Iran may not impress us with its flying saucer drones, but the country does at least one thing better than anyone else: Make concrete. Iran is in an earthquake zone, and its engineers make some of the world's toughest building materials, which could conceivably withstand small earthquakes.
Or, as it happens, artificially-induced earth shaking. Like from bombs.
Apparently our own defense secretary, Leon Panetta, is worried that American bunker-busters may not be able to penetrate Iran's deepest bunkers, especially considering Iran's smart ultra-high performance concrete. The Economist explains how Iranian concrete mixers dope their material with quartz powder and special fibers, which allow the concrete to withstand higher pressure and remain rigid even in shaky conditions.
High-performance concrete can be used for plenty of legitimate, peaceful purposes, like constructing safer bridges, tunnels and dams, making stronger sewer pipes and even soaking up pollution. And Iran is far from the only country looking at tougher concrete — a few years ago, MIT scientists studied how nano-deformations in concrete can destabilize it, and examined how silica fumes could improve concrete recipes.
But a special concrete designed to survive shaking could also be used to protect secret underground nuclear facilities from attack. Iran has at least considered this use, having studied their souped-up concrete's ability to withstand steel projectiles, the Economist says.
This is especially worrisome in the face of rising tensions amid "loose talk of war," as President Obama put it Sunday. Here's hoping Iran's concrete will not be put to the test anytime soon.
Anyone else notice how much talk there is of bombing some of Iran's nuclear sites? If you're really going to do it you don't normally give your target so much advance warning. This is not Israel's typical MO. Makes you think that they've got something else up their sleeve.... Diplomacy? Economic Sanctions? Destabilization? Stuxnet? Coalition building in the UN? All of the above?
My guess to your question of having something up their sleeve is stealth bombers that countries confidently have and know IRAN cannot defend themselves against and so this a vocal warning, prior to sound of many booms!
if one doesn't do the trick, drop a few in a series and make a quake wave...10 going off back to back would do it
Here is my knee jerk imaginary response to any country in the future that drops 1 nuclear bomb on another country, whoever you are.
There are 192 members in the United Nations.
I say we create 192 day war or less. Less once we accomplish our mission, we stop.
I say the mostly highly technical capable country, with the best stealthy capabilities, go in and bomb the hell out of the first day. The second day moves to the next country.
We do this, until the very idea of dropping a nuclear bomb, the very premise of the idea for any other country around the world, becomes a useless act.
It would have to be completely conventional war, it would have to be united and it should put the fear in all other countries around the world to the extreme as we could muster!
Drop a tungsten crowbar from orbit
Jean-Claude Van Damme did the exploding concrete thing in Bloodsport. Send him!
it is in the US agenda to go into iran next. than Venezuela. i wouldnt be surprised if they staged another incident.
brick no hit back. "CHONG LEE CHONG LEE". "you break my record, mow i break you"
"religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom"
I am pondering your new quote and wondering how you make such a large and proud response about all peoples religious. I will be more specific; what do you know of me. I am very much religious and for me, I do keep my mind and mind open to all the other cultures, religions, history and current interpretations. I keep myself in no prison.
Oh, my heart is Christian and yes I do still keep my mind and heart open to all that is around me. I personally feel free to do so and maybe even obligated. My Lord made me with this ability.
Science sees no further than what it can sense.
Religion sees beyond the senses.
The stealth bomber comment really makes some sense. Using conventional "bunker busters" like MOAB, you just chip away... because it's delivered in stealth bombers, just work around the clock. They'd run out of ammo shooting at nothing.
... and I'm not sure how motivated the Iranian nuke guys would remain as the plaster continued to fall.
Let's say the US or Israel bombs Iran's nuclear facilities. What then? Go back next year and do it again? Will it become like pulling weeds? Iran's getting close again, time to go bomb 'em. How long does this go on for? Do we keep bombing them until they give up? What if they don't? No one seems to want to think beyond a bombing run even if it's successful. It might be that even with sanctions, political pressure or military action, Iran getting the bomb could be inevitable. I'm not sure what the acceptable or long term solution is other than change from within.
I hope it doesn't come to war with Iran. We've spent enough money, and lost & killed enough people over oil. By the way, what's wrong with saucer drones!
Oh, and @Robot
I apologize for implying that you worshiped Annunaki earlier. I obviously have no idea what you are like, and hold no position worthy of judging you. But I do disagree with your opinion that aliens influenced human history.
-Spouting a fountain of nonsense since 1995-
Pieces of crap americans and israelis. They go around threatening each and every country.
Iran has everyright to own nuclear bombs.
Same way Israel has nuclear weapons Iran can/should have them too.I for once am tired of american propaganda and israel hiena laughings. Having nuclear bombs does not prove anything. Not having them is more problematic.
