & how many spin-offs from the China drones, there will be. The story of the AK 47 should not be forgotten.
Money talks and whoever can pay will get the arms dealers excited. We will begion to see the globalisation of high tech arms purchases and super high tech arms manufacturing.
Now the most popular will be a drone that shoots down other drones. Wait till North Korea gets their hands on these things. Or the Taliban.
It is harder now to maintain the technological advantage. The battlefield superiority of the U.S. will be diminished.
You know, what you guys have said could be taken as extremely offensive. Most of the western world has been under propaganda that communism is evil and dictator ship. Let me change your point of view. Communism is where everyone has gets the same amount of food or work, everyone is equal regardless of what they do. It's a branch of socialism, which Europe has been using very well. Ask any Chinese citizen or almost any, even the ones that been thought the cultural revolution or Tienanmen Massacre of 1989 and they would say they love China, communism is the right way. They have been spread propaganda that communism is good, just like we have been given propaganda that communism is bad. Want proof? Look at videos if the National Day celebrations in China, the 60th anniversary of the Chinese communist party. American ideals are not the absolute good and truth we think they are. That's not to say I'm anti-american. China has only been restrained for the last 200 years. It has a proud history of 4800 years of being a major global power. It was war with the British that brought it down. Oh, China has its only GPS system. Europe has one too. Americans are treating communism like they are Nazis or something. I might remind you that we don't have a proud history either, neither does Europe. China is just recovering from 200 years of turmoil, it isn't as developed as the US. China my look rich to you, but 99% of its population is dirt poor. China doesn't bootleg things because it likes to, it's a matter of survival. It was the difference between feeding one's family or starving. Many Chinese will say Vietnam and Korean wars were just so the US can control territories around the US to keep an eye on China, that the US wants to stop China from developing.
The government isn't as harsh as it seems to be. Compared to ancient times, it is very lax. China is actually worried about collateral damage. Personally, I think copying another country's idea and then improving it is a very smart thing to do. After all, it is what we did to the printing press, compass, paper, and gunpowder.
We don't really have anything to fear.
China has never been one to start wars, only to defend. It does have a lot of civil wars though. I find it odd that countries are more concerned about china's internal policy than international policy.
Note:I'm not defending what China has done, only pointing out what most people are too blind to see.
Hope that wasn't offensive.
These things could be used to shoot down other drones.
BTW before you spout off the miracles of communism .. China's version of Communism is no where close to the everything is equal communism you are talking about.
In the US we are actually taught in school (atleast I was) about the same ideal communism we mention. But again. The ones you see that cropped up in the world are nowhere near the utopian equality that true communism strives for.
It's obvious from your statement about the millions of poor so i'm not sure why you defend it.
As China grows more powerful. It's easier for their government to get away with things worldwide no? Look how much the US overlooks its human rights violations now that they own so much of our debt.
I'm not gonna get into an argument and say you are wrong and that communism is bad, but as far as we know, it is.
You don't see democratic societies slaughtering it's people for saying bad stuff about the government and blocking websites about taiwan. But enough about this.
I'm glad China is doing this, its like a good wordly competition. Necessity is the mother of invention. As long as someone else keeps pushing, you need to push harder. Let them have their stealth drones, now the rest of the world will push harder for the next level beyond drones.
As long as the US government keeps up its desire to be #1, then I see no threat in remaining #1
From a political perspective USA is communist only with 2 parties. China grabbed USA by the balls where it hurts most: they have tons of us dollars cash. It is ironic that communism is better at producing money and value than capitalism. This money has to render something for the Chinese: influence, power, technology otherwise they are worthless. Communism seems smarter when it comes to money than capitalism. Printing money is easy, giving them value is more difficult.
I can agree with some of the negative things you said about the Communist-led China, namely, the heavy handed internet and news control. (Although the politically motivated news reporting from the like of CNN/Fox doesn't really help in this case).
There is one big assumption that's wrong in your argument though - you said democratic society does not slaughter its own people.
You know, it's bad enough for a communist government to slaughter dissident in order to prevent being overthrown (infamous Tiananmen in June 4th '89, a large-scale repeat of May 4th 1970 Kent-State). Treason is, after all, punishable by death (google: "us code 2381")
However, it is worse for a democratic government to slaughter thousands of its own innocent citizens, in order to justify as a pretext for going to war with another nation.
