Are We Living Inside a Black Hole?

Reminds me of The Farnsworth Parabox.

So we are in a black hole and our galaxy has a black hole...what if there is the same thing happening in our galaxies black hole and so on and so in to infinity O_o

I knew it!!

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@cholin3947
Well done.

I hope there is still some real-estate available outside our black hole, because nothing is worse then being a day late to the public auction.

I like this idea, looks cool when you visualize it in your head.

Sounds more like early-stage proof of concept math than an actual, practical prediction. Then again, I'm one of those scrubs who doesn't like the metastable non-singularity. You can't just have a near-infinite-density mass ALMOST falling in on itself for (almost) ever, that's just wrong.

But hey, maybe black holes hate thermodynamics too.

That about sums it up. Infinity is what space is. Infinite both ways though so this theory doesn't hold up.....

Lets play 'create a theory....'

One is as good as another....

I take the xkcd approach to this:

"The universe is actually inside of a black hole in another universe."
"Ok. What does that imply"
"I dunno."

@ gizmowiz

Space can be "infinite" without being an infinite plane. It's still pretty possible for spacetime to be limited in its overall shape (like a torus/doughnut), which would allow for this sort of "contained" universe. At some level, it is very likely that there is an infinite plane of higher-dimensional space in which the multiverse at large sits, but even THAT doesn't have to be "infinite" infinite. It, too, could be that handy-dandy folded-in-on-itself shape that allows for infinite freedom of movement, but not infinite dimension.

So really, the nature of spacetime itself doesn't necessarily rule out this kind of theory, it's more just the math behind it. If it's solid, it's possible, and if it's possible, that means that, in the grand scheme of things, it HAS to happen somewhere, it just might not be happening here.

If our big bang were a rebound of a black hole into our current dimension, wouldn't that mean that we were "bubbled" out of a much larger universe?

And further, wouldn't that imply that additional matter could enter our universe if/when the black hole consumes more matter?

If that were the case, would there be any signature of that type of event to look for in the cosmos?

Many questions, no answers--yet.

Precisely. This box contains our own universe.

This sort of thing has been suggested before. The important differences this time seem to be that this (could) naturally explain the arrow of time -a first- and do away with the "Inflaton" to explain Cosmic Inflation -also interesting.

Actually, could this 'Torsion' force have anything to do with angular momentum? I've always wondered if that props-up a black hole. As anything falling in always has at least some angular momentum to begin with.

Since its then amplified by the greatest pull on the sharpest curve possible -presumably- near the singularity, then shouldn't that potential infinity counter the collapse of the singularity? In fact, as for that 'bounce back' I recall reading that a rotation in/of a 5D space would look like an expansion in/of 4D space.

Now that I think of it, I wonder if this is where M-theory affects our universe. IF an extra (5th) dimension existed well below the size of the nucleus it would only matter under these conditions. Then that sudden increase in strength of gravity might actually be predicted already, if indirectly, by the emergence of this "torsion" effect. It would just be angular momentum under a different light...

For another thing, it strikes me that new "Dark Flow" sounds an awful lot like that universal "preferred direction" mentioned in the text.

That was fun. I'm sure the truth is a lot weirder though.

Good news everyone!

I've discovered that our universe exists in a black hole in our OWN UNIVERSE!

Yo dawg, we herd you like black holes, so we put a black hole in yo black hole so u can reach yo event horizon while u reach yo event horizon

We can only WISH we live in a black hole in another universe because then timetravel is possible!!!!

Why? Check out Godel's theory of rotating spacetime. If spacetime is rotating, then the light cones are shifted and CTC's (Closed Timelike Curves) become possible.

Time travel! Oh please, Oh please --- let it be true. :-)

Good news everyone! I've invented a device that forces you to read this in my voice! Also we may just be able to harness the Closed Timelike Curves to facilitate time travel! Huzzah!

@cholin3947 haha yeah
@farnsworth too funny

dudes! - time to smoke another bone!