@intrepidDesign: Simple. We keep the sanctions in place until they agree to let the inspectors in and we can prove that they've given up all attempts at building a weapon. Cost of living in Iran has already skyrocketed by over 40% and will only continue to rise since 70% of their economy is reliant on oil exports. Bombing is a short-term solution that will buy us more time for the sanctions to work.
@highermorals: Yes, because obviously we were sooo ready to go to war with Iran BEFORE they wanted nuclear weapons. Israel has nuclear weapons because they have multiple hostile countries around them that have already attempted invasions. The only country to threaten Iran in the last 50 years (before their talk of a bomb) was Iraq, and they're not in much of a position to invade anyone at the moment. Iran has shown time and time again that they are willing to fund violent organizations for the sake of eliminating Israel and the greatest fear at the moment is that they would be stupid enough to sell a nuclear weapon to one of these proxies. They have not shown that they can rationally work with the rest of the international community, and thus cannot be trusted with a nuclear weapon.
There will only be one bombing but it will involve nukes to take out their nuclear facilites. Israel has sub mounted cruise missles with hyrdrogen bombs that are laser accurate and thats the only way to dig out deep bunkered nuclear facilities.
And after that--the are will be to radioactive for decades to go back in and rebuild.
So no your theory of 'weed' wars is not reality.
alright, I don't understand why they are so worried, the best way to pack the best punch is low to high atmosphere orbit....the momentum alone would create a nuclear size explosion, if that doesn't do it....then drop another...I mean its common knowledge. Its the same idea as the so-called "Rods From God" I think they are just putting this up just to confuse the enemy....
I doubt Iran will ever disapear from the map either. This is what Israel and US kind of wants. They keep on talking about democratic and free Iran but democratic and free countries HAVE nuclear weapons. So yes Iran wants to become democratic and free by evolving weapons.
"The only country to threaten Iran in the last 50 years (before their talk of a bomb) was Iraq, and they're not in much of a position to invade anyone at the moment."
Now Israel and USA is threatening Iran with nuclear strikes which Iran can not counter-threaten. If you do nuclear bomb Iran forget about peace for the next 100 years. I hope Iran will fight back and revenge the strike by any means.
Any idea of a nuclear war, leads to another nuclear war. If the USA or any one particular country responds in defense of a nuclear attacked, it leaves open resentment from another country and the possibility of another further nuclear war will persist. A response to a nuclear bomb attack from one country to another needs a 100% response from the United Nations to establish the fact the planet EARTH will not tolerate nuclear bombs! The response to a nuclear attack needs to echo throughout history as not being tolerated by EARTH!
This is not only a USA problem; it is a EARTH problem.
The issue is here is whether the Iran is stable enough to possess nuclear weapons. Stable being defined as only for use as a nuclear deterrent. In other words if Iran were to build a weapon would they allow a group like Hezbollah access to it or someone crazy enough to actually use it? Obviously Israel does not believe that Iran is stable enough. Iran has threatened to wipe them out. But also most of Iran's Arab neighbors also feel the same way. The result would be a nuclear arms race in the middle east. Lets be honest here. If Iran were only enriching Uranium for medical research they would not build the enrichment facility in a hardened underground bunker in a military installation. There is a military dimension to their nuclear program. In reality I don't think Israel or US want a conflict with Iran or the attack would have happened already. Like some people here already said..... there wouldn't be so much talk about it. The result would be a world wide economic effect.
My issue, is this is not a USA problem, but Earth problem and if the United Nations would stand together, we not only get IRAN to give up their nuclear ambitions, with a 100% United Nations, being united, it then becomes logically conceivable to reduce and eliminate all the nukes from the whole world.
Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD),
It would irrational for a rational society to destroy another society, if they knew in advance it guarantee their own destruction.
So now the whole world has a stock pile of nukes here and there.
So the world needs to take (MAD) to the next level and the only way to do this is to be united.
If a united EARTH stands together for one single goal in a conventional way to eliminate an opposing country that owns a nuke; it then leads to the reduction and elimination of nukes from planet EARTH.
But it takes a 100% United EARTH!
@ Amun-Ra I agree with you but that is in a perfect world. You would need a United Nations organization with some real power. The problem is that most if not all soverign states put their national interests ahead of global interests. I would love to see the day when world stands with one voice on this issue but I doubt I will see it in my lifetime. The best we can hope for is to make sure these weapons don't end up in the hands of a state that considers using them as part of their national interest. Sadly I think Iran is such a state.
If you think that Israel or the US are going to use nukes to do this you are out of your mind.
