Mayan Cave Paintings Photograph by Tyrone Turner, National Geographic

National Geographic has a new feature up today in which they discuss the new finding of a cave in the midst of an unexplored Mayan megacity--a cave with very particular glyphs on the walls. Those writings include charts to predict lunar cycles and other calendrical workings--including a cyclical Mayan calendar that counts many thousands of years in the future. Which means, um, that stuff about the Maya predicting the end of the world is kind of...factually problematic.

The article's pretty great; this kind of calculation room was probably a part of every Mayan city, but it's the first to be found well-preserved enough to examine. This particular city, named Xultún, was "discovered" about a hundred years ago, north of Tikal and south of San Bartolo, two other Mayan cities. The calendar-type charts on the wall of the cave emphasize the Mayan concept of cyclical time, and counts some 7,000 years in the future, which pretty much debunks the 2012 myth (which is itself based on a calendar that shows the year "starting over" in 2012).

[National Geographic]

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the solar event will happen at the end of the year. It will cause a genetic bomb to activate and we will find an object between Uranus and Neptune.

crop circle predicts

On the plus side, the economy will probably go up a few percent, and so many new births. Still, this has already been said, Popsci, this was old before there was an internet.

Well the Maya didn't have to deal with a ruler like Obama either. Obama is a nation killer.

No giz, he's being run. Obama is pure status quo on anything in place before he came in.

Oh yeah. If I see one more 'Mayan countdown myth debunked' I'm gonna start thinkin 'methinks they doth protest too much'.

actually they believed that this earth cycle would end violently and a new one would begin. the same as the other cycles had happened. i dunno bout u given the global climate and the wack jobs running the world i wouldnt be shocked if a few nukes went off on that day.

Or maybe different Mayans had different opinions... or did individual thought begin with our supreme culture? No one pays attention to the fanatics on the street screaming about various apocalypses, but once we dig up a painting from a dead fanatic it becomes popular to believe in it and ascribe that person's beliefs to the entire culture they existed within.

That said, something horrible may very well happen some day soon - between climate change and our own weapons we have lots to fear. Let's not add the opinions of a few people within a culture our ancestors murdered to the list of our fears.

People can freak out all they want, nothing exciting is going to happen...

Besides a lot of dumbstruck faces when the aliens don't come pick them up.

Yeah the sun is more active this year, but it was 11 years ago as well as 11 years before that. The only disaster that could happen is the potential for riots.

Besides, I like how now on this year they find this stuff.
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I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells.

Actually, there are quite a few events that are occurring this year, some of which occur around the end of the Mayan calendar from astrological events to simple things right here on Earth.

Also, there are two ways to observe the solar cycle. One is an 11 year cycle based on sunspot counts while another is 22 years based on the sun's magnetic field changing it's orientation, which makes Earth more susceptible to solar flares. Further, solar maximums vary in intensity.

The current solar cycle is supposed to be one of the most violent in history. In the past, solar flares have caused fires on Earth and can knock out communication networks, satellites, etc. This is not something to take lightly until it passes, especially since there are observations of the Earth's magnetic field weakening...

When I sent this story to HUGE Fraud and Purveyor of Falsehoods, Fakes and PseudoScience BS - George Snoory - head crackpot of the Coast to Ghost AM Liars Club radio show, asking his how he and his frauds could possible continue this December 21st 2012 Doomsday FRAUD, this is what this Jerk wrote me back:

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"As we say in the world of radio……buzz off lowlife"
George Noory
george@coasttocoastam.com

No problem really. It will still sell a lot of T-shirts.

December 21, 2012 I will be enjoying the Christmas season, shopping for last minute gifts and yes looking forward to the days after the 21st and excited for Christmas, family and friends.

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Science sees no further than what it can sense, i.e. facts.
Religion sees beyond the senses, i.e. faith.
Open your mind and see!

Even though these things are happening it won't directly affect us. It's true the sun goes through alot of cycles, but nothing bad happened 22 years ago. So maybe a few satelites will be fried, but...

It's not the end of the world.

I had to say it.
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I like nonsense, it wakes up the brain cells.

I don't want to say "I told you so," but...
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I'm going to laugh when the world doesn't end on December 21. It was supposed to end on May 12 last year, yet did it?

cpwnify I already had a good laugh in 2000 when not even the y2k thing happened.
After a while it gets old and these people just aren't so funny anymore.

I’m still taking the day off that day….and its Friday!!

Here is an interesting side note of the Mayan calendar they have not figured out. The Mayan calendar began over 3000 years earlier than the Mayan culture itself.

Sure it is cool to create a very acurate calender, but why is the starting-point equivalent to August 11, 3114 BCE in the proleptic Gregorian calendar or 6 September in the Julian calendar (−3113 astronomical)? The Mayans culture did not show up until 600 to 900 AD.

It is if an outside influence actually gave them the calendar and perhaps, then the date December 21st 2012 may have a great meaning, but not for the Mayans, but for somebody else!

The history of the Mayans are filled with sky people that live among them and believe too they came from the stars.

Perhaps the sky people will return and live among us again December 21st 2012.

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Science sees no further than what it can sense, i.e. facts.
Religion sees beyond the senses, i.e. faith.
Open your mind and see!

Now lets back up to 3314 BC and travel around the word.

"...We are told by most textbooks that history began around 3000 B.C. in Mesopotamia. This is a generally accepted approximate date for the Early Dynasty period of the Sumerians, the first of several civilizations in Mesopotamia. All the traits of high civilization appeared there almost simultaneously; the wheel, metallurgy, astrology, astronomy, calendars, taxation, bookkeeping, and an organized priesthood. One very important Sumerian development, that archaeologists and historians date to the late fourth mil-lennium (close to 3100 B.C.), was the writing of texts. The Sumerians of Mesopotamia had perfected a means of recording numbers and ideaographs on clay (cuneiform tablets) about this time. Apparently, the transition from pictographs to far more abstract ideaographs did not occur slowly, it occurred quite suddenly..."