If universe is connected to some other dimensions, would it make it heavier, like with magnets, when they're linked together or are we living in a giant magnetic field itself?
It's interesting, because we could be only one pole, looking like monopole to us, because spin would flip, traveling trough gravity center, compress and expand EM spectrum in process.
Our magnets are not dots but compacted set of particles, spinning in the same way, depending of their origin. Nobody ever saw how basic magnetic field looks like. If we purpose that a basic particle exist like alpha quark or something, all particles today are winded up and we can't see basic one anymore, since they're all compressed in some matter. Also, if we're talking about the shape of the space, we must take into account everything that exists and has already happened, so if universe as a whole has some properties, they should be formed from some static shape and changed with motion.
Problem is, pieces are separated, so how can the same ones still feel the same movement as in beginning? Universe is spreading, so things should become lighter and faster, due to R2 rule. Perhaps because all those pieces are still connected, spreading apart before our eyes in groups, forming in local gravity fields. Not every particle by itself, patches of them are moving together.
Some parts of us are pieces of one place and others are parts of something else, coupled trough time in a body. Now I'll say something stupid. Is it possible, matter is grown inside an universe, trough coupling of entangled particles?

This sounds just fashionable enough to suck up a big pile of cash, and maybe stick around long enough to generate a few PhD's that will be obsolete two years later when the new improved REAL reality is determined. On THAT day, you pitiful insects will bow to the strange and arcane will of the everlasting, all powerful Loc Nar. After this galaxy bows to the Loc Nar, you will all be turned necrotic and gooey, so you can be slurped up by the newly risen undead zombies. I will be long gone two songs before that time, as I already paid off Hanover Fist.

This headline sounds like a question a 5 year old would ask. The answer is, no, we are not living in a black hole. I can tell, because I can see light.

It is quite possible. However, improbable simply due to the gravitational forces involved with black holes; and yet the universe is expanding.

Uh, no, it doesn't work like that.

@bdhoro87 duh black holes sucks everything in naturally , and what it sucks must come out creating another universe

OMG i love Farnsworth! lmao

Best. Comments. Ever.

Wouldn't this violate a lot of fundamental principles such as conservation of mass and the laws of thermodynamics? As someone else pointed out, this theory would suggest an infinite number of "universes" - if our universe was inside a black hole and we have black holes in our universe, and those black holes have other universes inside them. It's like recursion run amok.

I'm not a physicist, but I was thinking about this the same day this article was posted:

Isn't it plausible that a Universe is created from those supernova explosions which spawn black holes? Isn't that enough energy, isn't that the "Biggest" Bang you could naturally get & isn't that enough raw material to build with?

That would mean that Black Holes are the birthmarks of Universes and Exploding Stars are their parent.

I want someone who is not illiterate in the language of the Universe to find a way to test that hypothesis and expand on it.

if we are in a black hole maybe the entire universe is a black hole and everything we look at through our telescopes is space-'time'. Maybe everything we see is ourselves at different stages in time over all of existence! Like a "donut universe" we see around the edge to see ourselves millions (or more of course) of lightyears in the future (or possibly the past?). Maybe things with a blue shift are things (ourselves/our universe) in our past, and the red shift may be things (ourselves/our universe) in our future.... comtemplate that!

How is that for a crazy theory!!!

Or maybe we should be like Einstein and think as simply as possible while being smart enough to determine how 'simply complex' the universe really is...

No that's not right..
However, because we are so close to a black hole (center of the milky way galaxy) we are at the time reference speed to have a relatively long and enjoyable time on earth that we currently perceive. If we were closer it would take years for a second to past.. Or farther way from the black hole it would take seconds for a year to past. Gravity effects time/space.... gravity reference effects time reference.

Actually Black holes are the direction the universe is going, and eventually all of the black holes will coalesce into one single point, leaving no space or time (space and time is in reference between two points, not one point). Black holes are millions maybe billions of galaxies that have come and gone, billion upon billions of years ago.
Black holes attract matter, but are only slightly attracted to each other. That is why they gobble up and move with matter until none is left then they begin to slowly attract themselves..

One things for certain: Mankind is so insignificant in the grand scheme of things that no matter how much you tie your mind in knots trying to unravel the secrets of the universe that even the sum of all our minds is far too puny to comprehend it all. Space is just too big.

so, are there any rebounding black holes in our universe?

