Before and After Satellite Imagery of Earthquake-Ravaged Haiti Available on Google Earth

google is kinda big about this... good.
This is sad that this happened to the western hemispheres poorest country

Im pretty sure the Dominican Republic is poorer

ggouge, I am pretty sure your wrong and an idiot for saying that.. Haiti is definitely the poorest. Either google it or stay awake in class, whatever your doing isnt working for you.

@mrxchunkylover 200 years ago we were forcing people into slavery for life...and with effort we changed. I'm not saying that they don't have things that are wrong but how can anything change with an attitude like that.

OK That was a little harsh. I realize i was confused for a bit i got my sides of the island mixed up. A honest mistake, you should not use the internet to make yourself feel superior. Im sure you have mixed up your facts every once in a while.

Yes, because black people cause massive earthquakes. Are you mental?

By your racist logic. The united states of America will be a third world country by the time Obama is out of office.
Also What kind of people are we to just sit back and watch this and go well their lives sucked already why do we need to help.
South Africa got out of its apartide. The country is running just fine with a black government.

Your still a racist. The united states is falling apart because they don't even want to help themselves They focus only on money and not on people. The the best countries in the world have universal healthcare and the united states does not want it. They say it will cost to much. If it costs to much why do the best countries in the world have healthcare because healthy people help the economy. Americans need to focus on helping everyone including themselves. They help Haiti because if they did not they would look bad and lose money.
Stop hating eveything and help your own country.

PS. obamas problem is dealing with everything bush left behind. bush knew about the looming economy problems and ignored them. Left it for the next guy.

mrxchunkylover posted:

"You can boo hoo and call me waycist all you want but one must look at patterns.
What pattern do I see?
Pretty much every country run by the Negroe race is a hell hole. Every white person is made to feel guilt for this. It's always "da wyte debils fawlt". We are always blamed for these things because of slavery."

Haha, you see patterns? Do you really? Because based on what you've written so far about countries run by "THE NEGROE RACE" (haha, sorry, that phrase always makes me laugh), it seems that you've only seen one (singular) pattern: You're right, those countries are indeed hellholes.

The mess within these countries is quite a bit more complicated than just "negroe bungling". Demographics show that almost every single one of these countries has a low to very low Median Age within the black populations (even Haiti) when compared to other predominant races in other nations (whites in England, Asians in Japan, etc). This is very important to understanding what's actually going on in these 3rd-World nations because if we examine the reasons for this discrepancy it becomes easy to see that this isn't just a black-exclusive phenomenon and that it is rather complicated

Non-arable land, famine, poor standard of living, weak laws & weak law enforcement, war, drugs, MISEDUCATION (a big one; superstition included), illiteracy and disease all play large rolls in undermining development in Third-World nations, but one factor that is consistently underestimated is low median age as almost all of the formally stated factors can contribute to it. Again, miseducation and lack of education are also huge factors.

I'm not going to write you an essay in this particular post (proofread edit: Doh!) so i'll just sum up my thoughts with the following: When close to 50% of your population is at or under the age of 18, you will live in a hellhole -- A cyclical hellhole of disadvantaged uneducated children raising disadvantaged uneducated children (many in war-torn areas). Where true academic education is not only optional (and NOT mandatory), but also in competition with voodoo mis-education (on mostly young, impressionable minds thanks to the low median age) e.g. if you have an STD such as AIDS and have sex with a virgin, you will be cured or how albino blacks are murdered and chopped up and sold because witch doctors say that they have mystical properties. Where females are literally more likely to be raped than learn to read.

Nations in the Middle East have the exact same problem with places like the Gaza Strip having a median of 16 years old. It’s a perpetual series of unfortunate events occurring over a considerably long time. Don’t have me mistaken -- this IS savagery, but it is a cultural and psychological savagery. Not ‘black’ savagery. I’ve been reluctant to mention slavery but it has had long-lasting indirect cultural effects on today’s society. Although, I think that some significant issues these nations face probably wouldn’t be any different than if slavery or colonization had never happened (The Middle East is good example of this).

The little attention the atrocities committed in these nations receive, generally comes in the form of media snapshots – Gangs of adolescent kids strapped with AK-47's.

To say that you have no sympathy for Haiti is simply reprehensible. An earthquake has nothing to do with race whatsoever. Do you have no compassion for human suffering? Haiti did have its fair share of problems before, but nothing of this magnitude. The people in Haiti barely even have water now. You do realize that those are real people dying, right? Or is this an “Us vs Them” thing. I’m not sure why you feel like black people are sending you on some guilt trip. Blaming slavery is not the same as blaming white people. I guess I could understand it if you meant uneducated blacks in third world countries are blaming “you”, but that shouldn’t bother you as an individual because as I stated earlier, those people are young, poor and most importantly, uneducated. I'm of the opinion that no group of people is truly at fault. Complex, unfortunate situations like this often give people a lot of room to erroneous play the blame game against other people.

Off Topic: Lol. You mentioned the Zionist conspiracy too!? I see now you're THAT brand of crazy. And although I do agree that the U.S. is being controlled by small group of elite, and although I see ‘patterns’ that would give your Zionist conspiracy theory some merit, I'm of the opinion that the small group of elite we're referring to are just bankers (not Zionists or zionist bankers). I bet you visit Stormfront every day and revere Glenn Beck's words as a voice for your beliefs.

As a member of the "NEGROE RACE" (Yeah, I’m black), I have to say that you are pretty funny and I would've given you extra funny points if you had written "NEGROID RACE" instead. Your “Us vs Them” mentality is very telling and your caricature of an illiterate black individual saying "da wyte debils fawlt" is elementary and cute. ^_^

Can you please show me on the doll where the big, bad, black man tried to make you personally feel guilty?

I will admit that there is significant, disgusting reverse racism/ racism going on in the black community towards white people here in The States, but I understand how it happened and how it is perpetuated. I’m also hoping that a counter-culture will crush this corporation-driven, garbage, rap culture.

I respect and have hope for you, though mrxchunkylover. I sincerely do, because your brain just isn’t capable of recognizing complex interconnecting patterns yet. I’ve left quite a bit of my arguments open for you to investigate as an exercise to get better at it. Try to keep an open mind, bud.

^_^

@mrxchunkylover:

Oh, you mean IQ right? Don't feel like you can't say it, dude. I figured you wouldn't even go there as it would just be supporting my education/miseducation argument, but whatever. ^_^

I do agree that there is some difference of innate intelligence between the races. Countless studies show there is a good 14pt IQ gap between blacks and whites. The results are indisputable. The factors for such results are what's controversial. Y'know, the whole nature vs nurture thing. There are many studies that show that kids who are taught to read at an early age tend to end up having significantly higher IQs than children who aren't. I firmly believe that the IQ gap between all races would be much thinner if we could educate this world and sanitize the corrupt, self-destructive cultures. That's just my belief though. Anyway, aren't we living in 2010. Don't we have multiple intelligences to measure now?

Oh, and I wasn't trying to be insulting when I wrote "that brand of crazy". I, myself, am just a different brand of crazy! People like you and I are usually considered to be lunatics by the general population for even thinking villainy is afoot (lol). By the way... Are you saying that encyclopedias of historical and scientific fact have less merit than a conspiracy theory? I mean, you won't even admit that something like famine can undermine the development of a third-world "negroe"-led country yet you are a staunch supporter of a speculative conspiracy theory that has absolutely NO SOLID EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT. C'mon, man. You have to admit that some excuses do have merit. Period.

I'm black and my IQ is ~132. I'm curious -- Do you think that makes me "above average" or an "exception to the rule"?

By the way, I gotta admit, that's an interesting quote. ^_^
However, it's a shame that I have to be the one to tell you that it was debunked as a forgery over 8 years ago... OR MAYBE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT US TO THINK!? >_<

I appreciate and sincerely respect your response, sir.

p.s. Please use the term 'Negroid' at least once :(
(Seriously, man -- It's comedy gold.)

@Rackmore

Why are you even giving this fool the time of day. He is the epitome of ignorance, you have no hope of changing his mind or ending his use of racist platitudes. He might as well be wearing an aluminium foil hat.

On a side note, for some reason when over throws their cruel masters it is a "Pact with the devil" and when we do it's called a "revolution". If you know anything about history you'll know that those who originally rose up against the British Empire in the American Colonies used horrific means of terrorizing both the people who use to rule them (I.E. tar and feathering, which causes severe burns and extreme skin loss) or plain massacre of the American Indians whose land they decided was theirs for the taking.

