But check out these awesome concept fighters Boeing wishfully hopes will replace the venerable F/A-18 someday

Futuristic Fighter Jets Boeing's new concept fighter jets would replace the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. Flightglobal

Stealthy military planes like these are still years away — the military probably won’t need new fighter jets until 2025 or so. But if Defense Secretary Robert Gates's words in a speech given over the weekend are any indication, big spending on futuristic fighters might be even farther away than that.

In a speech given on the 65th anniversary of V-E Day, Gates echoed former President Dwight Eisenhower’s caution against a military-industrial complex. He said the military is wasting money it can no longer afford to spend, and that it’s going to stop.

“The attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, opened a gusher of defense spending that nearly doubled the base budget over the last decade,” Gates said. “Military spending on things large and small can and should expect closer, harsher scrutiny. The gusher has been turned off, and will stay off for a good period of time.”

He added that the US battle fleet is still larger than the next 13 navies combined, 11 of which belong to allies, and that in 10 years, the US will still have 20 times more advanced stealth fighters than China.


Gates has already canceled or trimmed several weapons programs, including spiking the controversial $11 billion presidential helicopter, ending production of the F-22 Raptor, and other cuts. He added money to the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program, but said the Pentagon would not fund a special redesigned engine for the planes.

His cost-cutting measures could save about $330 billion, the New York Times reports.

Future-focused plans may also be on the chopping block, as Gates emphasized shifting spending from support services to the direct costs of fighting wars. He’d already cut $87 billion from the vehicle portion of the Army’s Future Combat Systems program, for instance.

Military contractors might also be concerned about a leaner Pentagon budget. But that didn’t stop Boeing from shopping the above photos around late last week. According to FlightGlobal both twin-engine planes could fly either with a pilot or without. The planes would replace the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, which has only been around since 1999. What's more, a carrier-based iteration of the Joint Strike Fighter program is already due to replace the Navy's Hornets.

But with even the F-35-Lighting JSF on the hot seat recently — and the Pentagon cutting funds for more C-17 workhorses — planes like these might be in the distant future.

[DoD, Flight Global]

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I'm concerned about this. I don't personally think the Cold War is starting back up, so I'll agree that a lot of advanced tech is unjustifiably expensive. But while I don't particularly mind Lockheed-Martin losing some funding, realize that when the DoD trims the budget, soldiers, sailors, and airmen can pay the price. It's the reason why many combat troops in Iraq were lacking proper body armor, and the reason why pay is relatively low across the board. I may personally feel the pinch - the Navy has cut back on budgetary allocation for educational programs, which means each unit can offer only one NROTC scholarship a year to someone joining after the start of college. I know that there are higher priorities than that for our defense spending, but I'd prefer to see weapons developers losing a bit of money first - I feel like guys like me need it a bit more.

I think this is a good thing. It's about time our soldiers actually start getting the money they need to fight a war that is happening now, as opposed to developing tech for wars yet to happen

Well I'm glad that Gates knows what China will have in 20 years -- me, I'm not so sure.

Did he forget that we've been fighting a long war, in a far away location. Also, there has been a huge emphasis on systems to minimize injuries and casualties to US troops.

And he better be funding the JSF. Many of our existing aircraft are approaching the end of their service lives.

Maybe some of this stuff is good, but this speech rings of politics.

BTW, what happens to all of the fancy DARPA projects?

I think History will bear out that our guys had faulty equipment due to mis-management by our execs (read Bush Cabinet), and simple corruption (Haliburton). Very similar to what happened at the 2nd world war.

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like this would not have happened under the previous administration

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like this would not have happened under the previous administration

@Blackhawk003: I think it is possible to cut spending and reallocate remaining funds to priorities that will assist our soldiers, Sailors, airmen, and Marines. The key is to determine where they are having the most difficulty and to plan accordingly. Frankly, we are doing pretty well in the air; while replacing our antiquated KC-135 tanker fleet is a clear priority, and buying new fighter aircraft to replace those nearing the end of their service life, I am not sure that we necessarily need any clean-sheet designs. Our existing F-15s, F-16s, and F/A-18s are designed to allow for avionics and computer system upgrades that can keep the designs viable for years to come considering our current air adversaries.

The real priorities are land and sea warfare. At sea, however, again, many of our existing ships are also designed for scalability with the Enterprise and Nimitz-class carriers and the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers particular standouts. On land, however, troop transport, body armor, and personal armaments are in serious need of upgrade. The MRAP was an excellent step forward, but better body armor remains an issue, and the M-16 rifle is starting to get long in the tooth as a rifle design.

We also need to continue improvements to battlefield communications networking; logistics, especially forward delivery of supplies; and, frankly, base pay, combat incentives, training, and benefits for troops.

Not for nothing, but these companies may just go and sell their wares to other countries if their budgets get too tight.
And 10 years is not a long time...China has made large leaps in technology and mass production. We shouldnt underestimate them or their ability.

Still not the point. Fighter planes may as well be horse and cannon today. People fight and scout on the ground like it's the seventeenth century, and then you launch a cruise missile. It turns out that war is incredibly simple that way.

It's sad, because the cool science of war has invariably been in the aircraft. I mean, hell, look at the Skunkworks projects - nothing short of modern myth. I don't think there's anything more incredible than a machine that doesn't even fit together properly until you get it up to supersonic speeds and temperatures.

But, dammit, just keep the funding and pump it into NASA, where we don't waste that beautiful R&D money on killing people in the first place. = )

Oh you dont need fighter planes and cool things like that. Okay well i guess the battle of britain never actually happened and neither did the 8th air force in 1944 or the airwar in operation desert storm...Next thing you'll tell me again that we dont need cannons on our fighter planes.

People keep telling me the U.S peaked in 1969 and its been downhill ever since. Now if China doesnt have it then we shouldnt have it hehe. Pull out from afganistan and iraq soon, save all that money spent on blackwater and all those defence contractors in the field (who are happy to keep this war going) and modernise the fleet of vehicles and planes and get some college kids back in the army.

Otherwise by the time you need people to make those vehicles for you theyve forgotten how - or given up that line of work - and you end up with crap thats only marginally better than what you already have. May as well go to arizona and unwrap some F105s or something.

For years I worked at The Aberdeen Proving Grounds developing and improving weapons systems. Any time we came up with a new rifle for example to replace the M-16, it was shot down, because some politician in Washington wanted to promote his/her agenda by pushing some expensive piece of crap into production and hence canceling the more effective and proven weapon system.

Case in point, that flying turd called the Osprey. It has claimed 34 lives in flight and continues to be a burden because it is not mission capable.

Our troops on the ground need lighter gear, new body armor, more reliable and longer range rifles, new vehicles and new methods of non-lethal force to be able to capture terrorist suspects. The last thing we need right now is another freaking aircraft carrier or another jet costing billions of dollars. The only troops getting all of the goodies are SpecOps which is totally not fair.

I hope Gates does what he says.



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