I am pro-democratic, don't get me wrong. But being democratic is not like sitting down at the dinner table and being handed a silver plate just because you happen to be born in the "right" country. Like anything else, the democratic system needs to be maintained by carefully scrutinizing your politicians' actions and keep them honest. Otherwise, the democratic system you have known can easily transform to something more sinister.
You know, the only thing that remains constant is "change." The form in which a government takes is not immune to that. You never know that one day the "communist" government becomes more capitalistic, open-society and democratic than the so-called democratic one. Sure it sounds like oxymoron now, but you never know.
My oh my, do we ever have some crazies posting to this story. I love how you try to sugar coat it STARWING123. Sorry but I'm not drinking your cool-aid like a few other CHOICE posters on here.
First I want to say let China copy all they want. When an EX-CEO of Lockheed Martin makes the loan comment "We have stuff that blows Star-Wars out of the water" (back in the 80's), as he exits the doors into that great life described as retirement, that pretty much somes it up for me. UFO's/aliens (um No). US Military Tech (Um Yes).
Second; hard to believe you defend a country and a way a life that resulted in 70 million deaths over the life-span of one single communist leader(Mao Zedong)? All American presidents combined were never responsible for 70 million American deaths. Heck they'd be hard pressed to have killed that many people in the world combined (Wars included). Mao even said (and I paraphrase) "what's a few less Chinese, there are so many of us anyway". He makes Hitler look like an amature.
So: Cookiees453, kstauff, mjfr226, m3k, boka, AreYouKidding, nonsquid, archgenius, animemaster, Oakspar77777, Cookiees453, Kuxir, nknithi, Ippikiokami, scubasdsteve87, finitesolutions, gousdgo, maybe you're reading. 70mil out of 305mil Total US Pop. thats roughly 25% of the country. Are you willing to sacrafice that? Just wanted to put that in perspective. So yeah, in conclusion Communist China is wonderful and so is communism. Gosh I wish I we could have been just like China! Starvation, persecution, death, equality :-/....(I love it!)
(Seriously though, I'd rather swallow a 12 g**ge round instead). CHEERS :o)
To Capt105 : stop buying "Made in China". I stopped buying "Made in USA"
On the equality: you are trying to control us with your comment? cause you do not want me to think like you do and become your equal/clone?
To finitesolutions: #1) Globalization (IMPOSSIBLE TO STOP) #2) 70 million murdered/killed men, woman, children(unborn too), grandfathers/mothers, etc. DOT PERIOD(".") Never forget that number when you think of China. Same way the Germans never forget Nazi Germany (both very sad events in human history if you ask me).
Without the U.S. China is nothing and visa-versa (right now). In the next decade or so when Automated factories go online and technology renders "unskilled HUMAN labor" obsolete and MORE expensive, we can both watch as the current pendulum swings back in the other direction.
The real test will be what Chinese leadership decides to do this time, with all people left jobless after procuring their brand new shiny patented Automated Factories (or maybe they'll just be Chinese copies like the UAV above). Finally, the big question is, will they repeat the past (I will pray every night they don’t)? ….No cool-aid to drink here. (70 Million people….unbelievable)
To starwing123. Apparently you have never studied history. In the Korean war they supported and supplied North Korea with the necessary arms to invade South Korea. Later they kicked in Hundreds of thousands of their soldiers to bolster the North Korean Army after they were driven back by the UN under General MacArthur. Later they helped supply and assist the NVA in the battle in Vietnam. While there in Vietnam our troops killed a number of Chinese who were in NVA uniforms but later identified as Chinese. How do I know? I was there. The average Vietnamese was not close to 6 foot tall, stocky, and with features that were not like the Vietnamese that we knew. Nice reward for helping China get out from under the Japanese boot in WWII!
There are a lot of smart minds in China and in my opinion soon it will outstrip the USA as being the biggest superpower. It has the resources in manpower, technology, and drive to overtake America. At present America is in decline like the fabled old Roman empire that crumbled when Rome was sacked plunging the known world at that time into the dark ages with much knowledge either destroyed or forgotten.
After 9/11 the optimism that America had was lost. With the destruction of the World Trade Center and the subsequent involvement of our Country in senseless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan America lost its moral compass. The people do not want us there and the alleged weapons of mass destruction never did materialize.
We are now a country of ironic ineptitude with a national debt now estimated at $4700 per man, woman, and child. Just like the big Three automakers America is close to economic bankruptcy as well as moral bankruptcy.