Adding to the fray between the sociopathic, delusional and frighteningly paranoid Mrxchunkylover and the erudite rackmore, it is my conclusion that Haiti and her people are economically poor because of their reluctance to "assimilate" to the Western culture which now pervades most of the "civilized" world. Unfortunately, this steamrolling MotherCulture obliterates everything in her path, and tribal peoples around the world have suffered for it greatly. We do not all need to be the same! Our standard of values (meaning the technologolized world) will not fit all people(s). The Middle East does not want it, the aborigines of Australia do not want it, the Amazonian tribes do not want it, the now vanquished Native Americans did not want it. But to get back to the issue at hand... to refuse to assist a nation in such dire need because of their race or ideology is as Facist an idea as to ever been had. We should judge ourselves by our actions toward others and offer a helping hand to those who are suffering when and where we can. This is the essence of a free nation and of free thinkers. So let's keep our bigotry and narrow-mindedness on the sidelines and realize that these people need our assistance.

I just now made an account to this website just so i could comment on this. Reading alot of these made me furious. I am not specifically going to point out names becuse every1 said something unnessisary. All i can say is, its time for every1 to stop argueing about this and grow a heart. So what if something bad happened between two countries 100s of years ago. It is time that we all grow up, as a peoples and a society, and just help eachother out. And i dislike all the racist comments above. They are very unnessisary. I cannot stand it when people stereotype a whole race of people. And honestly, what do u really have against blacks anyway. Other people have no right to place those types of comments upon others. I am only 14 freakin years old but i realize, i see deeper into the heart of all matters more than most adults. I am more open to all ideas and i will never EVER place my thoughts too one side of a story when all the information i know about it is biased...so i learn more and more until i can form an opinion for my self based on true-hard fact. All i can say is that the different groups of people in this world need to look at eachother as there equivelants, we are all only human and we all make mistakes. TO PUT BLAME ON 1 SOCIETY AS A WHOLE, IS TO COVER UP THE TRUTH OF YOUR OWN WRONG DOINGS. WE ALL NEED TO REALIZE THAT ALL DIFFERENT RACES HAVE DONE TERRIBLE THINGS. THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN HAS NO MEANING WHAT SO EVER TO OUR INTELECTUAL/VIOLENCE-RELATED WRONGDOINGS. IT IS THE PART OF THE WORLD WE GROW UP IN THAT CHANGES THAT. THE PEOPLE OF HAITI DONT MAKE THERE COUNTRY THE WAY IT IS. CHILDREN ARE BORN THERE TO POOR PARENTS WHO HAVE NO MONEY TO MOVE OUT OF THE COUNTRY, THEY CHILDREN CANT CHANGE WERE THEY LIVE. ALL SOCIETIES IN THIS WORLD HAVE MADE MISTAKES AND DONE HORRIBLE THINGS. IT IS NOT RIGHT TO PLACE ANY BLAME ON OTHERS FOR SOMETHING THEY HAVE DONE TO YOU WHEN YOU HAVE DONE WORSE TO THEM!!!!

all i am trying to say is that it is not right to say that other races in this world are crap. we are all humans. skin color doesnt change anything but the amount of pigments in your skin. it doesnt effect were your organs are, or how intellectually capable we are. To say that another race is less than you is too try to make a group of people seem more moronic and stupid than you...so u dont seem like such a dumb shit. Being a racist is, in most cases, a way to put your own idiodicy on another group. Racism, in my opinion, is a horrible HORRIBLE atribute of our human society today. The people in Haiti did not deserve such a destructive force to bear down upon them. NO1 DESERVES SOMETHING THAT BAD. did innocent Japanese citizens deserve to be NUCLEAR BOMBED!...THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED BY THE HANDS OF US AMERICANS AND WE CALL OUR SELVES A GOOD COUNTRY!...AND THE GERMANS WITH THE HOLOCAUST...JEWS DIDNT DESERVE THAT. EVERY COUNTRY AND SOCIETY IN HISTORY HAS DONE SOMETHING HORRIBLE. IN THE CRUSADES...THEY SACKED THEIR OWN CITIES!!!
just dont be rasist to others for your own country itself has done things just as bad as what you are blaming the other country on.

Dear Grandall06... You are right about many things in your posts, but truthfully, you lack the insight which comes from life experiences when you rant against the reasons for racial bias. And you are way off in your assessment of why the United States felt compelled to use atomic weapons against Japan during World War II. Be that as it may, I applaud your concerns for those poor people in Haiti and hope you will keep your idealistic bent. I'm sure there aren't many fourteen year olds who will stand up to a bigot, even if it is only on paper.

Why are some people racists? Here's my answer: This is a preadatory planet of limited resources. Therefore, every animal, including humans, has evolved with a natural distrust of those outside their group, clan, pack, herd... whatever. This natural distrust is the basis for racism. When there is only so much food; when there are only so many females of reproductive age; when there are only so many safe places to hide and rear your offspring, things can get very nasty when outsiders come onto the scene. Yes, during this evolution we humans with our better brains should have come to realize that race, religion, skin color shouldn't matter, but unfortunately, those ancient patterns of thought are still controlling many people. It's biology, just like the drive to reproduce is biology and why so many men get into trouble (I'm thinking Tiger Woods here). So racism and bigotry are instinctive, biological answers to age-old problems. Not good answers, but gene-encoded answers.

Until the clever ape called Homo Sapiens (us) comes to terms with his more highly developed brain and puts aside those ancient drives which makes us bigots and racists, we will have guys like mrxchunkylover who is a hater of all those different from himself. We will continue to have wars fought over stupid things like religions. We will still covet our neighbor's resources, whether it's water, oil, food, or minerals. We will hide behind antiquated ideologies that make no sense in the modern world. Because truly, we are just one limb up the tree above chimpanzees.

So thank you for your caring words for the people of Haiti. They need every voice and good deed they can get. I suggest you start a canned food and water drive at your school or within your community if you really want to help.

Rackmore - You seem like a very intelligent and reasonable man. And despite me being a conservative independent voter I agree with most all of your comments.

But what I find sad to me is that; it seems likely YOU have not "investigated" Glenn Beck's actual positions and comments enough to make the comment you did about him. Sounds to me like you listen to and/or believe the lies and misrepresentations much of the media, politicians and pundits say about him. IMO most people who actually take the time to actually and thoughtfully listen to his show long enough knows that most of what is said about him are lies or distortions.

So I'd like to suggest/challenge YOU to watch Glenn Beck for a couple of weeks and see if you still believe all that you do about him. Reading your post I bet there's a good chance you will not. So why not "Investigate" and "try to keep an open mind, bud." :)

"Your still a racist. The united states is falling apart because they don't even want to help themselves They focus only on money and not on people. The the best countries in the world have universal healthcare and the united states does not want it. They say it will cost to much. If it costs to much why do the best countries in the world have healthcare because healthy people help the economy. Americans need to focus on helping everyone including themselves. They help Haiti because if they did not they would look bad and lose money.
Stop hating eveything and help your own country.

PS. obamas problem is dealing with everything bush left behind. bush knew about the looming economy problems and ignored them. Left it for the next guy."....................................................

FIRST OF ALL... when you say that the people in the United States focus on money and not people I think you ignore how much _money_ the US gives to other countries for humanitarian issues...(more than any other country?)
Care about people? Sure that is why we are sending relief personnel (people) from every state in the union and most of the dollars that pay for that comes from those damn greedy Americans again.
I find it humorous that so called enlightened people will also blame the former political party when ever possible whether it was Clinton or Bush or "fill in name here". So easy to do when you don't know the facts.

You have such a low opinion of the people of the United States yet you seem to admire the politicians most of whom are lawyers, most of whom pay millions of dollars each election to win a $200,000 a year job as a congressman or senator. There are enough guilty people on both sides of the aisle.
Who do you respect more, the politicians who go on the air and make sure everyone knows how much they care, OR the individual American men and women who use their own (not the taxpayers) money and resources to go over and help?
The only people who typically know about their heartfelt efforts are usually just their family and close friends.
Think about it, then speak.
All of this is of course my opinion only. And sorry for the slight personal "dig" but your opinions will carry more weight if you improve your ability to spell.

