For some time, physicists have theorized about the existence of alternate universes. In fact, some models of physics require multiple universes, to explain some rarely observed phenomena. But, other than obvious ones like The Man In The High Castle Universe where the Nazis won WWII, the Earth-295 Age of Apocalypse Universe, and the Terran Empire "Mirror Mirror" Universe, just how many alternate universes are there? Well, some Stanford University physicists have answered that question, and the magic number is: 10^10^16 other realities.
The physicists, Andrei Linde and Vitaly Vanchurin, calculated the number by first going all the way back to the Big Bang. Linde and Vanchurin posit that the stellar organization and physics of our universe resulted from small perturbations in the otherwise uniform mass of matter and energy that existed milliseconds after the Big Bang. So, the number of possible variations of those perturbations represents the upper limit of possible alternate universes, or about 10^10^10^7 possible alternate universes.
However, because of the physical limits of the human brain, no individual could perceive more than 10^10^16 realities different from our own. And since the perspective of the viewer factors into the calculations (like time dilation in relativity), that's the number of possible alternate universes.
Of course, that's the total number of POSSIBLE alternate universes. The number of ACTUAL alternative universes actually depends on depends on how many boxes the Professor made.
[via Technology Review]
So looking at it from "outside the box", isnt there 10^10^16 possible alternate universes + 1 where the + 1 is our own?
Guss 47 the answer is no. You can't count our universe as an alternate universe because it's the one we live in. If you lived in one of the other alternate universes, than you could count our universe as an alternate, however you would not be able to count the one you are currently in as an alternate because that would make it an alternate to itself. Lets say there are only two universes instead of the huge number presented in the article. Both universes are alternatives to each other, but there is still only one alternate universe, because the one you call home is the one you are actually utilyzing. If you transfered to the alternate universe, than the title of alternate universe would get passed back to the universe you were once in. It's kind of like saying I can't wait till tomorrow comes. Yes technically the tomorrow will come, but it will never actually be tomorrow, because before the day that we call tomorrow actually arrives it becomes today. This comment has no real bearing on anything I just wanted to ramble.
Personnally I think they should worry about trying to discover just one alternate universe before calculating the total.
Multiverse.....the naturalists answer to the whole "God in the Gaps".....we really don't have probability on our side...so we write in 10^10^16 other universes into the mix so that one of them will work out the way we want things to.
you could have just said "look up the definition of the word alternate"
I know, but I was having fun writting that whole thing.
I hate this crap!
First they come up with some insanely large number "about 10^10^10^7" -- (They use the modifier 'about' as if that mattered! Numbers this large have no business associating with the word 'about'!) Then they make an idiotic claim that "no individual could perceive more than 10^10^16 realities different from our own!"
Find me one experiment -- (Just one!!!) -- where an individual has perceived even ONE reality other than our own!!
(Acid trips don't count!)
I bet whole nations to donuts that they are String Theorists.
I believe there are people who comment or even write for this magazine that are from an alternate universe. With some of the ideas I read they couldn't possibly be native to ours.
This entire theory assumes that an alternate universe must have been formed within those milliseconds following the big bang. While others theorize that at every SINGLE point in a time line there's an unknown number of varying decisions that could be made (basically infinity). This theory can't take account for all possible decisions and all possible changes resulting from each possible decision over the course of X amount of time. So while 160-0's after a one seems like a big number, and makes a great point for assisting in the math behind things like string theory and quantum physics, it still limits human potential to finite math.
On a personal side note, this theory also eliminates the concept of Free Will, because if all alternate universes were created before an individual was born that basically means all decisions for that person were predestined.
I am not saying I am right, and this is wrong. Just stating my idea on the matter.
It isn't a matter of observation which dictates that there are multiple universes. It's the mathematical/philosophical necessity of there being multiple universes to try and force the otherwise unreasonable probabilities of evolutionary science to work with out adding even more eons of time to the time line of our universe.
I think that they're off by 2.65x 10^5
Seriously, this might have been a fun thought experiment, but nobody will ever know if they're even in the right galaxy (ballpark just didn't seem to cover it).
Also, they used the p word -- posit: to assume or affirm the existence of, postulate.
Something as complex and as hard to comprehend as the concept of alternate universes, I feel, could only be explained by an infinite amount of possible universes.