Just like the former greatness of England the sun will set in time on our once great country of America destroyed by the rot within.
Stuart Fox: I hope the Feds are reading your story and you get busted buying that counterfeit stuff you brag about!
Germans aren't Nazis at all. They are actually a very kind and gentle people. It was the ruler that was Nazi. The difference is that the Chinese people think of Mao as a hero. They think of him as a great man that made a few grave errors. How do I know? I'm Chinese. I live in America, but I'm Chinese. I know what it's like in China. People know perfectly well what Mao did. What you also don't know about China is filled with civil war. You guys obviously don't know Chinese history. Most of it is filled with war against each other, not separate nations. It's kind of like Europe now. Yes, Communism isn't the ideal method that it is supposed to be. I'm not defending what they have done or what they are doing, but you have to understand their point of view. In Chinese philosophy, being harsh means you love them and being a good ruler/parent. You can see this in Chinese families. That's what Mao's ideal was. He may have never achieved his goal, but he tried. You also must realize that China has never had real democratic roots like the US and Europe does, which goes back to 1215 with the Magna Carta.What Mao did was sort of like what we consider the Civil war, except on a much larger scale. 70 million is only 7% of China's population.That's not to say it's not a lot of people to kill.
You say that it was a "nice reward" for getting rid of Japanese. May I remind you of the testing the Western nations did on Chinese people during world war II. Even though millions if Chinese soldiers died in battle, China got none of the rewards that the rest of the allies got. The West is afraid that China will want revenge for what they did during the last 200 years. China isn't like that kind of people. What did China do to avenge itself against Japan?
How about the US transferring soldiers in world war II to England to fight in the war when it was officially neutral?
How about US people helping Koreans? Yes, they did after the USSR helped North Korea, but they still did.
Hey what is wrong with being a communist? In the near future due to necessity, every country in the world will turn into a communist state.We only have finite resources and the world population is exploding so the only way to distribute the resources equally is in communism.
Look at what is happening today in democratic nations. Less than 1% of the population controls 99% of it's wealth. This means that almost 90% of the population in the world are poor.It is a time bomb waiting to explode.
Also, may I remind you that it is only the United States that enslaved a race. Don't lecture the Chinese and the German's about the massacres.
I love how all the americans and their supporters are all like "OMG china's bad!" and then like "Go america!" As mannyg_xxx has stated, America is the nation that enslaved a race, and generally treated them like dirt, and disposable property. @Capt105, yes 70 million people is a lot, but as starwing123 pointed out, it is only 7% of the population. Also on that same note, how many african slaves did the americans kill? Furthermore, IN THEORY, Democracy is the worst type of government, and Communism is the best. Although, IN PRACTICE, the roles are reversed. "Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. " - Sir Winston Churchill, 1947
@mannyg_xxx: China didn't enslaved another race, they enslaved their own race! yeah that's right, killing millions of them. what's worst than killing your own people.
China is nothing without America, all of its wealth came from America. We should go back to protectionism, F globalization. Without America, Nazis, the Soviet Union, would've taken over all the countries in Europe already and Emperialist Japan the whole asian continent. You don't like America? Don't freakin' use the internet and don't patronize hollywood movies. America ain't perfect but we're pretty damn close compare to these other freakin' countries. You don't like America then get the hell out.
@coolnezz: You Americans think you always right. You have caused a lot of misery to a lot of Asian people. You have supported Dictators during the Cold War to the detriment and suffering of a lot of Asian people. You supported Bin Laden when he was fighting the Russians in Afganistan. You created your own monsters. Also, I will not stoop down to your level. Not everybody thinks like you and you have to respect other people's view. If you are mad with our view then respond in an intelligent way.
If you think China is nothing without USA, then think again. China holds US by its balls, its debt to China is so large they cannot pay it during our lifetime.
China has existed for several thousands of years and it has never invaded it's neighboring countries. Sure there has been wars with it's neighboring countries but those are just border disputes.
For your info, it is only the Americans who dropped the Atom bomb because they cannot fight the Japanese man to man in the Japanese mainland.
Wow! This was simply an article about technology, not politics or who is better or what ever. I think EVERYONE needs to just scale it back a notch. The comments went to a whole new level.
The plane looks kind of cool and it seems like the natural progression of military aviation technology.