Chinese Government Plans to Cause Ten Percent More Rain By 2015

I hope all the "climate change" people out there take note of this. You can not make it rain in one place without taking the moisture out of the air that WOULD HAVE PROVIDED RAIN SOMEWHERE ELSE. Catastrophic consequences that are NOT caused by fossil fuels or CO2!

yes we have the ability to control the weather. earthquakes, tsunamis,volcanoes tornadoes etc. you guys really think that the earthquake in Japan was a coincidence.im not pointing any fingers.

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I'm sure the implications of this are far ranging and impossible to account or plan for. Anything and everything from unintended amphibian death to drought and famine on the other side of the world. The global impact of weather manipulation could be disastrous. Local impacts could be... ironic. China man made snow falls are just the proverbial tip of the ice burg.

China is going to kill us by water there plants....just another passive attack on Americas...like led in toys

You guys are idiots. I don't even think you guys understand the water cycle of earth. EVERY SINGLE DROPLET OF WATER THAT COMES DOWN AS RAIN, GOES BACK INTO THE ATMOSPHERE IN SOMEWAY OR ANOTHER.

This will do nothing to the environment.

I am an American. And proud of it. But . . .

THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT AMERICA IS IN DECLINE BRCAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

CHINA IS THE FUTURE.

They should use this to sap the energy out of extreme weather events.

@menoc

The water cycle is exactly why there's a problem. If there is 10% more rain in one place, there must be a decrease in precipitation elsewhere. and that location cannot be controlled. Thus, weather patterns around the world change and become totally unpredictable.

Actually menoc people like you yelling China is the future is the reason this country is the reason it is thank you sir for proven a point that hill jacks like your self should be pulled into the street and shot

@JediMindset everyone here is already well aware you hold the crown as Popsci's ULTIMATE troll!
but really? we can control weather therefore we can control earthquakes??
how does your "logic" work like that?

I get your trolling conspiracy theories, but here is a news flash. Earthquakes are not weather.

many people have commented on your signature. and I am going to again. because this time you seem to be a 3rd type of person. one with no religion or no brain.

Uhh...dont know if anyone else has experienced but China's rain is horrible. Its pretty much a form of acid. When I was there I got a few rashes from walking in the rain and the shirt I wore to this day still stinks a weird funk. This was in 2008 and is still there. If they are going to increase rain amount I hope they would at least make it cleaner first. From what I saw everybody avoided the rain, made me wonder as I am from washington state, I found out after.

inaka_rob, JediMindset takes a hand full of poop, tosses it into the air as high as he can. He waits for it to splatter on the ground and spot many people. Then he stands back and watches the response for amusement. As you and I write about him, he is happy. It is what he does.

I just know this, if I could control the rain, I would. And if I could control the rain, many people would pay me to control it for them too. It is everyone wish and desire to make fresh clean water for themselves. The key is good management and not destroy the environment for the long run.

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Science sees no further than what it can sense.
Religion sees beyond the senses.

well the way i see it is that they will make more acid rain..... which is bad. Oh, and JediMindset, I happen to have straight A's and i am religious, so you are wrong

-Knock knock
-Who's there?
-The Doctor.
-Doctor Who?
-Yes

"The water cycle is exactly why there's a problem. If there is 10% more rain in one place, there must be a decrease in precipitation elsewhere. and that location cannot be controlled. Thus, weather patterns around the world change and become totally unpredictable."

Since when? Is there some sort of quota on rain? Are you suggesting that more rain falling on China instead of the ocean will result in drought in Europe and the US? That's ridiculous.

Isn't evaporation an equation of relative humidity and temperature? If they make it rain more, and the temperature around the earth doesn't change (not trying to go there), wouldn't that decrease the relative humidity, and therefore increase evaporation? If we did this same process around other arid areas of the world, I would imagine that it would increase evaporation from the ocean, water dry areas, and be a sort of win-win for everyone.

Am I completely off base?

It is common knowledge that most of our rain is not precipitated from evaporation of fresh land and oceanic salt water. Most rain comes from transpiration which is from plants. To increase the amount of rainfall to any degree of significance, one must increase the amount of water taken from plants... which is the exact opposite effect of "increasing rainfall for the sake of larger crops".

J. Bailey

@Jedimindset, you are right on the money

@inka_rob he’s not trolling, just stating the facts. Those rappers are right “make it rain on ‘em!” I remember 3 years ago I told everyone in my office that we (humans) have the ability to control weather patterns and make it rain. Everyone laughed and said I was paranoid (couldn’t say I was crazy, because then why do I keep getting promotions?). Shortly after I took one of my friends outside and showed him a chemtrail (silver iodide and barium) being sprayed. 20 mins later we came back and the “contrail” didn’t disburse as it should. Instead it spread into a haze (chemtrail). He is very skeptical and conservative, but he still knew that wasn’t normal. And came to the conclusion on his own that we are participating in weather manipulation.

Fast forward 3 years and popsci has finally caught up and is admitting China is controlling their weather. Do you really think the U.S has not been doing this?? They invented it. But because we have freedom, the program was kept secret because of advocacy groups.

To all who think the U.S can’t create earthquakes or trigger volcanoes, bow to the marvels of science! Reasearch H.A.A.R.P

Question….can beaming trillions of watts at specific frequencies into the earth trigger earth quakes???

Colin Powel in 1990 addressed the U.N on weather weaponry (earth quakes, tsunami’s volcanoes) and said that in the near future terrorist groups would have access to this technology. Now if he’s saying terrorists groups will have this technology, isn’t he implying that we already do??

Answer: Yes, go read the Air forces initiative on using weather as a weapon, they have been funding this publicly since the 50’s.

WAKE UP!

Between JediMindset and Aldrons Last Hope, China, USA and terrorist, the future of earth will be rubble.

Alrighty then, that's the way the cookie, crumbles...

has anybody considered that jedimindset and aldrons last hope are the same person with two accounts?

@all the sheep,

keeping believing everything big brother "feeds" you and ignoring the warnings that are being given to us by the few brave. its ok, laugh at the facts all you want but science and the laws of physics already proves that weather can be manipulated and put into our grasp.

@Aldrons Last Hope,

thank you for "dropin' knowledge" on these "foolz"

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The people of the world only divide into two kinds, One sort with brains who hold no religion, The other with religion and no brain.

- Abu-al-Ala al-Marri

@scientific anomaly
not calling you stupid, and not supporting jeditroll, but TRUST me straight A's does not mean smart. I have met MANY MANY people who make good grades and are dumb as bricks. They have no idea about the world around them. Handwork, the ability to read a book, and memorization skills do NOT equal intelligence.

@Aldrons Last Hope your no better. If I didnt know anybetter. you are the same troll. I mean person as jedi simply using two accounts to increase your trolling pleasure.
not a single person here listen to either of you.

I love this "he’s not trolling, just stating the facts."

I don't mind a conspiracy theroy. In fact I belvie in lots of them. (such as this drone nonsense in Iran. I would not be surprised for one moment if it was on purpose)

but when you use the FACTS with your ideas... you totally come off as troll.
you talk about people with religion being dumb... but you use the word FACTS in the same way these so called religious idiots you hate so much use the word FAITH.

you can not even see the forest for the trees. You are guilty of all the things you hate. You have no facts. you have faith in your ideas. you hate religious people, but you are a religious person. its is just that you have created your own rlegion with your ideals and yourself being the deity that your worship.

I am not saying we cant cause earthquakes, maybe we can. maybe mars does have life on and we know it. aliens. all the stuff. sure.
but "facts" I think not. you are a religious zealot. there is no two ways about it.

JediMindset,
Do you remember what login introduces the sheep and non-sheep concept? Just to let you know and Aldrons Last Hope too, she wishes you both Happy Holliday!

Hurray to "FREE THINKING INDIVIDUALS with the SPIRIT to SEE and THINK DIFFERENTLY!"

