Former CIA Chief: A Separate Internet Could Curb Cyber Threats

II wrote President Obama about this when he first came into office. Our government, military, national infrastructure, banking, medical and possible more of which our society depends on needs to be on a separate, unique, playing field of communications. I am glad finally someone read my email, sheesh!
Of course other government with big expense accounts will continue to try and hack us. This will always be true in the past, present and future. But by putting creating a new communication internet for these departments, you get off the grind the rest of the world that is hacking us, several thousand times a day.
It’s about time.
............... On another note of mine: We read often in popular science or other national articles of the damage cell phone can do to the brain. The debate goes back and forth. But what is completely ignored is the portable radios the government’s uses and business too. We hold these units right next to our heads and they transmit in the same frequencies as the cell phone range from 15watts to 5watts power. Cell phones typically transmit in the mille or pica watts and have very tiny power. Yet the whole world is focusing on cell phones and ignores the government, police, fireman, military person and contractors. It’s just wrong and odd the way this is ignored.
........... Finally in this day in age of electronically supported manufacture cars, no new car being made today should be allowed to travel in speed 10mph about the legal maximum speed limit of the state the new car is being sold. Yes, I know all the egocentric people who buy their power expensive cars will be annoyed, but in real society, excessive speed show not be allow to exist. By forcing the maximum speed of the cars down, you limit the damage a person can do to themselves, their car and others and their property. The reality of what I asking would not inconvenience anyone on the road today and in the long run reduce insurance rates and damage to people and property.
............ Ok, I am done.

This has been in the works for some time. But yeah Obama is a socialist and doesn’t care about the constitution. BTW you don’t give up your rights when you walk into an airport. I wish people would stop being cowards and expecting a nanny state to protect them from the boogey man. The correct quote is “Those who give up freedom for security DESERVE NEITHER” - Ben Franklin

I really think people should read their history; the founding fathers would roll over on their graves if they saw how spineless, cowardly and weak the population has become. And how tyrannical the government has become.

You cannot voluntarily give up your rights..they were given to you by the universe when you were created.

But that’s just it isn’t it, most academics think humans are just another animal to be headed like cattle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdILmgJGuvw

The internet is a type 2 communication system…it is imo the most revolutionary invention in modern times. It has connected people across the world, and has opened the mind of many. These people seek to control the flow of information, and to censor people. To keep people in the dark, to keep people from waking up. It’s a fact the alternative media such as the DRUDGE REPORT, or Infowars.com is not only competing with, but winning over traditional media sources..people know that CNN, NBC, CBS are all a bunch of liars. People are waking up, now the powers seek to control the internet.

Why don't they just try it out with .gov first?

@BubbaGump: on the car thing...different states have different speed caps. I will be buying my car in Texas or Wyoming if that happens

The closes you ever get to pure freedom is attempt to live as remote as possible, independently. But the reality this suggestion is seemly not achievable or as practical. For the most of us, we are a society and have to learn to function together, their by creating rules of sharing, communications, trade and behavior. Of course we could go back a few thousand or more years and the strongest guy with the sharpest weapon would just kill you and take what he wants from you. This is considered a type of freedom too. Defining freedom is not as easy as it seems when the world populations is continuing growing and the world resources are shrinking. Plus add in different cultures and different points of view. The word freedom gets really complicated and you try to express this locally, stately, federally, and globally. The USA was originally a Indianan territory, but we invaders deemed the local population unworthy of the land and rationalize steeling of their property for our own use, all in the name of freedom, go figure?

Yeah Hitler was good at rationalizing too. America is a republic. Not a socialist state. Don’t let corporations walk all over you. The government doesn’t care about you, lobbyists write the laws now. Like I said stop being a coward and being afraid of people with sharp knives. It’s called the 2nd amendment

The owning the bigger stick or sharper weapon for the name of Freedom. There is a period of time in the USA it was forbidden, illegal to sell automatic weapons publically. This law expired in the year 2004 I believe. Starting from this date, there has been a steady flow of sales of automatic weapons to Mexico and South America from the USA. Now those would say, they have the right and freedom to own these automatic weapons. But the reality is, Mexico Government, local governments are a verge of collapse, because all the illegal drug lords have better automatic weapons. Statically when these weapons are found or gotten back, it has been found most come from the USA. So in this case to the common worker in Mexico and South America, I think their freedom is wanting and the Freedom of the Drug Lords is winning! Another consequence of this, we USA have to put up a fence along the southern border of USA and have a gigantic anti-immigration drug force to get the tide contained in Mexico. In fact we cause this mess, by such a large selling of automatic weapons to the public.

@ BubbaGump

Um... you mean Manifest Destiny

I do believe in the right to bear arms to be clear. If some person decides to break into my house in the middle of the night, uninvited, I will assume his intentions are the worse and he is bigger than me. I will then reach for my bigger stick, defend myself, family and home. Beyond this, I believe and trust the law to protect me. Of course in real life, there are those that do not respect the law and so ownership to bear arms at home is a necessary.

@Prbsolver, um, yup,you are correct.

Manifest Destiny was only the Beginning.
like you pointed out, There has been a transition to what is know as "continentalism"

The whole continent of North America appears to be destined by Divine Providence to be peopled by one nation, speaking one language, professing one general system of religious and political principles, and accustomed to one general tenor of social usages and customs. For the common happiness of them all, for their peace and prosperity, I believe it is indispensable that they should be associated in one federal Union

John Quincy Adams

sigh...voluntary or not, our freedoms are ours and can not sold or auctioned regardless of the elites and their actions. However, we would not be at odds with the fourth amendment if people were made aware that searches and seizures by the authorities should be reasonably expected regarding their data on any ".secure" website (this is also the case in airports, etc...). Any judge (Except those in the 9th circuit in CA)would recognize that there is "no expectation for privacy" and therefore no protection provided to users under the 4th.

Of course, for this very reason, any ".secure" domain will fail except for gov and quasi gov agencies.

If you don't want to give up your "E rights" while using the .secure domain, then don't use the domain. Simple as that; it's your RIGHT after all. Better bury your money in the backyard too, that's another right you have.

It'd be really nice if people would talk science on a science website. One day I hope to find a website that actually adheres to that principle.

I'd think the best way to secure the internet would be to form an international body with really professional people tracking crime like phishing, spamming, botting, etc. And make the penalties something that will make perpetrators think twice, like jail for a long, long time.

DECNet is what they need. It was safe, fast and secure. The infrastrure is in place, just restore it and that's all that is needed.

Multiple Internets, big deal. Just have backup Internets! The future is big on IT, much bigger than we can imagine.

"Everything not forbidden is mandatory." Murray Gell-Mann

I see great potential in having a separate secure internet where secure content sits physically separate from the "wild west" traffic on the rest of the internet. Just as you need to authenticate yourself to check your email, you would need to authenticate yourself to gain access to the secure side of the internet. I imagine that most people will rarely ever access these secure sites. They would be more for military and government agencies.

My question is how do you perform this authentication? If the people that need to use these sites must enter an assortment of identification materials on a daily basis, I don't see them getting their jobs done. Something like an identity key would seam logical, but this just brings about a whole new type of identity theft thus voiding the security. I'm very interested to see what the security experts come up with to solve this.

As far as your rights go, I don't believe verifying your identity is at all a violation of privacy. Additionally, these servers are public and should be treated just like a public place. There is nothing stopping anyone from watching where you go and what do there to make sure you aren't doing anything illegal. As I said before, we still have no idea how exactly this will be implemented so we can't yet begin to speculate if its a violation of our rights.

@BubbaGump : Are you speaking of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban that was part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act? That did expire in 2004, but did not regulate automatic weapons at all, it regulated 'semi-automatic' rifles, pistols, and shotguns considered to be 'assault weapons' under a list of descriptors. Fully automatic weapons are regulated under two other acts (National Firearms Act and Firearm Owners Protection Act), both of which are still in affect.

You could always purchase automatic weapons, provided you paid for and obtained the proper licensing/registration of the weapon, and your state doesnt further regulate firearms purchases above and beyond federal mandate.

With all due respect, this proposal will do almost nothing to increase security, and ridiculous metaphors to weapons regulations don't apply.

Attackers will simply route their attacks through hacked computers of oblivious innocents. Just like they do right now. Nothing changes.

If China's internet is more secure (a hypothesis that has not been proven, AFAIK), it is likely because the Chinese military actively encourages criminals to target western systems. A greater contributor to the perceived increase in security is likely the curtailed press freedoms in China. If a server gets hacked in the forest and there's no news about it, it really was still hacked.

@iskidoyou

>My question is how do you perform this authentication? If >the people that need to use these sites must enter an >assortment of identification materials on a daily basis, I >don't see them getting their jobs done.

It will be interesting to see how this is done. I imagine a lot of redundancy (like error checking), and that speed and efficiency will be the price for security; at the same time, there is little protection from unscrupulous file transfers (spies) -and no longer as cumbersome as a Minox spy camera shooting single documents, freezing the roll of microfilm into a bar of chocolate, and walking past customs.

"Everything not forbidden is mandatory." Murray Gell-Mann

@ bubba you just popped my rage meter to red lol, about te guns kinda off topic but the biggest pet peeve of mine from the news. The Automatic weapons report from mexico has been misstated and mis qouteded, the 90 % of the weapons found in raid in mexico that can be traced to america, are acutally less that 10% of the total weapons seized. See what the article doesn't tell you in that all the weapons the Mexico governement seizes 90% they are able to identify as foriegn, and not from America, so from South america, russia, china, iran, etc. So that 90% of the weapons seized is really like 9%. Stats magic baby, gotta love it.

@ALH don't like it don't use simple, no one is forcing you to use, notice the word "voluntary"

@ BubbaGump

Before you spew crap about the 2nd Amendment and how all of MXs drug lord guns come from America, please read about Operation Fast and Furious aka Operation Gunwalker.

It was INTENTIONAL by our GOVERNMENT to get people behind BANNING weapons again.

@lanredneck, @MSM_Lies, don't ya just enjoy free speech. I do! :) Yes, I opiniate and oh yes, I can be wrong. I appreciate you comments; very cool. One the best things about our country is not that we are perfect, but we allow ourselves to correct our own mistakes. The hard time to see a mistake is when you most passionately believe you are correct. It the beauty of free speach that someone can say there is a better way or that is wrong or any other comment. I adore reading PopSci and its so cool we all can blog and comment on it. Everyone in the world reads it and our comments. We live in an awesome country; the good old USA!

an internet for the government separate from public internet? why the heck not?

it's an idea that actually makes more sense than that lame internetID scheme they were peddling.

although, there's still that problem about identity theft, and there's probably a couple of ways to generate fake internetIDs as well..

and there's also the possibility of commercial websites migrating across the veil..

then eventually all of the websites we used to go to are now in the "secure" zone and asking for mandatory identifications..

and finally we realize we're back to square one with the problems faced by internetID.. hehe..

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the only way i can see this working is if they keep the 'secure' zone exclusive to government sites.

if they allow sites normally used by the public domain into the 'secure' zone, then it will only give further incentive for people to find 'creative' ways to break into it..

anyways, just watch the corporate lobbyists closely..
the welfare of the public is never their priority
unless it coincides with the welfare of the folks
that hold the tap on their campaign funding.

@ BubbaGump ; I don't know where you live, but I can buy, and keep, an automatic weapon if I decide to do it. I can open carry, without a license. Obviously, for a full automatic, or to carry concealed; there are permits and real restrictions, both at the state and federal levels.

On Topic: The need for a separate internet is a given. This is like twenty year old information, but I guess that it took BubbaGump's letter to the President to make it happen. A "secure" internet will necessarily be something other than just a computer language. It will have to be something other than binary code and bit registers in chips, which had their day, but are now porous to a dedicated hack with a faster system or group onslaught. Unix code works well for us civilians, as do some of the adapted languages. We know of many cases now where our ForceNet computers have been exposed to the regular web by their operators; and almost every time it has happened, contact was made with known infected sites, like porno sites. While we have been able to limit these occurrences, the simple fact that we know it has happened lets us know that there is indeed at least some alien code in ForceNet. I'd say that we need some multilayered contingencies for equipment lost in the field that operates proactively and seriously turns the lost system to a gooey mess, totally rendering reverse engineering impossible. It's ballistics versus armor, and we're stuck with it until we change the rules; which is what we need to do every time now.

The home computer, desk computer, micro pc has come a long way. As our operating systems move to 64bit processing, and the internet has moved from IP4 to IP6, the main board of computers are becoming standardized with pci express interfaces, lets invent a new internet protocol with the use of 64bit processing and the pci express interface IDENTIFING THE USER, NODE, HACKER to the source as he creates harm. The home computer, operating systems and protocols have grown up, we just need to take the next step and identify the users on the internet. The innocent has the fear, but the bad will scream foul, I am sure.
.... Inmagine a burglar that step one foot on your property and is clearly identified as he approaches your house; it would highly reduce him actually breaking in your house, if he knew he could be clearly identified on approach.

The home computer, desk computer, micro pc has come a long way. As our operating systems move to 64bit processing, and the internet has moved from IP4 to IP6, the main board of computers are becoming standardized with pci express interfaces, lets invent a new internet protocol with the use of 64bit processing and the pci express interface IDENTIFING THE USER, NODE, HACKER to the source as he creates harm. The home computer, operating systems and protocols have grown up, we just need to take the next step and identify the users on the internet. The innocent has NO fear, but the bad will scream foul, I am sure.
.... Inmagine a burglar that step one foot on your property and is clearly identified as he approaches your house; it would highly reduce him actually breaking in your house, if he knew he could be clearly identified on approach.

How many do they need? They have 4 already that were refined and redefined a number of times since 2000. Where will it end? This sounds like that pipe dream of controlling the internet. Will there be new domain names? It doesn't sound likely to me.

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