...the F*#k?!
So if we're not living in our universe, we're living in a universe inside a blackhole that is inside our universe?
0.o

wow this is a great theory that actually makes sense. the universe is so incredibly huge, why cant this be possible? i love it

In Black Holes; we search inside them
For Universes upon Universes, ad infinitum
The Whole within a hole
Light within the dark
Infinity in the singularity
Another hunt for the Snark

Hi, In physics we have the conservation of energy theory (matter can neither be created nor destroyed). How does that add up when faced with anti matter annhilating normal matter. It must be degrading into some other base form of matter or possibly seeping into other dimensions, rather than actual annhilation??

A little neo-physics Q&A...

Q:What does a black hole look like from the inside?
A:It looks like a white hole (big bang).

Q:Doesn't this whole concept violate conservation of energy?
A:Like Russian nesting dolls, each 'universe' is smaller than the one from which it was born. Matter isn't created, just borrowed from the parent universe. No violation occurs.

Q:What does it matter that our universe is a black/white hole?
A:M-Theory may actually be allowed some direction to the current useless slop of a state it's in by considering models for this possibility. Whether the results are good or bad for the theory is yet to be seen, but either way it'll bring us yet closer to a grand unified theory.

Q:So you're saying that the multiverse is a sort of tree with each universe branching out into a different dimension via black holes?
A:Yes, I'll bet you $1,000.00 that's the case.

Q:Can we travel to one of these other universes?
A:With what we no currently, no way. Visiting our parent universe would involve literally escaping a black hole. We could get sucked into a daughter universe easy enough by throwing ourselves into a black hole in our own universe, but surviving the dimensional distortion is another matter entirely (don't do this at home).

Cheers!

Black Hole sucks everything right? Then those "particles" that get sucked by the black hole have a possibillity of coming out of the other end since we don't know what goes on inside the black hole. So if the particles to make it through the black hole, than like the universe we know right now, those particles should act same as what is going on here. Particles forming galaxies, which has stars, and ect. Also we can assume that we know at the time of the Big Bang but we really don't know the time before the big bang, it could happened thousands of time. So i think it's a possibility.

hog wash. The reason the universe "seems" to be accelerating is because we are moving away from everything else at the same speed they are moving away form us. Thusly you get a doppler effect when measuing the speed. eventually we will be so far away that the outer edge will "seem" to be contracting but that is the same doppeler effect that we can't figure out now. Stop looking for "excuses" and start thinking a bit bigger. Humans. Bah.

"Simply because your math works out doesnt mean you are right. you could be using the wrong math."

Why - It's so simple a child could understand it...
Of course, the child would, also, be speaking seven languages and mildly telekenetic,.... but, a child none the less.

The theory has left out a couple of things like Hogwarts and Harry Potter.. but, you can't have every thing.

The best theories are unprovable theories.
Since no one else has been able to explain reality as we know it, One must assume that this one is about as good as the others.

A universe of galaxies with countless black holes - all neatly packed inside a black hole. Well, that's just nifty. Especially, if you are a diety with limited space. Kinda like one of those space bag things that can take 17 wool sweaters and squish them down to the thickness of a grilled cheese sandwich with your handy dandy Kenmore vacuum cleaner.

Why keep a universe out where it can run a muck over 18 billion light years or more, when ONE can keep it neatly tucked away up on ONE's mantel.

This theory (could) explain the peculiar behavior of time with your run-of-the-mill, standard-rate space launch and why we hear so little with our radio telescopes of the universe around us.

Of course, if this theory is holding any water at all, then we must also assume that our perception of time itself is skewed. Something as simple as the lunch hour that passes so fast, and the last hour of the work day that often seems to go on forever, might actually be as different as we think they are.

This is wild... where's my doctor?

Interesting!I hope that everyone has a great weekend!

Late Mode...i already his article like months ago
pop sci catch up please lmao

I do have to say, this idea reminds me of the Star Trek: Voyager Episdoe Season 5 Episode 13, Gravity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_(Star_Trek:_Voyager)

the episode had an average rating of 3.6/5...tooo bad

Hmm... or maybe we're interpreting black holes the wrong way?

theories are always good to keep the motion going. black hole is anti m so that would mean we are made of anti m, now wonder how it would be like outside of a black hole, end of brain fart! Yet we dont know nothing sure about the true nature of black holes and where they lead to or which dimension they do present but obviously its a dimensional issue such space bended. Okay funny time travel in a dimensional scale where time even doesnt exist, just limited human perception. Go that way any t travel fan and distance jumpers, nobody can tell or would get shot by dark CIA agencies or by a posessive god.
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I think the evidence for a Grandfather Sun is as follows from a layman's perspective:

Black holes are created by energy from a super nova bending the fabric of space. The first and most abundant particles in space are hydrogen and helium, conveniently made by suns.

It's even hinted at all over science. Carl Sagan suggests that we are "made of star stuff."

I have a feeling it will only be a matter of time before this is the accepted theory of creation.

The proposal that universe may be located in the wormhole of a black hole in an even larger universe is not new. I proposed exactly the same thing over five years ago, both on the UK_Islamic_Astronomy Yahoo! group (of which I am a moderator) and also in a technical paper submitted to the electronic archives:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/UK_Islamic_Astronomy/message/623
http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0607102v1

(See particularly sections 4.1 and 5.5 of the paper). Whether Dr Poplawski's proposal is correct or not, it is NOT original.

It wouldn't be very surprising if that was the case about our universe and other universes. Just like it wouldn't be very surprising to find out that if you shrunk, and then continued shrinking, and then found yourself in a whole different universe.

-On a side note, would people please quit spamming? It ruins the artcle for everyone, and if you want to spam, go do it on youtube.

E-mails have been send to the editor of the Washington Post, the president of Indiana University, the president of the International Society For Geometry and Graphics, professor Theodore J. Branoff, and to its vice-president professor Eduardo Toledo Santos informing that Dr. Nikodem Poplawski‏ so-called theory is not a novel idea and that it has been discussed in several academic papers as far back as 1954. Readers might want to check a paper by C. Ernesto S. Lindgren titled “A MODEL OF A FOUR-DIMENSIONAL ENVIRONMENT” published in the proceedings of the 12th International Conference on Geometry and Graphics that took place in the city of Salvador, Bahia, Brazil, website http://www.isgg.net.

I agree with Skussel remarks. If our universe were a 'bubble' protruding from another universe perceived as a black hole then it stands to reason that there should be an exact center of our universe where new matter is expanding from. If we locate this center then we should discover new matter based on this theory. I would love to see proof of this before I would except this theory.

Hmmm. An infinite universe-VS-an finite universe. Which THEORY makes the most sense?

Something that goes on forever, having no end, is kind of hard to perceive. But then again, I have to wonder, if when you reach the end of an finite universe, do you hear a loud BONK?

Of course we're made of "Star Stuff" Where would you get the stuff to make us, if you didn't get it from the universe?

@TicezyIntelligent if our brains made time then all the people around you that are commenting would not be here,you would be making their comments for them. All the people that are walking down the street or driving by in their cars would be just a figment of your imagination. Time moves by on its own and we have nothing to do with it. Even if there were no clocks in this world time would still go by without or without our brains. Time has been going on before we were around and will still go on after we are all gone. If our brain made time I would be able to stop time and therefore stop aging and stop moving.

"We could tell by measuring the preferred direction of our universe."

I wonder if this might explain the homochirality we find in Earth biology?

I personally don't believe this theory could be possible, the baseline for a black hole is that the gravity is so large that even light cannot escape right? so then how, if we were inside of a black hole, would the massive gravity not cause the universe to compress rather than expand. just a thought.

our pupils are black holes, everythings black holes they store information otherwise thered be nothing

infinate universe dosnt have to mean big it can be infinatly small to, all that it means is that it is infinate within its self

Our universe is a black hole, our life are the events which occur before the idiots created the Large Hadron Collider which created the big bang. This created in infinite number of realities and universes.