@Objectivist.
Yes i totally agree with you. I DO lack insight from experience as you have said.
But you misinterpretted what i ment about the whole US bombing Japan thing. Either that or i didnt write wat i wanted to say well enough.
Wat i was trying to put across was:
The US NUKING Japan and killing countless innocent people was alittle over the limit in my opinion. Why should they have to suffer for the choices of The Japanese Military's desicions. Same with how most of the world hates us Americans (im from Florida). Just because of the Coices George Bush and all the other money-hungry Americans doesnt mean that the world should stereotype all of America as bad people...but they do... All i wanted to say is that our world is in complete disorder cause every1 just h8s eachother. Just those few greedy people out there ruin the lives of Trillions!! (counting the babies born in the future i meen...there are only 5 billion people). And what do they do it for...so they can live there few years of life they have left for the price of the suffuring of all to come. I just wanted to say that Every1 in this world has their wrongs and that if u hate a county for something they did...well yours has probably done something just as bad. We cannot hold a grudge against some1 else and expect every1 else to h8 them and love you. It doesnt work that way. Thats all i ment to say....

Warrendw I never said i liked politicians. I am sorry if i seemed anti-american. I was just trying to make a point to the racist guy, that white people do bad things too. i usually write posts in about two minutes while doing other stuff so i don't really pay that much attention to spelling. I took a lot of stuff out of proportion to make my point. I am sorry if i offended you.

PS. When you compare GNP and Americas charity they don't give the most out of any country. Having lots of money makez* it easy to give away.

I'm not a military person, and am truthfully a pacifist by nature, so I can not speak conclusively about war and the warrior's mentality. However, when America faced Japan we saw an extremely motivated enemy that appeared ready to fight to the very last man -- civilian or soldier alike. We basically knew the potential of what an atomic blast would do from the tests at Los Alamos, but the actual devastation from those two bombs dropped only a few days apart was more than I think even the developers conceived. The entire world was horrified, including Americans. But Japan was flying suicide bombers (kamikaze) into our ships. The fighting on islands like Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima was brutal and the Japanese would not surrender. Even the fire-bombing of Tokyo by American planes, which by the way killed more civilians than the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, seemed to have little affect on the Japanese commitment to victory. So atomic weapons were used and the world changed in an instant. Horrible what man can do.

When I was a kid in the 60s, we saw the Soviet Union as this big bad wolf of an evil empire that sought to turn everyone into communist slaves. They were the Red Menace, and they gave me nightmares, worried about Cuba and China and Viet Nam and all of Europe falling under their heel. Now America --- with our pre-emptive wars, our insatiable greed for raw materials like oil and minerals, and our meddling in the politics of other countries using the CIA --- has replaced the Red Menace as the hungry wolf that strikes fear in the hearts of children around the world.

Why? It's a question that has many complex answers, but the best I can come up with, besides the greed of corporations and politicians, is that our way of life requires a great expenditure of energy to maintain. We have grown to think that this is the only way to live, with all these modern comforts, and we don't want them to stop. So we look the other way or make excuses when the CIA is implicated in wrongdoings, or when we invade another sovereign country and then lie about why we are there. We have turned from being innovators and explorers into fat, lazy, fast food eating parasites. We may still have good hearts in the sense that we give to charities, but overall we are consumers of the worst sort, and I admit that I'm just as guilty as the next guy. So those countries that have less than us are envious. And envy can easily turn to animosity. We've used up most of the raw materials and they know it. So they hate us. We have made a bargain with the Devil, and the time is fast approaching for us to pay up. It won't be pretty. When the lights go out and the grocery shelves are empty and the doctors don't have medicines and people are in a state of shock and wonder how it all could have gone so wrong... that's when we will have to reorganize our society into one that again is driven by pioneers and innovators.

What we see in Haiti today is potentially what we Americans will face sometime in the future. Whether it's from natural disasters or from terrorists who unleash some kind of weapon upon us, or from our own greed --- we need to decide what's really important to us as individuals and as a nation and start moving in that direction. Learn what you can while you can and try to prepare yourself. Life means change, and not all change is good or fun or reasonable.

Meanwhile, have heart and know that your efforts to help those in need say more about you as a person than any grade or popularity contest ever will.

*yawns* interesting comments, but, to quote a comment in another article, Haiti is what the Haitians make it, if the choose to do something with the humanitarian aid, good for them, if not... well it's not the first nor will it be the last 3rd world country.

God... Disturbing images... I'm really sad for them.

Interesting comments BTW.
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