Not some arbitrary number, further scaled down to another arbitrary number that is the supposed limit of human comprehension.
Anyone with me on this?
although an infinite number of alternate universes would explain a lot, infinity/infinity = 1
so according to that, it is certain that their is a universe where Spongebob exists, cows produce glass, master Roshi does kamehamehas, etc.
I somehow managed to experience deja vu while writing this for some reason.
To find the number of possible alternate universes there could, and would have to be if they existed at all, you must calculate how every atom in the universe may move in any of 360 degrees around them every instant up until this point. That is something like all the atoms in the world, times all the possible movements of one atom, times all the possible movements of all the rest of the universes atoms, times all the smallest of finitely measurable pieces of time that have happened up to this point.
That of course only counts if there really are alternate universes.
God is real.
Okay, what I really, really, really want to know is how to I transpose myself with my incredibly wealthy, ruler-of-the-known galaxy, champion of the poor, swash-buckling super-hero version in universe 10,239,234,223,623,623,425???
I'm just trying to figure out what "otherwise unreasonable probabilities of evolutionary science" we are talking about.
And just which god it is that really is real...
Qll, how about for starters the formation of amino acids which all have the same chirality. (Let's not even bother thinking about the improbability of actually randomly getting DNA bases).
Point is, the whole multiverse is a joke....unless you need it to explain the otherwise unexplainable.
You joke about God....and yet find this acceptable? That's exactly my point in bringing it up.
While you are all contemplating multiverses, I'm going to get my giggity on in this one.
I'd just like to mention that I AM from an alternate universe.
And by the way, I've met this God person everyone in this universe seems to be concerned (or unconcerned) with and frankly, It kind of gets pissed off when you argue about whether or not It exists. It says It most definitely exists but all of you are wrong about what It is.
p.s. It kind of looks like a glowing ethereal bunny rabbit
So, this is a study in philosophy in all but the random high number thrown in at the total line. Someone pays people to do this? Plank or Einstein would spit on these people. To say 'we think there are two, maybe more' is surely better than spending however much to hear this. Not a good day in pure research. How much definitive knowledge do we have regarding the viewable phenomena that have the capability to slow or speed up events in their greater locale? So little as to be next to nothing. Are the occurrences of black holes increasing in relation to mass in an area over time? Or at a rate that would indicate that a cosmic egg would be impossible, given mass and motion would be so great that the egg would not be physical matter at all, but in fact, a singularity-the singularity. Or only one of many of the same type at the start.
or something else entirely. to the ^3.14...? is that worth a nickel either?
So... Certain Eastern Religions and philosophies tether themselves to a force: chi, the way, etc, Now, it is pointless and fruitless any words of man to define a concept such as God or chi. Omniscience, Omnipresent, Omni... These are the cornerstones of what we call Infinity. Infinity is not a concept that the human mind has any real grasp on. Do we honestly think we really understand what infinity is, let alone try to bottle it up with words and contain it within our limited capabilities of understanding and communication? i sure don't. We've never seen it or held it, heard it, and we've never experienced it... or maybe we have?
I stipulate that Infinity is, in essence, probability itself. Probability is inherent within the basic fabric of our universe. Now, the big bang was a singularity point; a cookingpot of probability boiling and foaming over its brim. It was just one really dense point in space, correct? If all points in space have a certain probability of type and amount of energy (quantum foam, energy fluctuations, virtual particle pairs), and energy and matter are two forms of the same thing... I'm thinking that the format of the big bang that lead to this universe where I am typing right here right now, is only one of an infinite number of possible infinities (a set of infinities within infinity) wherein, that point of Space that contained the singularity point, both contained it and did not contain it... it contained an infinite number of possibilities of what was and wasn't contained, also, whether or not the space itself existed.
The explosion, direction, layout, disbursement of energy/matter, and all other factors happened in every possible fashion, and they also did not happen in every possible fashion. Like the Yin/Yang, there is no light without a not light, now apply that to an infinite number of infinities (again, sets of infinity within infinity, such as odd or even numbers in the set of all real numbers), and there are an infinite number of not infinities. So all of the possible realities, and not realities exist, have existed, and will exist, but also they do not exist, have not existed and will not exist. In a way, this existence is like the probability cloud around a particle. You cannot see the whole picture, the direction and speed, while you are observing the position. Thus, we cannot directly see our whole picture, because we are limited and stuck with only this viewpoint. Trapped within our own minds basically. If this is true, it would worry some that all realities then have been set out, free will does not exist, and we are predetermined to live a certain life. I don't think we are forced to go down one singular path though, I feel our choices allow us to diverge ourselves through many possible paths. If we turn left, we're in a new reality, turn right... in another. I don't know... I'm tired.
I have heard that there is an alternative universe in which people actually know the meaning of 'alternate' and understand that it doesn't mean the same as 'alternative'.
Is there an alternate universe where everybody is slaves to bunnies and i'm the leader of a resistance of underground living gummy-bears while Santa is trying to own spongebob on mars and God is fat and lazy andd etainng cheeseypuffs on his couch and people make babies through the touching of the lips and i've made plenty on the plannet jpiter which is actually called Fartlangerness and is no larger then Pluto and i'm not writing this and omg i would have just killed Lindsay Lohan who is the leader of bunies all the bunies arre dressed up like bunnies and Oprah Winfrey is aa renegade soldier of the bunnies and has th possession of a planet uster bomb from Spore (takes breath) and cack isn't addictive and actually makes you a super soldier and allows you to own Monty Python aand the holy grail's black knight, Chuck Norris, and aa killer giant rat-croc who just emerged from the sea andd is coming to own all the bunnies at once? a dif so,how do i get there?
Robert1234: Actually, the true number of universes were set by the God of the Entirety, the FSM. This religion requires no faith as it's fully provable. String theory (the "S" in FSM) establishes all we need to know about this subject. FSM coordinates science and religion and unlike the incredibly stupid Creationism, doesn't pretend to base claims on a lack of facts. FSM is the only true religion and is what created and maintains the existance of all universes. (FSM = Formal String Maturation, or the full development of string theory.)
So, would there be a separate god for each of these universes, or could a single god manage all of them at the same time?
Makes me feel kind of neglected, if you ask me.
Isn't that assuming just one big bang? What if, over a long period, there were trillions of big bangs? Then how many universes would there be?
I agree with genedoug(both comments)..makes me wonder...
It's all interesting stuff but does this mean that Black Holes are Portals or Gateways to these Alternate Universes, and are Macho's, Wimps, Dark Mater and or Dark Energy fisical manefestations of these Multiverses.
And why do they use the term Strings, i would rather call them rubber bands, because they exert a lot of Energy just like a rubber band when pulled apart.
And the G string (no relation to the underwear)would be an open ended one like a multy pointed hook sinse it holds on to all of the matteras the are closed hoops, that break appart at difrent energy levels depending on there composition (wood)(steel)(stone)(water)etc.
And is dayjavoo actually something that the other me did and that i'm just only laging behind in time!
I'm no cientiet nor did a atend to you university's as i'm from Aruba, i just answered knowing what i'v red in multypul poblications on all kind of science stuf, but even if they do exist, there still would be on GOD, and he's all over at once or his Angels are keeping tabs on us all so don't feel neglected.
Keep on brainstorming because theres no tangeble proof of the amount of universes, even if black holes where portals to these , we don't even know how much portals exist let alone the amount of multiverses!
What if one of these multiverses gatherd so much mater that it riped the fabrick in wich it was enclosed, and thats what we perseeved as the big bang in our univers!
And if our universe is expanding does that mean that the universes that are around us are pushed inword by our expansion, or are ther gradual colaps cousing us tu expand due to not enough presure holding us together as if you put a baloon in space it will expand due to the vacume around it.
Yes it may sound stupid to you guy's but i'm no scientist just a gai that like to think outside the box because my mind is not limited to the theories and experiments enclosed in those books of science and fisics, sinds i never atended those types of schools!
Sorry if my coments sound more like new teories and or questions but i like this stuff to bad i don't have the time to persue it!
My e-mail is dragonballz_simmons let me know if i'm all out crazy or what!
Critics only motivate me to be better.
OK, my tiny mind is confused; why is it possible to 'perceive' a number like 10 ^ (one with 16 zeroes after it) and not the number 10 ^ (one with 10 million zeroes after it)?
OK, so the national debt is getting a lot closer to the former than the latter, yet I feel pretty embiggened by it all.