Inside the Brand-New High-Tech Rainbow Warrior

If it relies on wind power, how is it moving without benefit of sails?

Who said it operated ONLY on wind power? Calm seas are always possible as are winds that could destroy the sails.

There's always time to do it better NOW.

Check out the www.EducationalTallShip.org It is a classic sailboat with a modern design. Green hybrid design at its best. There is also some cool stuff about the Rainbow Warrior I found here http://www.bloosee.com/boats/the-rainbow-warrior/

I heard the pop-up restaurant on the Rainbow Warrior was amazing in NYC last week.

While I agree with some of their ideas I can't agree with their tactics. They employ terrorist on these ships in the name of good. Kind of like killing an abortion clinic doctor. The good doesn't justify the means. This ship on it's own will be part of the problem. There is no way this ship will ever do any GREEN work and never will it be peaceful. Shame on them.

Can you say which tactics you find objectionable (with which you "disagree" if "objectionable" is too strong)?

What is your definition of terrorist? Has greenpeace ever blown anything up?

Was it actually greenpeace or just someone who did some things with greenpeace and also happened to commit crimes?

I hear middle-class white people all the time say that people of color and sex workers and trans folk are horribly wrong for saying that the police are abusive because the police don't have **policies** to be abusive, it's just that some bad cops take things too far.

And that's getting defensive over the word "abusive" - "terrorist" takes it to a whole nother level.

Do you believe that the police are terrorist organizations? Police have used their badges to rape women and trans people, kill First Nations, Black, Latino, and Asian men, and generally ignore crime victims that have less money & status while jumping at the chance to defend people with money & power by arresting anyone, guilty or innocent.

In the US they have literally committed huge numbers of crimes and civil rights violations. There are still people alive who killed civil rights workers while on duty as police of sheriff's deputies. And, worse, there are plenty of people still alive who worked with those folks and know for a fact that they did it.

And what are we to make of the cops who railroad someone we know is innocent? There have been hundreds of people set free from death row, and in most of those cases the cops had good reason to think that they were innocent but buried the evidence - which not only is kidnapping (for decades!) an innocent person, but also sicking the real killer on a community by leaving the killer on the streets. Then, of course, if the impossibility that we caught each and every wrongful death-penalty conviction before execution. You know that they've given the death penalty to innocent people before, and odds say more than 1/3rd of those cases involved the cops or prosecutors concealing evidence (if those cases are similar to the cases that we've been able to discover through DNA testing).

That's right, not only have individual cops killed, but the system has killed - and in Texas they say that actual innocence is no bar to execution if the person had a trial and if the person about to be executed can't prove **not only** that the cops/prosecution hid exculpatory evidence, but that the jury would definitively have come to a different conclusion.

That's right: in Texas it's policy to execute people even when police/prosecutors lie in court about things that directly bear on the guilt or innocence of the person executed. That's not a few bad apples, there.

Let me be clear: I don't think it's fair to call police organizations terrorist. But you can't deny that there's lots & lots of cases where officers and deputies have killed, kidnapped, and raped. In Texas you can't deny that appellate rulings create a policy where even people proved innocent are still executed unless you prove prosecutor misconduct are executed...and even when you prove prosecutor misconduct, you still get executed unless you also prove innocence: it takes undeniable evidence of both at the same time - being 100% innocent isn't enough; being 100% certain that a railroading took place isn't enough, only both together save you from a lethal injection.

But even then I'm not willing to call "terrorist" the state of Texas, or its courts, or its official police agencies. Horrible. Unjust. In desperate need of a political and constitutional takedown - sure. Terrorist, no.

So before you conclude that Greenpeace is a terrorist organization, let's hear exactly what evidence you have for that assertion.

Otherwise, blow off. Just designing the ship moves forward "GREEN work" (your caps) and taking climate readings seems plenty peaceful to me.

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I hope it sinks. I really hate Greenpeace. Bunch of idiots.

The more we destroy the environment, the more we will be forced to use newer and greener technologies. The human, as a being is lazy, so only forcing to do things can help. The last resort is the only way to actually change the thinking of mankind, so being a drug addict hippie is not really helping.

Flouring politicans? Hope that guy will stay in prison for the rest of his life for attempted murder.

Since terrorismm is being discussed. The article mentions the one and only act of terrorism to have happened in New Zealand, and that was by the French government. And when the people who bombed the rainbow warrior were caught, tried and jailed for the murder of the person who died on the ship, France then abused its power in Europe with economic sanctions against New Zealand until the terrorists were released.

let's nuke the whales

It's not that I hate green peace and PEDA and such it's more that they are stupid and annoy me. "Hey guys let's save the whales but first lets build a ship that's "green" and sail it everywhere even though the ship is to f word ing heavy to move on sails alone!" "yay! Great idea!"
Then the Japenese notice how dumb and annoying they are and go kill whales and laugh and make funny faces at green peace.

It's a hybrid...it relies "primarily" on wind, not exclusively.
Good cause....good idea...worth looking at commercially.

The simple fact of the New Zealand incident should be generating a sobering awareness throughout their oceangoing personnel and their occasional rich patron passengers; but I'm not convinced that it did. It's not only the sometimes violent fishery fleets that are the problem, nor the ever-increasing pirate trade. If you get seen by a government when they are doing something they don't want known, it won't matter if it is an allied power of the U.S., a charter member of NATO, nor any other potential identifier of a 'friendly'. All that will matter at that point is raw speed. If you can't get away, you're dead meat.