A Nobel prize winning scientist who shared the 2008 prize for medicine for his role in establishing the link between HIV and AIDS has stirred up a good deal of both interest and skepticism with his latest experimental results, which more or less show that DNA can teleport itself to distant cells via electromagnetic signals. If his results prove correct, they would shake up the foundations upon which modern chemistry rests. But plenty of Montagnier's peers are far from convinced.
The full details of Montagnier's experiments are not yet known, as his paper has not yet been accepted for publication. But he and his research partners have made a summary of his findings available. Essentially, they took two test tubes – one containing a fragment of DNA about 100 bases long, another containing pure water – and isolated them in a chamber that muted the earth's natural electromagnetic field to keep it from muddying the results. The test tubes were housed within a copper coil emanating a weak electromagnetic field.
Several hours later, the contents of both test tubes were put through polymerase chain reactions to identify any remnants of DNA – a process that subjected the contents to enzymes that would make copies of any DNA fragments they found. According to Montagnier, the DNA was recovered from both tubes even though the second should have only contained water.
Montagnier and his team say this suggests DNA emits its own electromagnetic signals that imprint the DNA's structure on other molecules (like water). Ostensibly this means DNA can project itself from one cell to the next, where copies could be made – something like quantum teleportation of genetic material, a notion that is spooky on multiple levels.
Naturally, there is plenty of skepticism to go around regarding these findings, ranging from outright dismissal to measured doubt. Indeed, it's a pretty radical notion: DNA replicating itself through "ghost imprints" rather than the usual cellular processes. More details will emerge when the paper is published in a peer-reviewed journal, as it is likely to be. The findings will then have to be repeated in multiple independent studies to be considered valid, something that will take some time. In the meantime, expect these findings to draw equal parts intrigue and skeptical scrutiny.
Interesting but I think I'll remain skeptical of this until the experiment is repeated in other labs.
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Very interesting but not really a big deal to me. Because in fact I teleport my whole body all the time! Going to the store... school, anywhere......the only problem is that (like the DNA) I end up cloning myself every time I do it. Which means that later on I have to backtrack and fight myself to the death for a place in this world....luckily I always win :)
I remember when innovation can from logical thinking and observation. Fear of change and unlearning that which you thought was true was difficult for the average person but not for those with scientific minds.
That being said, if computer data can replicate itself physically and wirelessly and WE are still more advanced in our organic design then our artifical creations so why wouldn't OUR DATA be able to replicate wirelessly was well as physically?
DNA imprinting on water. What the ..?
Um, last time I looked, DNA was made of more than just water.
All this proves is that biology can have crackpots as loony as physics crackpots.
Wait a second, who said the enzymes couldn't talk?
This article,and possibly Dr. Montagnier himself, do a HORRIBLE disservice using the term "teleportation." Emiting EMS isn't inconceivabe. EMS signal being acted upon isn't inconceivable.
I like trolling as much as the next guy, but...For pete's sake, Luc Montagnier is a nobel prize winner; which do you think is more likely, that he's talking completely crazy, or that you simply don't understand the concept?
Did they consider DNA present in the water already? How about on the receptacle? He's not a crack pot. I think he is approaching this very scientifically. He noticed a phenomenon and is investigating it. Crack pots wouldn't investigate or work with their colleagues in the scientific community to verify the information. Remember the cloning people in France and Korea.
well it makes sense, okay not really, i think this needs to be repeated in several labs and make sure that they weren't just using dirty tubes...
how do you negate the earths magnetic field?
if this be true, then there would be a lot more common uses for that chamber.
Certainly DNA is not made up of just the components of water. I think the concept here, though, it a bit different. In the first step, the scientists used the set up to essentially shape the water in the second tube to resemble the original DNa. Then, if I'm reading this correctly, they added polymerase, along with a cocktail of nucleic acids, and allowed the polymerase to copy the shaped water into an actual DNA strand.
Though I'm not sure since most of the details aren't given here.
Also, quickly @extremechiton, you can find info on electromagnetic shielding methods here: Wikipedia -Electromagnetic_shielding#Magnetic_shielding
I would really like to see this replicated. If such a thing is possible one could just clone something just from an electromagnetic signal.
Wow if this is real, maybe homeopathy is also real. Maybe radio signals are damaging our DNA, and we should stop using all forms of electrical power. I wonder if we could somehow use power lines to clone ourselves. I think I am going to put my finger in a light socket and see if I will be reborn a few miles away.
Does this mean it'll be possible to transfer my soul/self-consciousness from one body to another body that is non taken?
The underlying electromagnetic process for this "tele-portation" looks surprising similar to the Russian Phantom DNA Experiment.
In that experiential that use laser light, instead of a coil based electromagnetic field.
Creating anything resembling DNA (H,N,C,O,& P) out of nothing but H2O seems Impossible! Perhaps some important chemistry information was unintentionally left out of this Populist science magazine. If instead of "just" water there were also raw chemicals in the water, I would find this a tiny bit more believable... That being said, the implication that DNA could be created out of the raw elements by electomagnetic transmissions would indicate that terra-forming entire planets would be possible without even setting foot on the planet. Again, this does seem impossible.
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it would also be a huge breakthrough in teleportation.
no going to happen at least not with anything in ths paper.
you "self-consciousness" is the memories incoded the cells (links between cells) of your brian and has nothing at all to do with DNA.
to cope your consciousness you would have to change the physicals of brain cells.
If there was the slightest trace of DNA in the second test tube, the PCR would have replicated it. It would be extremely difficult to avoid trace contamination, which is why I tend to be skeptical here.
Okay, anyone in their right mind knows that electrical fields aren't going to "teleport DNA." Is theoretically possible however that the elemental components could be encouraged to bind together properly under these circumstances? Yeah. Since the guy's a nobel prize winner, I'm going to assume that he didn't try to create fusion using low power magnetic fields and instead assume that the elemental components were already in the water.
An alternative (and probably more accurate) possibility is that DNA polymerase needs binding sites in order to work properly. If the binding sites were placed into the solution along with elemental components, it would make sense because the other bits of DNA could potentially attach themselves to the binding sites for polymerase...
In PCR, dNTP's are introduced into the system. It's not just water at that point.
Argh! Reading the POPSCI article, I think that the more interesting claim would be that weak electromagnetic fields at near atmospheric pressure can fuse hydrogen atoms into carbon.
Enzymes require carbon -- how do they form in pure water?
a: Water was not pure, it had carbo in it
b: Carbon was introduced from external sources (perhaps contained in enzymes already!)
b: Sensor had carbon already on it
c: Sensor was faulty
d: Data was falsified
e: Water (hydrogen and oxygen) was converted to carbon
None of these radically change my view of DNA in the least, unless option e had occurred.
This is troll science. What is so special about DNA to make it "teleport", while every other atom or molecule in the world isn't doing this.
If this silly idea was true. All our cells would be mutating like crazy, as DNA was teleporting all over the place. It would be dangerous just being in the room with another species, let alone eating them.
The majority of people who are calling shenanigans are all making the same mistake of thinking that this DNA is appearing out of thin-air. No. They are not saying that the water is empty the entire time and, then magically, DNA from nothing.
The article clearly states that they perform a PCR on the second tube. Polymerase chain reaction, under normal procedure, takes a piece of DNA and ADDS all the requirements for building DNA in order to replicate certain pieces. What it seems they are saying is that the instructions for how to build whatever piece of DNA they have on the first tube is influencing the PCR of the second tube. This is not so hard to believe when you know that they add the nucleotides, magnesium, and other reagents required to build the DNA. There are just as strange things occurring with the bacteria in your sink and DNA as there are occurring here.
1) The researcher is a Nobel prize winner. He's definitely not just making it up for the hell of it.
2) If his paper has been submitted and was not already rejected, it's likely founded upon real science with recognizable, reputable experimentation and analysis. The results, of course, are staggering and should be subject to skepticism. But criticized with real science.
"There was probably already DNA in the second tube."
- 1. That would be assuming poor construction of the experiment to begin with. 2. DNA sequencing of 100 base pairs is extremely easy and accurate. It would not be hard (and was probably done in the experiment) to show that the DNA of 100 base pairs in the second tube had an extremely likely chance of matching the DNA in the second tube. Any other pieces of DNA, also, would not match with the DNA primer likely added. DNA primers will sit on anything that match their sequence, but it is not likely that a strand of around 100 base pairs in length of similar sequence was already in the other tube.
"The water had carbon in it. / Carbon was in the tube already. / A method to change water to carbon (suggesting alchemy occurred?). / Data was falsified"
- 1) Nobel prize winners aren't known for falsifying data for the sole reason of "screw science."
2) Anyone suggesting that it was contaminated needs to go read how PCR works. The water is clean to begin with, then, the reagents are added to make the DNA. The suggestion is still not that the DNA magically appeared, but that it was able to copy the DNA template strand from the first tube somehow. It is not impossible to believe that, all other influencing factors removed, that the DNA from one tube could influence creation of DNA nearby. Every living thing has some electromagnetic field, they're just not very strong, especially when sitting inside the Earth's magnetic field. It is certainly not impossible to assume that a weak electromagnetic field could leave an imprint in water. Water can already be manipulated to do other things with electromagnetic pulses. It seems unlikely that PCR could occur without a template strand, but this study is clearly showing that it may occur.
"Why aren't my cells just replicating DNA constantly all the time because they can?"
- 1) Some do. Epithelial cells. Intestinal cells. Cells in your marrow that will make up blood cells and T cells and B cells. Do they do it in this manner? No. Why?
2) Because your cells aren't constantly being given the reagents to make that much DNA all the time. The cell is given specific signals of when to replicate and when to stay in the stage of life it's in. They don't just replicate whenever they have the materials.
Read these articles carefully. I don't comment on a lot of the physics articles or technology reviews often when I don't understand the science behind it because I'm aware I don't understand the science. Make sure you understand the technical terms and experimental procedures used in the experiment before calling out any experiment.
Of course, the Nobel Prize winner who finds the link between HIV and AIDS is probably a loony like some people have said. That just makes sense.
Apart from Luc Montagnier's Nobel Prize-winning success in isolating the HIV virus, he is most famous for his controversial views on the supposed ability of water to imprint upon itself some sort of memory of other molecules it has been in contact with - a notion largely rejected by the rest of the scientific community ever since he first advanced it about 25 years ago. He has used this theory to attempt to explain the mode of action of the effectively infinite dilutions used in homeopathic medicine. But homeopathy has not been conclusively shown to work, anyway so it's a bogus explanation employed to describe a non-effect. I'm sorry but on balance, Nobel prize or not, Montagnier's theories about water imprinting - DNA or otherwise - look unlikely to bear fruit.
OK people, here is documentary movie giving same discoveries about water: Water(2006/I) www.imdb.com/title/tt1663702/plotsummary
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Well, in the synopsis of the electric universe, walt thornhill identifies a list of probables and this is one of them, and anti grav is another. Nuclear catalytic resonant energy...where bacteria change one element into another.
One assumes that the ideal bacteria is one that doesn't exist in nature, and is patentable. Unfortunately, since bacteria DO change elements, the probability of patent-ability is nil.
And there is the very definite possibility that we have already been down this road before. One of the reasons that Oklo had a higher tech for degrading dangerous radioactivity and why F Haber was disappointed to find far less gold in the seas than what was predicted. Been there, done that.
If it shows anything, it is that the polymerase chain reactions are not at all doing what they have been thinking it has been doing. It would not be the first time that the validity of PRC has been questioned.
Based on what some have vaguely pointed out, if the elements to cause the PCR reaction are introduced to the system at the time of the test, then the results are skewed. If the reaction is occurring with just the water, the PCR is not what it claims to be.