There are two ways to go about testing this, neither of which are practical. One requires the energy of dozens of Large Hadron Colliders. The other could yield a cauldron-full of flaming plutonium. Both, however, would probably create carbon monoxide and a pile of rust and salts rather than a cool Frankenstein element.
If you toss single atoms of each element into a box, they won’t form a super-molecule containing one of everything, explains Mark Tuckerman, a theoretical chemist at New York University. Atoms consist of a nucleus of neutrons and protons with a set number of electrons zooming around them. Molecules form when atoms’ electron orbitals overlap and effectively hold the atoms together. What you get when you mix all your atoms, Tuckerman says, will be influenced by what’s close to what.
Oxygen, for example, is very reactive, and if it is closest to hydrogen, it will make hydroxide. If it is nearest to carbon, it will make carbon monoxide. “That random reactive nature applies to pretty much all elements,” Tuckerman says. “You could run this experiment 100 times and get 100 different combinations.” Certain elements, such as the noble gases, wouldn’t react with anything, so you’d be left with those and a few commonly found two- and three-atom molecules.
Ramming the atoms together at 99.999 percent the speed of light—the top speed of particles in the Large Hadron Collider, at the CERN particlephysics lab near Geneva—might fuse a few nuclei, but it won’t make that cool Frankenstein element. More likely, they would meld into a quark-gluon plasma, the theoretical matter that existed right after the universe formed. “But they would last for a fraction of a second before degrading,” Tuckerman says. “Plus, you’d need 118 LHCs—one to accelerate each element—to get it done.”
The other approach, as explained by John Stanton, the director of the Institute for Theoretical Chemistry at the University of Texas, would be to toss a pulverized chunk of each element or a puff of each gas into a sealed container and see what happens. No one has ever tried this experiment either, but here’s how Stanton thinks things would play out: “The oxygen gas would react with lithium or sodium and ignite, raising the temperature in the container to the point that all hell would break loose. Powdered graphite carbon would ignite, too. There are roughly 25 radioactive elements, and they would make your flaming stew a little dangerous. Flaming plutonium is a very bad thing. Inhaling airborne radioactive material can cause rapid death.”
Once things calmed down, Stanton says, the result would be as boring as the atoms-only scenario. Carbon and oxygen would yield carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. Nitrogen gas is very stable, and would remain as is. The noble gases wouldn’t react, nor would a few of the metals, like gold and platinum, which are mostly found in their pure forms. The things that do react will form rust and salts. “Thermodynamics wins again,” he says. “Things will always achieve equilibrium, and in this case that’s a mix of common, stable compounds.”
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I think that if you had eneough time you could rearrange each element in a specific order and it might be possible to make a super element. it just takes awhile to do.....that is why there is trial and error
@Nolan2011 - That comment demonstrates such a lack of even common scientific knowledge, and is so blatantly irrational, that I'm going to assume you're trolling. Good try!
I think it would interesting to mix only (non-radioactive) metals to create a super-alloy though.
yeah.. this really isn't an exciting brain game. you get a whole bunch of boring compounds. common compounds form for a reason.
Nolan2011, what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
@ajeandell and ShellsOnTheFloor
Your responses to Nolan2011 are overly-critical, injurious and rude. They're so over-the-top, in fact, that I'll assume that you're both trolling. Return from whence you came, trolls!
Why doesn't everyone calm down?
Instead of accusing everyone of trolling and calling each other idiots, just calmly inform Nolan2011 that he's wrong.
Anyways, this just demonstrates that super-elements aren't possible yet.
That's okay.
I like buckyballs (C60) better.
They look like footballs.
"What Would Happen If Every Element On The Periodic Table Came Into Contact Simultaneously?"
Isn't this how Chuck Norris was shat into existence?
@Chad_Is_Rad: No, you've got it backwards. Chuck Norris shat the Periodic Table into existence.
Jokes aside, of course little happens except some of the basic compounds coming together, and probably a few exciting releases of energy as well (read: explosions).
Obviously not too many people here have seen Billy Maddison... or have photographic memory I guess lol
As if we did not have a full plate, exploring doped ceramics and Aerogels ... carbon nano-fibers and the plethora of other strange new materials and processes ... Superconductors and ferro-fluids and Bose-Einstein Condensates and rDNA and ALL the latest nano-circuit and nano-construction ... new drugs (Huey Lewis) ... and ... well ... FLUBBER(TM) and VELCRO ... "PLASTICS" (The Graduate).
I mean ... Who the heck would even care or think to ask such a question ... or to try to answer? Why?
I mixed everything in our bathroom medicine cabinet with everything under our kitchen sink ... when I was about 6 years old. I distinctly remember Crest tooth-paste and Comet and Aspirin and some other stuff, from my Chemistry set (I know ... 6 years old, right?) ...
... It turned out to be greenish-blue and had a strange smell that I can remember, to this day (44 years hence). But, like I said ... "So effin' what?".
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Yes, we could just throw all the elements together, but we could also /engineer/ a super element using nano-scale methods and forcing them to bond instead of letting nature do it for us. Who knows what that molecule would do!
I hate that guy "Thermodynamics", he always wins and takes the fun out of science. JK. This would be fun to try even if all do get is salts and gasses.
Or....You can grab lunch at your local Asian buffet. Gases will result, none of which will be noble.
@Nolan2010 ramble ramble ramble... go smoke another joint
@astuteverbosity oh ya thanks mom for the little pep talk... go take your conservative bull crap and shove it... this is a public site and those of us who feel like being jack asses will gladly put someone down for being an idiot... which brings me to my next point.. quit being a pussy and just read if you got a problem...
I like the idea of trying to create a "SUPER" element but lets be honest here probably never gonna happen, probably as likely to happen as obama is to change things so lets leave it at that lol
Wootz, come on Jumbonium!
- Plz dont feed the trolls -
Simultaneously!? ...I donno how that'd be accomplishable to be totally honest (there's a tricky little thing called density, and an even trickier one named half-life) but I would have to agree that it would likely end in some fire and a bit of decent smoke.
I had hoped for a video when looking to this article ;/
Without overthinking it, let's just grab a bottle of ammonia and a bottle of bleach. Then, depending on the actual mix we'll create one of the following: sodium hypochlorite (Chlorine gas), nitrogen trichloride, or hydrazine. In theory, we don't need the full periodic table to wreck havoc. Just need to pay attn during 5th grade science class.
Hey, Tony Stark did it in the basement :)
@jillje03: I'm not giving you a pep talk; feel free to be as much of a jack ass as you want.
And if you don't want me to tell you what to do, quit being such a hypocrite
I don't "got a problem", but it is pointless to waste your time just calling some ignorant guy an idiot.
You're as much of an idiot as he is.
I'm not conservative; I support Obama which evidently you do not
So quit being a two faced, hypocritical, jackass, dousche bag and then come tell me what to do
@jillje03: I'm not giving you a pep talk; feel free to be as much of a jack ass as you want.
And if you don't want me to tell you what to do, quit being such a hypocrite
I don't "got a problem", but it is pointless to waste your time just calling some ignorant guy an idiot.
You're as much of an idiot as he is.
I'm not conservative; I support Obama which evidently you do not
So quit being a two faced, hypocritical, jackass, douche bag and then come tell me what to do
Grrr, learn your terminology. There would not be a 'super element' using anything shy of some extreme forced nuclear fusion.
At the very least, what you are thinking of would be a 'super molecule'.
Now, I see what you are thinking of. If we had nano- or pico- bots capable of manipulating individual atoms, and the ability to arrange for them to have very specific ions of the elements available, it might just barely be possible to construct some sort of bizarre molecule with lots of elements inside of it, but it's hard to imagine such a construct being very stable. There's a reason long chain molecules tend to be a repeating patern of some sort.
Nor could any such molecule ever contain 'all' the elements, because the heavier ones tend to be unstable, with durations lasting under a second after being created (though there is a theoretical stage some where above an atomic number of 500 that they become stable again, but I do not recall more info than that. Such a number seems impossible to reach however)
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@gillje03: Hi, and lol to you too.
@OrdinaryMouse: I was about to say the same thing about Tony Stark, but I think he did not combine elements... he just created a new one, out of... some... things. Fictionally speaking, of course.
I think it all depends on amounts of any of the elements that different effect may varied!
Talking about the Super Element, how about the elements making up a black hole?!
STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure)
On combining equal moles of everything ...
First: We would be getting VASTLY different results at different temperatures and pressures.
This would not be occurring in an open beaker, either, correct? ... So, we are to do this inside some inert pressure envelope, like some sort of glass-lined pressure cooker ... hmmm ?
So we take this little MUD PIE that we are making and we do "WHAT?" , to the temperature and pressure ??
Shall we use hydraulic presses, and crush it into a diamond (crystallized mass) ?
Shall we place it in an absolute vacuum chamber, the size of a gymnasium, and heat it to the temperature of a Blue-Giant Star?
Should we start at absolute zero, and bring the temp up?
How fast should the temperature change?
Or go the other direction?? ... Or, change all these variables in an instant of time ???
And if you use enough, of each material, then that would guarantee critical mass of U235 and Plutonium and there would be stuff like mercury (solid, liquid or vapor?), in the mix??
Are you goung to spin it? ... crush it ?? press it? grind it? ... mix it?? .. shake it ... ?
Like I said, in an earlier post ... This has to be one of the stypidest questions ... There must be a million different outcomes ... Depending on how much stuff you are using and what you do to it.
I'd rather we all design a super-conducting po-go stick ... y'know what I mean ?
= Burrrp = (A little noble gas, there).
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I guess I am too country to know what Trolling is. Although I did learn what pegging is the other day on the Colbert Report... aside from that, didn't they all come into existence simultaneously with the big bang? How about an attempt at feedback before you attack this www.bluesilingus.com founder. I'll gladly die from my wounds after becoming empowered with the knowledge and opinions of the world.
Wow! People are more forgiving here than on say...grist.org where most of you would be banned by now.
@Bandanabro...look up trolling on www.urbandictionary.com.
I wonder is why we are asking this question. Not all of the elments on the P.T. are naturally occuring, which means they were human-made. I think we know what we get when we mix elements and we know what we get when we split them. There is no mystery in the halls of science here. Suplemental reading on isotopes, fission, radiation etc. are recommended.
Maybe this is the box
such a filo question deserving a filo answer and not fight of the want to be smart too. Nuclear fusion nor chemical fusion can answer here on stand alone aproach so keep it everybody in the black hole box where such a "lets create a super element" intention of such a question belonging to.
The problem with this question lies in the definition of the word, "simulataneously." This implies the existence in the exact same time and space of all of the elements. This appears an utter impossibility.
In a sense, a coupls of experimenters reporting recently on a closed internet site about some cavitation collape work wherein they became very ill from the syptoms of radiation poisoning, seem to have done the opposite, accidentally creating all, or, at least many, of the elements of the periodic chart simultaneously, according to analytical results they reported. Most scientist are very skeptical. However, one theoretical approach, the Oscillator/Substance Model suggests that in every cubic centimeter of space there may exist some 10^54 (plus or minus a few million orders of magnitude) of tiny oscillators, many of whom can possibly be transformed by shock waves into neutrons, or "neutron-like" units, and cavitation collapse caused an intense shock wave. So, while it seems impossible to get all of the elemnts "back together" at once, there may well be ways to "start them out" together. It will be interesting to see the full report from these people.
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Well, folks, I think that this sort of maximum mixing with absolute compression happens when all forms of matter and energy are sucked (gravitationally speaking) across the event horizon of a black hole. As acceleration of the matter and energy approaches light speed, matter is converted into a plasma at the point of the event horizon. Past that point, you will have to ask Hawking or Feynman or someone whose head resides in those thoughts for the plot. I believe that it is anybody's guess, at that point.
However, superconducting ferro fluid plasmas, when accelerated sufficiently, do produce some neat effects. They are compounds of various elements that yield a synergetic amalgan that has some very strange and useful properties. Now, that kind of chemistry and physics has potential for some real change.
@Nolan2011 when you say super element there are several problems with that statement, first once (x) amount of elements were combined it would not be an element, but a compound. Next when you said super, I'm not sure why you think it would be "super" yes it would be interesting if they could do that but its just impossible for several reasons, one is that we can get rid of many elements because some are noble gasses, some are two radioactive, and others half lives are to short some are estimated at 5ms. now assuming you know some chemistry/ science you should know that many elements can only bond with a small number of other elements now i realize there are exceptions but you get the idea.
@ ShellsOnTheFloor in reply to his comment towards Nolan2011
First I'd like to start by saying congrats on being so stupid you got me to make an account so I can rip on you. 1.) Trolling is the bashing of someone or something simply for shits. His comment was far from it...so way to be a moron and not know what you are talking about. 2.) He is allowed to have his opinion and better yet, his imagination. Overall you are a dipsh*t who needs to think before running his mouth.
How about you guys giving thought to a more constructive challenge: Using a set of three numbers, work out a scheme for expressing the periodicity of the Periodic Table. The set would have the pattern of {n1, n2, m}, where n1 and n2 are always positive and can take on values of 1,2,3,4. The third one, m, can range over +/- 2n^2 and include a zero. The set of numbers in effect becomes a new way of expressing the "position coordinates" of an element in the Table.
THEN, here is the constructive part that requires some thought. You will find that the pattern is not actually complete. Apparently, some "less than atomic" particles can be described by this pattern too. In other words there are "sub-atomics" that precede the whole Table. Your task is to extend the periodicity rules "backwards" and find these missing subatomic particles. How many are there? And how many of those are NOT in our textbooks?
If you need some hints, Google "Intuitive Concepts in Quantum Mechanics" and then find "The Atomic Spin System".
Eureka! We've discovered Idiotium!
It's an interesting topic, I thought about it previously, and one of my teachers told me that it wouldn't a really flashy experiment.
I think it would be interesting if it formed something like the Omega Molecule in "Star Trek Voyager". For those of you who don't know, Omega is an infinitely complex molecule that is highly reactive and unstable. In the episode it was basically what caused the big bang.
holy crap! how long have I been gone? Pop-sci has turned into 4chan! YOU MANIACS!!!!
Well, obviously not too many people here have seen Billy Maddison... www.gardes-enfants.com/news.php or have photographic memory I guess lol
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Why do people keep making references to a super element? What exactly would this super element be, and what special properties would it have? There isn't that much wiggle room left on the periodic table, and anything not on the table wouldn't last a second. I'm always shocked by the ignorance of people that post on a science magazine's website.
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Hmmm No one can explain this super-element ... I just wondered why there are only 118+ elements in the world are there more that we don't know existed ...
I'm a layman, but here's my question:
If the elements could be placed together in a chronological order based on the age of each element (starting with newest first or oldest first) could the resulting item be determined?
I have always wanted to try this. not the LHC way, but the baking a cake way.. maybe put it in some ocean water and pass a current through..
i would ingest the result of the mixture of all the elements, atomized, mixed 1:1 by weight, for science.
as far as getting the gaseous elements in the mix easily, Water for the hydrogen/oxygen, liquid nitrogen, sorry that's all the gaseous elements i can think of right now, besides chlorine which is in every salt, so really, just throw in some ocean water. but i do think, that mixed in amounts proportional to the earth's elemental content, heated, cooled, exposed to electricity, agitated, and allowed to settle, you would end up with basically oceanwater in the middle, sediment on the bottom, whatever floats on top..
i say that a better experiment would be to add all the elements, in proportional amounts to earth's content, superheated or otherwise pasteurized without altering the balance, sealed, in a glass globe or something, and see if the inside ever exhibits signs of new life.. flyback transformer to get electricity inside the globe, like a plasma globe, just as long as it is sealed off from the outside world, and completely sterilized.. you could study the early formations of organic chemistry, or something, depending on whether or not it is possible without.. "outside intervention" or whatever. gotta have magnets too, and sunlight. ok lets just launch it into space.
Yes espically now that the republicans now have the majority in both the senate and congress nothing will get down now except extending those stupid taxcuts that offer no help to the majority of the population in the united states except that oh so important 1% of americans and making sure that much of the goverment and market no longer have any regulations. Example:the banks they control much of the market and for them to make such risky loans and things of that nature are absoulately wrong for them to be doing especially after being bailed out because of them doing that and now they are doing it again.but given time and as our technolgy progresses we will be able to do amazing things that we can not even comprehend at this moment in time.Just like space travel would have not even been cosevable 100 years ago
that last comment was supposed to be a response to gillje03's post on 11/29/10 im new and I am iggnorant when it comes to blogs or anything of the sort and i appoligize for my iggnorance.
If there was a super element that would pwn but anyway more to the point.
@Nolan2011
I don't think you are wrong or right for what you said, it may have been ignorance or it just may have been curiosity for what people say to your comment. And to the people making fun of him. He may be right you NEVER know not in this world, I mean if people bad talk Bush STILL even though Obamas in the White House theres obviously lots possible that we don't know about yet. Heck the govt. might decide its a good idea to use Halo equipment for fighting, or when people decide Global Warming is total bull, it could be completely possible.
(And don't call me a troll for expressing my opinion)
Talking about mixing chemicals, this reminds me about an article on the internet I read just the other day with the title "How to make awesome crystals in seconds!". Some one can die cause it tells you to mix bleach and ammonia and to take a straw and make bubbles inside the mixture and depending on how much carbon monoxide you made, the crystals would change colors. But then you realize chlorine gas starts to separate from bleach as soon as you add ammonia to it and blowing at it with a straw will only speed things up.
Moral of story is don't mix bleach & ammonia cause it'll kill ya.
This is my FYI question.
This question is hypothetical and I realise that in reality it may be impossible or extremely complicated with many outcomes.
It is a thought experiment only, and I was hoping some complex math or theory could be used to determine what sort of molecule(s) would remain after the reaction.
What I invision is a sort of box/chamber that is a vacuum.
You have the same amount of each element (in mols lets say) all being withheld from eachother (in glass vials or something). In an instant, all the elements are released and allowed to interact.
No "Super-element", no shaking/heating up/crushing...just...every element interacting simultaneously in a vacuum.