I also like to point out the Sumerians believe in sky people and we humans were made with their help.

This link provide one person look at what was going on 3114 BC.

http://www.onereed.com/articles/3000bc1.html

A great many different culutures around the whole world believe in sky people, visiting us and living with us in the past.

Perhaps Dec 21st 2012 is of a time when the Sky People will return and live among us again.

Perhaps as we read in the Christian Bible God\Jesus will return from high on clouds and the world will begin a new and a earthly cleaning will happen again to humanity.

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Science sees no further than what it can sense, i.e. facts.
Religion sees beyond the senses, i.e. faith.
Open your mind and see!

interesting info robot is sharing, specially on the date the last mayan cycle ended: august 11, 3114 BCE.

true, many question why the mayans allowed the present calendar cycle to begin thousands of years before there were even any mayans. it just doesn't make sense! experts put it that the mayan civilization began at 250 AD to 900 AD (though it appears this varies by a hundred or two plus-minus depending on where you get your source).

in april 2006, epigrapher Dave Stuart brought the attention of the world to a mayan writing found on Monument 6 located in Tortuguero, a little-known site in the state of Tabasco, Mexico. translated from a german study made by Sven Gronemeyer, it read:

"7 days 7 Uinals 0 Tuns and 8 Katuns, previously it happened. On 8 Chuen 9 Mak, it was completed for re-birthing*, the pibnaah of Ahkal K'uk. It was 2 days, 9 Uinals, 3 Tuns, 8 Katuns and 3 Baktuns before the 13th Baktun is completed on 4 Ahau 3 Kankin. Then it will happen - darkness, and Bolon-Yokte will descend to the (???)"

it references the end of the 13-baktun era in 2012 with its predicted event - darkness accompanied by the descent of the god Bolon-Yokte, but the prophecy cannot be completed due to damage to the glyphs.

Who is Bolon-Yokte?

The god has an association with the underworld, conflict and war, [6] dangerous transition times, social unrest, eclipses and natural disasters like Earthquakes. He appears at the end of baktuns, assisted at the Creation of the current world and will be present at the next Creation in 2012. Other translations of the name are God of Nine Steps; the Nine-Footed God; and Jaguar-Foot-Tree, because the word bolon or balan (nine) was used by the Maya as a pun for balam (jaguar). The god was seen alternatively as nine individuals or as a collective god.

If this paints a scenario of what to expect (in mayan cosmology, at least) on december 21, 2012, one may ask what could have been the scenario then of august 11, 3114 BCE, the ending of the previous mayan calendar?

According to the Chilam Balam book, which is the book of the Jaguar Priests, at that time, the road to the stars descended from the sky, and the 13 and 9 gods came to Earth.

the mayans tell us that 2012 is a "rebirth" not the end of the world but the end of our current consciousness. we shall rise out of the ashes like a phoenix.

"religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom"

-Killah Priest

I am amazed at some of the comments above about the end of the world. You would think if the Mayans could predict the end of the world, they would have also been able to see the end of their society.

johnr,
The Mayans are not gone. Yes they do not build pyramids lately and they are not on the headline news, but they do live in the Andes of South America and other places of South America. They have been almost wiped out by the Spanish, disease, overzealous Christians, so yes they are shy and live remotely. But they exist very much currently. Research it! ;)

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Science sees no further than what it can sense, i.e. facts.
Religion sees beyond the senses, i.e. faith.
Open your mind and see!

@robot,

wrong.....the mayans are found in central america. not south america. i think you got the incans confused with the mayans lol. plus the spaniards raped mayan women and gave them there last names. so people living in present day central america(Honduras,El Salvador, Belize, Guatemala etc) are basically mixed with native american and spaniard. that why most people that look "mexican" have spaniard last names(Sanchez, Martinez,Fernandez etc). and some "latinos" look arab becuase the spaniards were ruled by the Moors for a thousand years. but that another discussion for another day lol

"religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom"

-Killah Priest

JediMindset,
Sir, you are correct. I was just mentally lumping together middle and south America. Still, last names change, but the people still exist eh. I have watch some interesting documentories and seen many type of Incan,Mayan, Native type people living far from modern civilization, the Andes and wilderness, Amazon and they do prefer the old religions of their land. Thanks for your imput and clarification.

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Science sees no further than what it can sense, i.e. facts.
Religion sees beyond the senses, i.e. faith.
Open your mind and see!

@Robot,

lol its alright. even robots make mistakes.

"religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom"

-Killah Priest

This is another example of an author writing an article without researching the subject matter personally.

The Mayans do not and never have predicted the end of the world.
Like many other long lived cultures on earth, they realized that the earth goes through cycles.
The cycle in question here is the 3500 year extinction cycle.
For some reason every 3500 years the earth goes through an extinction event. Google it. Look at what happened 3500 years ago. The bible began to be written with one of the first phrases about men RE-PLENISHING THE EARTH. Then go back another 3500 hundred, and then another. Eventually you will run into the extinction of the dinosaurs, the ice age, and five other mass extinctions scientist are already very familiar with.
Some extinction events are worse than others. Why they happen like clock work is unknown.
There are theories. However you can google those as well.

The fact is, the earth goes on. It is only a majority of the life on the planet that is due to be wiped out in 2012 which is the end of a 3500 year cycle. This is a good thing. Without the extinction events Dinosaurs would still rule the earth or what ever ruled before them. It makes way for new things to evolve.



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