"Israel has sub mounted cruise missles with hyrdrogen bombs that are laser accurate"
GET REAL! You almost sound like you WANT them to go nuclear. I'm not sure if you grasp the reality of it, but if Israel were to use it's nuclear weapons they would bring every Arab country down on them like a ton of bricks. Not to mention abandonment by the international community for doing something so reckless. The US will NEVER, I repeat NEVER use our nukes in this manner either, the repercussions outweigh they results.
So no your theory of nuclear war is not reality.
Is Iran the excuse?
Time for Awakening
Since 9/11 it's the War on Terror
One "false flag" attack so called by error
Blair, Bush, and Israel had a Pact in store
Their next surprise is knocking at your door
A hidden vile Idea from those who want "more"
will use you and your Belief for the next World War
As "chosen people" gain while Humankind loses
Greed wins not by the swords but by the words of Moses
Daring is to tell you when, better then to tell you rhymes
could not side with either one to get ready for our times
to look beyond and past today to seek for a solution
one only hope is there for you and spells Wavevolution
A new type of Revolution wins with the ultimate weapon
@highermorals...consider a few things. 1-Israel did not sign the NPT. 2-Israel is not threatening to end Iran as they know it 3.The bigger issue at hand is Islam's 1,000 year war with Western Civilization. Most people can't contemplate this. When Iran gets nuclear bomb capabilities, the whole region will turn to crap. How do you think that will effect the USA? In your lifetime, maybe not much. However, your kids and grandkids, as the world gets smaller and harder to live in...it will matter. In the game of chess one slip and the game is over. It's not 1850 anymore, this will be in our backyard soon. I'm not saying you need to support Israel, but at least know the facts behind the issue.
Israel didn't sign the NPT because Jewish people will never again put the destiny of our people in the hands of others. Others who consistently turn a blind eye to injustice, slaughter and inequality which still permeates all societies.
The problem with your logic is that it fails to understand the depth of human deception and desire to control the world and enslave the rest. Religions all over the world do this already by brain washing their constituents into believing that 'all others are infidels' and non-believers are to be put to death. That's peer pressure to the nth power and that's what Iran would do if it had the bomb and no one else did.
America has already demonstrated it is not power hungry; after WWII we could have blackmailed the entire world into surrenduring or we would nuke them into non-existence but we didn't.
But Iran has sworn to destroy Israel and the MUTUALLY ASSURED destructions arguments don't hold in the case of a physically large country like Iran and a tiny nation like Israel because it only takes a couple of nukes to destroy Israel but hundreds if not thousands to destroy a larger country like Iran.
So until people understand that the whole argument they make about mutually assured destruction is false.
Intrepid: Want to bet on that? Israel has no choice in the matter as only nukes can dig out the facilities. You certainly don't understand the paranoia of Jews since the holocaust. I do. Israel has already demonstrated it's not going to work with the USA to protect it's interest when it involves nuclear capabilities--its' why they said NOTHING to the US about striking Syria or Iraq and why they won't say anything to the US about striking Iran with nukes. But they will because it's the only thing that will work.
A 5 megaton nuke like the W88 can dig out 500 feet of ANYTHING per bomb. Three or four on top of each other spaced 5 minutes apart can dig a hole 2000 feet or more down and destroy the facilities completely and make them radioactive so that the idea of rebuilding becomes a mute point.
I beg to differ your wrong and just wait till this Fall I will be proven right.
I fail to get the hatred between Jew and Muslim, but they have been at it for 5000 years or more. Guess they know better than me.
I thought the USAF was working on using old Navy gun barrels to bust these places. Seems I heard that the last test went like 300 feet into the desert.
Good news is that breaking concrete isn't the only way to get at the people inside.
"...The Pentagon won congressional approval to shift $81.6 million in funds to improve the military’s largest conventional weapon, the 30,000-pound Boeing Co. (BA) Massive Ordnance Penetrator, known as the bunker-buster bomb...,
...The Air Force took delivery in September of the first of 20 bombs built to fit in the B-2 stealth bomber. The bomb is six times bigger than the 5,000-pound (2,268 kilogram) bunker-buster that the U.S. Air Force and the Israeli Air Force have to attack deeply buried nuclear, biological or chemical sites. A December 2007 story by the Air Force News Service said the new bomb has a hardened-steel casing and can reach targets as far as 200 feet underground before exploding.
The 20.5-foot-long bomb carries more than 5,300 pounds of explosives and is guided by Global Positioning System satellites, according to a description on the website of the Pentagon’s Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
An Air Force fact sheet says “final system refinement, design and test will be complete in 2012, with additional deliveries in 2013.”
Science sees no further than what it can sense.
Religion sees beyond the senses.
The GBU-43/B MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Burst) bomb is not a bunker buster and cannot be carried by any stealth aircraft. It is dropped out of the back of a C-130 cargo aircraft and is used primarily to intimidate.
Perhaps you were thinking of the GBU-57A/B MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator)