Brace yourselves, commuters — body scanners may be coming to trains, subways and boats, according to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.
"[Terrorists] are going to continue to probe the system and try to find a way through," Napolitano said in an interview that aired Monday night on "Charlie Rose." She said as aviation security tightens, "we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to trains or maritime."
Her comments were a response to a question about what terrorists would be thinking in the future. She didn't elaborate on what enhanced security at train stations might look like, however.
Trains have already been terrorist targets in England, Russia and Spain, with catastrophic results; just last month, a Pakistani-American was arrested after a thwarted plot to bomb the Washington, D.C. metro system. So it's somewhat surprising the government took this long to acknowledge our other modes of transport are also at risk.
Granted, a would-be terrorist would not necessarily need to board a train to do some damage — just look at train graffiti and you realize how easy it is to access parked trains and all those miles of exposed track. So in some ways, screening passengers seems kind of silly. Plus, rush hour is bad enough in our big cities — scanners and pat-downs on the D.C. metro and New York subway seem impossibly dilatory.
Napolitano's comments came during the busiest travel week of the year, amid a national outcry over new airport scanners and Transportation Security Administration pat-downs. She didn't give any details about how soon the public might see changes, however.
Somebody recently watched "unstoppable" ...lol
Embrace yourself America, for full nudity..
Why don't they just say come naked to airport, train, boats etc from now on.. That would make things much easier and faster!
If they add scanners to trains, subways and boats, I will be seriously thinking about moving to Canada...
because coming without clothes means EVERYONE sees you naked instead of a trained professional. Get over it!
Terrorists are soooo stupid.
They can kill more people, just like they do in Israel repeatedly, by simply walking or driving into congested areas and self destructing.
But of course the fear factor is greater when a plane crashes and burns.
Lets hope the venerable electric cars get better soon with ultra powerful and fast discharging ultra capacitors then USA will have to build super Autobahns where everyone can drive 200 mph and forget about Planes, Trains, Subways, Boats, etc.
if your so worried, why not take humans out of the observation room. just program a computer to recognize anything non-human (besides the clothes) and you don't have to worry about anybody seeing you naked, because there will be no one looking.
a tans-continental bullet train/maglev could also help
gizmo, seriously, are you going to actually blame the terrorists for this? Makes *us* look kind of pathetic when you do that. God, what a colossal waste of time and money.
Those willing to give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither.
You people that support this are submissive little girls
The worst part of these things is how ineffective they really are and how easily they can be beaten. Hell, few months ago Adam Savage managed to get 2 12" razor saw blades through this scanner. It never picked them up.
Thing is, if we are to have the scanners on planes, we ought to have them on trains and other mass transit also. In Spain and other countries, bombs on trains have killed hundreds. It is actually kind of refreshing to have the gov't think ahead of the terrorists for once, instead of banning knives after 9-11, liquids after the British bomb plot, shoes after Richard Reid, and requiring body scans after Abdulmutallab.
However, we are overestimating the current capability of terrorists. Sure, they were formidable back in the day:
On 9/11, Al Qaeda hijacked 4 planes simultaneously with 12+ hijackers who then flew them into buildings. In the decades prior, they were busy blowing up embassies.
Fast forward to 2010, and the traditional branch of Osama and company isn't up to much. The Yemenis can't pull off even a small plot without failing to detonate the explosive (Underwear bomber) or succumbing to a leak (FedEx). The times square guy was incompetent, and we can note that the undie bomber was heading to the U.S., and was not actually placed inside. There are plenty of soft targets in the U.S., but nobody is capable of hitting them.
Obviously Napolitano is seriously out of touch with reality and has never traveled on a commuter train to work. In Los Angeles they can't even assure that people have proper boarding tickets much less try and secure the trains from terrorists. There are just waaay too many people to perform any kind of real security and the price of a ticket would skyrocket if they tried.
Who does she think rides on commuter trains? Since Napolitano doesn't seem to know, I'll fill her in: billionaires and celebrities are not a common site.
Statements like this from Napolitano only confirm that she is completely brain dead. She should be fired.
I don't want anyone to see my weenie, WAAHH! Could these people be anymore pathetic? The privacy issue is no more different than going to the doctor.
welcome to the Police states of America are they trying to incite rebellion? isnt this very control the reason people left England in the first place!
99.9999999999999% of an atom is empty space
This is a victory for terrorists. A terrorist's job is to terrorize people no? Well, they've done it. They've scared Americans so much we're scared of anyone to board a plane without having to be treated as a criminal. If a terrorist really hates our freedom, well then, this a small victory for them since they have scrubbed a little more of our freedom away from us. How sad. I don't really mind that people have to be scanned to board a plane, but I don't believe everyone should have to succumb to this. People of interest should have to but then that would be "profiling". Hm, maybe a background check?
I can't stand hearing about this subject, it makes me realize that while we're winning the war in the East, we're losing some of our freedoms back at home while keeping others.
Dude if they dare do these I will consider moving to a terrorist country (Arab sounds good to me; okay not really, but it would be better than eventually having homeland security to be required to be in... well,.. every home/house)
who cares. this is the way things simply are going to be. i mean really who cares. I watch sci-fi movies and really ANY movie that takes place in the future and I say to my self. THAT would never be like that becuase of terrorist. Terrorists would blow that up, terrorists would .... Look at the new star wars films. I remember one scene where the jedis are in a crowded city and they are falling and jumping past the flying cars and what not. you see similar scenes in Mass Effect 2 and other things. That would never happen. A terriost would simply drive one of those cars into a building. no way to police that. Thats the world we live in. bombs could be anywhere anytime. who cares if some dude sees my wang. its just a wang. there are 3 billion wangs in the world they are not a secret. who cares?!?!
Love the fear!
Not that I care who sees me naked, but I do care if I'm going to have to wait 45 minutes to get on a subway so that the security staff get to take their naked photos...
Does this mean that we will have to take off our shoes to get on the subway???
I'm sorry for you guys, but living in US suddenly seems like the worst place to be!!
Curious question, what if terrorists were still able to attack even after all that? And I'm pretty sure they will.
Doing this, can we say that terrorists have reached their goal ? They are probably laughing at us just looking what we're doing... Pathetic...
Ahhh. Those power-hungry empirebuilders. I'll stick to my car.
On the other hand, how many people have been killed by terrorists compared to those killed in traffic accidents during the same period? Is it wise to spend billions on those unfortunate few?
Al qaeda has won.
They got you into two pointless wars totalling multiple trillion of dollars when VA expenditures are included.
They've have you so scared shitless that you're willing to suspend habeas corpus, employ torture, employ warrantless wiretapping and warantless searches.
You have even stooped so low as to have government agents fondle your childrens crotch to check for a bomb before boarding an air plane.
The most pathetic thing about this is that terrorists brought nothing illegal onto a plane on 9/11(box cutters were legal). The terrorists have already figured out how to beat the scanners(bombs implanted in the colon). The state department didn't revoke the visa of the pant bomber, who was a known risk, because federal counterterrorism officials begged and pleaded that they should let him keep it; they did so because they were trying to track a what they believed was a larger terrorist threat without being rumbled.
This is pathetic beyond belief.
It's funny, I was just talking to my sister about this the other day. I remember saying how if I were to go somewhere overseas I would take a boat so as to not have the perverted TSA's fondling my junk and taking pictuers of my privates which they could use to gratify themselves with later. Looks like that will no longer be an option.
If they get their way and manage to install body scanning machines and security checkpoints in every single instance of mass transit, planes, trains, boats, busses, etc... then what's next? What's to stop a suicide bomber from hopping in a van, getting it stuck in L.A. rush hour traffic, and punching the button? Will they install monitoring devices in everyone's cars then? Then what? Our homes? How about we just get it over with now and implant a monitoring device inside of everyone in the world? Well you know what? Then the terrorists would find a way to remove the devices, and they would be the only ones in the world with any freedom.
You know, if all the idiots in America would snap out of it and read a book once in a while, a little novel called Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury might ring a bell. But no, most of your are too busy updating your facebook status or tweeting to pick up a book or even to see what's going on in the real world. Sometimes doing the right thing means questioning the decisions of those in authority and saying no. We need to wake up and stand up for our rights before they're all gone.
Terrorism is a real threat, but pervasive security is not the solution. There has to be another way.
as long as i get there in one piece im ok im mean seriously u wanna increase the risk of dying just so someone doesnt see ur wang?
The terrorists have already won.
They've reduced a once great Republic to a bunch of frightened, shivering, self-wetting rabbits who huddle together because they are too afraid to move without some Orwellian agency whispering in their ears to tell them all is well.
The funny thing is that those who sneer at others and say that they are afraid to let someone see shadowy images of their genitals are the ones who are the most scared among the rabbits.
See tomcat46 above.
"... us wanna increase the risk of dying just so someone doesnt see ur wang?"
No, tomcat46. Some of us simply understand that Freedom comes with risk and that to the extent that we avoid risk we also diminish our Freedom. Some of us are actually brave enough to bear the torch of Freedom through a dangerous world, unbowed by fear -- somewhat like our Forefathers, who cowered neither at the prospect of the King's noose nor his soldiers' muskets because they had chosen, at all cost, to be free.
The terrorists want us to be afraid. People like you hand them a victory.
Putting on theatrical productions to hypnotize frightened bunnies into thinking they are actually made safe by such hollow pretenses gives the terrorists something to laugh about.
If I were a terrorist intent on making myself a martyr, I'd smile at the lady who checked my bags, smile all the way down the concourse and smile at everyone as I waited patiently in the line at the security checkpoint. When, at my turn, a TSO waved me forward to step into the Rape-o-Scan, I'd do it with a smile. Then I'd blow myself, the equipment, the TSOs and three dozen waiting travelers to Kingdom Come. The resulting panic would cause a stampede in every concourse in the airport, during which dozens of women, children and infirmed would be crushed to death by the weight of the pressing crowd. There would be no need for people to be afraid of airplane travel. All across the nation, they would be afraid to even go to airports.
Up until that point, the bunnies would have been nodding self-reassuring nods, talking about how glad they were that someone else was keeping them safe and grumbling about the guy who was standing up for his Fourth Amendments rights. Had that guy actually been afforded his Fourth Amendment rights, he'd have already been well away from the blast zone.
But we'd sure have made sure nobody had smuggled a testicle-burning excuse for a "bomb" onto a plane.
We have the terrorists right where they want us.
well said mate. they saw it when you were born, and will see it when you die. whats more disturbing is taking your kids on holiday and having them probed first. i think camping in my home country will have to suffice. i mean, come on, kids confidence is easily knocked, and think of how many teen boys will stand and argue, holding up the line? and it wouldnt be long before they would make a law to combat it "halting the progress of transport" or "holding up civilian movement" or some rubbish like that. a couple of decades of this technology will essentially have everyone emotionally hardened against feeling shame/embarrassment, and then we will be 1984. well done everyone.
at the end of the day, the countries who breed and shelter these terrorists should suffer the same fate as our dead terror victims. they should have the s""t blown out of the them. no more problem. unfortunately, not all the haters come from pakistan or afghanistan or korea or china or any other media mocked country. not everyone is a hater. building these scanners everywhere will do nothing to protect us from cyber terrorism like the stuxnet virus that was recently put up for sale to the highest bidder. who got the dough to buy it? well, everyone except the governments who want it back apparently. anyone seen escape from l.a.? kurt russell types in 666 and the world goes dark. hmm, somewhat appealing over permanent probes........
When I went to Europe they barely checked my passport except at Heathrow.
I'd love to take the train from Kansas City to St. Louis just for fun. Waiting in line for an exam kind of kills the experience.
Oh yeah, we should put body scanners at preschools also. You never know what kind of crazed toddlers are running around here.
What about at gas stations?? Terrorists use diesel fuel to make bombs, we should require that everyone needing gas go through a "whole car" x-ray scan to irradiate your children and see what is in your car.
&%^$^%#%$ m'fu^%$^% b@stard$$!!!
I HOPE IF THEY DO EXPAND THE USE OF THESE MACHINES THAT 1) PEOPLE HAVE THE BALLS TO FIGHT IT AND 2)THAT VANDALS WILL DESTROY THESE MACHINES REGULARLY TO MAKE THE PROCESS TOO EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN
I AM SHOCKED THAT PEOPLE DO NOT DESTROY CAMERAS IN LARGE CITIES... ONE FREE ROCK FROM THE STREET PROPERLY AIMED WILL COST THE CITY THOUSANDS TO REPAIR WITH ALL THE BS LABOR UNIONS, ETC. THEY WILL GET THE HINT SOONER OR LATER!
Welcome to the Nazi States of KGB America.
Home of the free - only to do what the Government tells you to do. Land of the brave - to even mention the Constitution.
I've seriously started looking into moving to Canada. I suggest that if you are reading this post - you look into leaving too while you still can. In the not so distant future, I forsee a time when you will be a prisioner -- unable to leave all in the name of "security." Just ask Sitting Bull, you can trust the Government - they are only looking out for your best interest.
Orwell's 1984 is NOW.