@Jedi, I have been really busy lately with work and such so I couldn’t post links, but now I will….these sheep have to learn

@Inka_rob, Who is the one really trolling?? Talk about the article, which part of my post do you disagree with?? Do you think the China is more advanced than the U.S? do you not think it is possible to cause earth quakes? Do you not believe the Colin Powel addressed the U.N. I know it sounds fantastic, it is to people who watch the kardasians and drink diet soda. But to scientists it’s a problem to be solved.

Let me site some links

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8066925138937638623#
(documentary by PHD’s advocacy group)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_control
(couldn’t find this 3 years ago, even though it’s been going on for 10 years)

Why would “weather weaponry” be banned by the U.N if it’s not possible?? WAKE UP!!!!!!

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7561

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO5Adt4n

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/141005weather_modification.htm

FYI, the Allies noticed in WWII that after heavy bombing, it would rain. That’s what started it all. Please use your brains. I don’t have patience to reiterate the most basic of concepts to you dumb sheep.

Also because JMS and I agree on some things we are the same person?? Does it worry you that much that people don’t think like you?? If you noticed, Jedi (correct me if I’m wrong) is an atheist or a Gnostic, I am a Christian. But we have better things to do than argue religion. Unlike most of you.

We can and do manipulate the weather, research chemtrails, it’s been going on for a decade.

If you want to argue the facts, present your findings and I will present mine. I have been looking into this for over 3 years, so come correct or don’t bother.

@Aldrons Last Hope,

thanks,and no im not atheist. im more of a "spiritualist". i don't base my life off of religion. there is to much to be seen in this life that religion prevents from allowing for some of us. thats my belief.

@inaka_rob,
i believe that reason and freethinking guilds one to greatness. religion says that you must do what it tells you and nothing else.not allowing one to push yourself to the limits of man. im more of "antirelgion" than atheist. but not totally. oh and and being in a spirit does not make me religious.

"religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom"

-Killah Priest

@JediMindset, just check out the links, espically the first one. We do have the technology to not only make it rain but to create weather patterns. By lifting the upper atmosphere, we can create weather patterns. By beaming terra wats at vlf frequencies into the earth we can trigger earth quakes.

@inka_Rob giving up already?

Don't tell me no one else on a this science site knows about H.A.A.R.P?

These ARE the facts.

@Aldrons Last Hope,

thanks i will and you are right, high frequencies have the ability to trigger earthquakes. kind of the same way sound can trigger avalanches. Haiti and japan were both "test subjects". they even got a bonus Tsunami for their efforts. man oh man do i dislike the Elite. weather weaponry is the new weapon of mass destruction.

"religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom"

-Killah Priest

Weather Weapons

I'm not sure how to break this to you, but rain has been controlled since at least World War 2, maybe sooner. In WW2, Britain would seed clouds to create rainy weather, discouraging the luftwaffe from flying around dropping bombs.

Did you ever wonder why the Olympics in Beijing had such incredible weather the whole time? They seeded the clouds prior to the events, ensuring no rainfall during them.

I don't really know how to break this to you, ALH, but unfortunately 3 years ago you *could* have found all this out on Wikipedia. Sadly, your research skills failed you.

Weather weapons come in a few forms. As happened in England during WW2, you can force rainfall excessively -- inevitably causing floods. This can cause all sorts of environmental and economic issues, not the least of which is famine. That's why this form of warfare is illegal.

Another method is by altering the course of a hurricane. With seeding methods, you can in fact alter the course of a hurricane. So say a hurricane is headed towards Florida, you could in theory direct it instead to Mexico, Canada, or even back towards Europe (they could do the same). This is another form of weather warfare that would be illegal under the U.N.

But cloud seeding for the purpose of growing healthier crops? Not so illegal.

H.A.A.R.P.

"To all who think the U.S can’t create earthquakes or trigger volcanoes, bow to the marvels of science! Reasearch H.A.A.R.P"

I won't bother with this silly comment. This page does it for me:
http://www.letxa.com/issue_haarp.php

Man-made earthquakes

The Puyehue-Cordon Caulle volcano eruption was equivalent to around 70 megatons worth of a nuclear bomb. This would be somewhere equal to 3,000-4,000 of the bombs dropped on Nagasaki, only all at once.

This generated about 1,450 earthquakes, the vast majority quite small and only a handful about a magnitude of around 4-5, the point at which you feel it, but it's not particularly dangerous.

To produce this amount of energy, it would take a typical nuclear power plant more than 4-8 months and it would have to store its entire energy output over this time in batteries (likely taking up more square miles than I can calculate) and be able to disperse it all over an extremely short timeframe (read: explosion).

The generated earthquakes would all be local to the battery/dispersal system (and therefore the generator, since I don't know how you would transport -- especially secretly -- the enormous amount of batteries you would have to move).

The only feasible way you could generate man-made, localized earthquakes of any kind of devastating impact, would be to place *massive* nuclear bombs near the region in question and detonate them; and regardless, the radiation afterwards would be highly detectable, making it fairly obvious what happened.

In fact, to create a reasonable explosion, you would likely need to take every nuclear weapon that has ever been tested or detonated on Earth since (and including) Hiroshima/Nagasaki, combine them all into one location, and detonate them at once.

That would get you a magnitude 7-10 earthquake. But nothing short of that.

So, is it possible? Maybe. But its possibility is at least matched by its ridiculousness.

Try again, sheep.

Good to see ALH is still pushing his crazy conspiracy theories. Thanks for the laugh.

@Greg_NJ good to see you haven’t forgotten how to read. Making any new fake accounts so you can flame lately??

@JMS these sheep are pathetic.

@Canadian_Skeptic.

Okay pull up cloud seeding page that is over 3 years old for me?

Second…have you heard of chemtrails?? Look up, then debunk that.

Your debunking site if full of straw man arguments. I’m not saying H.A.A.R.P can create earthquakes by controlling the magnetosphere. I’m saying that they are bouncing VLF frequencies of off the ionosphere back into the earth at terra watt voltages. And that can and does create earthquakes. Just watch the documentary and educate yourself.

That site you linked to is full of rubbish, and I guess that’s why you endorse it? H.A.A.R.P controls weather patterns by (listen carefully), lifting the ionosphere, this disrupts the equilibrium of the lower troposphere, moving weather patterns. DUHHHHHHHH

Actually I can do you one better, ALH. A quick google trends search indicates sharp spikes in searching for "cloud seeding" in at least as early as 2005 through to today. I'm pretty sure that's at least 3 years ago, and presumably those searches weren't met with dead ends.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=cloud+seeding

But that's besides the point. Let's see what all of 2 minutes searching the interwebs yields (and boy let me tell you, this is not an exhaustive account. There's thousands of pages, even before 2000 and likely at least hundreds, maybe still thousands, before the 90s).

Oct. 29, 1982
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/218/4571/424.1.extract

May 1, 1992
http://discovermagazine.com/1992/may/breakingthestorm44

Feb. 2, 1996
http://rams.atmos.colostate.edu/cotton/archives/GKSS-cropped.pdf

Feb. 2, 1998
http://www.evac.ou.edu/okwmdp/physics.html

Feb. 1, 2002
http://www.nawcinc.com/wm.html

Sept. 20, 2002
http://ask.yahoo.com/20020920.html

Aug. 4, 2004
http://www.warwickhughes.com/water/seed.html

June 17, 2006
http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/weekend_extra/story.html?id=53272ee7-551d-4019-a5b0-75d8126f8b8f

Dec. 14, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn5g4Gt_EJw

Nov. 22, 2008
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/meteorologists/cloud-seeding1.htm

Believe me, I could go on. So if you want to call me out on something you're not even willing to do a 2 second google search on to determine whether or not you're completely full of it, don't expect me -- or anyone else -- to take you seriously. On anything.

So now that I've backed up my comments, your turn.

"I’m saying that they are bouncing VLF frequencies of off the ionosphere back into the earth at terra watt voltages."

Source.

"And that can and does create earthquakes."

Source.

Chemtrails, eh? Give me some specific argument to work with, and I'll be happy to oblige. But why stop there? Let's go into 911 conspiracy theories. New World Order? Bush was actually a reptilian alien? Why specify chemtrails when there's so much other crap out there to flush down the toilet.

But no problem -- tell me what you think about them, and if you're wrong, I'll let you know. I'll even (gasp!) provide sources.

Speaking of which, I'll just start off with this link here, for fun:

http://www.skepdic.com/chemtrails.html

By the way, you complained about me using straw man arguments, then.. oh my god, this is incredible.. used a straw man argument against me.

Listen, it's lovely that your *opinion* of the site I linked is full of rubbish, but I'd like to know the *facts* about how you come to this conclusion. By my estimation, you have no substance behind anything you ever say.

But let's even forget the site altogether -- that's your lovely little straw man argument, anyway -- I explained what sort of energy it would take to create an earthquake, in very precise detail. Challenge that.

I'll give anyone reading this one guess as to why you didn't, and why you won't.

@Canadian

I concede defeat. I am a useless conspiracy theorist and serve no purpose.

@imposter ALH

shut up "AIdrons Last Hope" you wannabe. you imposter.

"religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom"

-Killah Priest

ALH,

Apology accepted.

@JMS

What the hell man? I thought we were BCSFF's (bat shit crazy forever friends).

err that would be BSCFF's. Must be some sort of PopSci conspiracy to alter the way my keyboard inputs are interpreted by the website.

I'll give you one thing, ALH, that's a wicked acronym I'd never heard before.

@"AIdrons Last Hope"

you are not the real ALH. you are a jealous imposter. the real ALH has been a member for a long time. you are a fake.

"religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom"

-Killah Priest

i am curious how much of this rain will come down as acid rain due to China's inept industrial pollution policies.

And if the US govt doesn't get their s%@# together and curb their downward spiral of environmental policies, US cities are going to be just as big of a s%@#holes as Chinese metros.

VLF/ULF waves are known to contribute to, and be produced by, certain weather phenomena/earthquakes.

However we could pump the collective power of all power plants on earth into haarp and still fail to create any effect in the ionosphere that is not completely dissipated within a matter of seconds.

It is possible that these experiments could contribute to unforeseen long term effects in the ionosphere that we cannot measure. However anyone accusing the miniscule amount of power being pumped through HAARP causing significant ionospheric change may as well accuse a toddler urinating off the Australian coast of causing the Indonesian tsunami.

@Canadian_Skeptic, ALH, jedimindset:

lol. Reading your convo was more amusing than the actual article itself.

@JMS, omg the imposter is back (Greg_Nj) LOOOSER…what a tool.

@Canadian Skeptic, you are a straw man, why are you bringing up Reptilians…??LMAO??

I posted a documentary…if you want to educate your sheep brain, go watch it. Then look up to the skies. If you live in Canada or the U.S you will see CHEMTRAILS all over the skies. Contrails dissipate, chemtrails do not.

I’m sory, but you don’t know what you are talking about, Chemtrails are real, and have been going on for over a decade. Now the PC term is “weather modification” or “geo –engineering”. Chian is doing it publicly, yet you can’t and won’t acknowledge the U.S has been doing it secretly. First it’s not possible, now, it’s “they wouldn’t do that”?? LOL

One good thing about this article, it put a dollar amount on a chemtrailing program. U.S has been doing this for over 10 years.

I don’t have to provide a source, google chemtrails, video, +20mins…you will find what you need to find.

Paraphrased:

Chemtrails exist, because a video on the internets said so and I believed them. I can tell because I just can.

You don't know what you're talking about, because chemtrails exist. They just call them another scientific term -- weather modification or geoegineering -- but really, it's actually just chemtrails.

So actually, let's just accept that chemtrails exist just because, and therefore this article puts a dollar value on them. That's really what we should be realizing here.

Oh, I don't have any more sources, you've too thoroughly destroyed them all. But that's okay, I'm sure if you waste your time googling, you'll find more people like me on the internets who likewise have an opinion with no credentials to support them and at best anecdotal evidence.

That sound about right? You got any more *arguments* I can work with, so we can keep this at least above a grade 3 level of intelligence? Or is your strongest argument going to remain "just google it"?

Your move.

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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan