Creationists Vs. Evolutionists (Round, Like, 1,000)

What scientist does not agree that evolution has some weaknesses in it?

What creations does not agree that there are some truths in evolution (survival of the fittest, mutation, or speciation)?

Too many lobbiest making too much money to fight much too hard for language that is way too unimportant to the creation/evolution debate.

this should be interesting. of course, it'll be the same as always, scientists saying proven things, and creationists and christians close-mindingly rejecting everything. I'm an evolutionist and I fully support the scientists here. Kids should be taught the truth, not magic and fairy tales

"the world is roughly 10,000 years old"
The Bible does not say how old the world is; most religious folks just think they know.
The U.S. seems to have a lot more religious extremists then Europe. This is because they left Europe and came here.

More flat earth, earth centered darwinists saying that everything is already proven (dispite the evidence), and there is no need to question the doctrine of Evolution.

Haven't you self proclaimed 'scientists' ever heard of Copernicus? History really does repeat itself.

I become very uncompfortable whenever the term "truth" is used in relation to science, particularly science education. "Truth" carries a feeling of immutability.

If there is one universal concept in science it is that everything changes and that everything is open to re-evaluation. Applying "truths" in science education chains our children be teaching that some things are absolute when we should be teaching them to use their own critical thinking to analyze all topics.

this argument is about as stupid as having 15 people vote on what millions of kids will be taught.

why is it so hard to believe whats in front of our eyes.
You can prove it. when you can feel, taste, see, hear.

I cant feel, taste, see, or hear anything that would make me think EXISTENCE would only be 10,000 years old.

sad thing is, There IS more than one RELIGION, ALL of which date back to different times. most of them date back more than 10,000 years ago. What none scientific proof, proves which is supposedly correct. NONE!! it makes me sick.

I never have understood why this is such a problem. Why can't children be taught about both beliefs? Explain that some people believe in Evolution and some Creation.

Oh, here's an idea...why not teach them what we know about both and then guide them through reasonable, educated debates on the subject. Teach them that sometimes life isn't necessarily black and white, but they can learn how to form their own opinions, conduct rational discussions/debates and ultimately learn to respect the fact that others may simply believe in something different--and that's OK.

Personally, I believe in Evolution or maybe even a combination of both. However, it doesn't frighten me that my children are taught about the possibility of Creation in school. They will make their own decisions and I'll RESPECT whatever decision they make.

"I cant feel, taste, see, or hear anything that would make me think EXISTENCE would only be 10,000 years old."
-good thing truth is not solely based on the senses... it's also based on reason and the authority of those who have more education and understanding in the applicable fields.

The truth is that science should be taught in science class and religion should be taught in church. I don't see anybody saying that evolution should be taught in church. If we teach that evolution is wrong to suit the Christians, then what's next, do we teach that, when we die we come back as cows, or other animals like they believe in India?

The problem is on one side you have subject which needs proof for every statement explained and on the other side you can say any thing(like Santa lives on the moon).
Evolution(Science) is proven theory,ya many things are still not proven,hence those things will be told as theory's not proven.
Creationism is a belief in which any thing imaginable can come into picture,apart from anything it can be misused by people to impart there own belief's,which the Creationist are already trying to do....
This is happening in US i am shocked,And people are commenting on india, where text books and religion are two fully developed fields, not mixed.

I don't think that religion should be forced into state funded public schools. I would be happy enough with known errors to be taken out of the books. Evolution seems infallible because any evidence against it doesn't get put into text books.

Evolution is a theory at best. Not even close to being a proven fact.

If you really want to hear an opposing point of view and real science go to:
http://freehovind.com/watch

You can see a lot of information, streaming online, for free.

The creationists keep trying to generate a controversy. There really is no competition whatsoever between evolution and creationist hypotheses regarding the complexity of life. Neither is there any schism in the scientific community whether evolution is valid or not. Scientific debates are for the scientists, not for the classroom.

1 - there is nothing that is for the scientist and not for the classroom.

The problem is that the education system in place causes blindness and closed-mindedness. People think because they learned about evolution and survival of the fittest in school that it is fact although there is still much work to be done in understanding the true mechanism of evolution. The Christians learn even more absurd tales and feel that evolution is undermining the basis of their religious beliefs and so will fight to keep their beliefs.

You know the funny thing about all of this is that both creationalism and evolution can be correct Im not saying that one is right and one is wrong. Evolution ties things up in a tidy bow but it has some missing pieces to it, with creationalism you have to belive in this world with very little proof but allot of the things that they talk about has to do with the holes in the evoution story of man. In general the theory of evolution is correct but thats not to say that that is correct for human beings the point here is that its all theory and until evolution gets the harder proof wich Im sure it will eventually the creationalists are going to keep this crazy train going.

I would agree with both bdhoro87 and Killer99 here. evolution is just another part of a never ending puzzle. Religions fight and kill over their belief. science can prove evolution. war cant prove who is right.

The most common question creationists ask is where did everything come from?
Like where did life come from,where did universe come from,
how did life start?
This is the point which they catch and say everything above it is wrong...
This type is questioning is not answerable by creationist also,Like where did the creater(god) come from...

Science is a way of studying gods or mechanisms work and origin in a logical manner,religion is a way for man to use this subject for his own advantage..so that he can make groups of like minded people...

Texas,rednecks and bible humping christians. need i say more?

We have gotta get rid of this idea that evolution is "just" a theory. That's like saying that the guy who created the world in six days was "just" a god.

Quoting from dictionary.com:

"Theory, hypothesis are used in non-technical contexts to mean an untested idea or opinion. A theory in technical use is a more or less verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena: the theory of relativity. A hypothesis is a conjecture put forth as a possible explanation of phenomena or relations, which serves as a basis of argument or experimentation to reach the truth: This idea is only a hypothesis."

So while we may use "theory" in common speech to mean "wild speculation," in science a theory is as close to fact as we ever get. Science encourages new ideas, and never declares anything to be indisputable fact.

Gravity is "just a theory." That doesn't mean it's wrong, or that we should tell the kids the whole idea is flawed; it just means that we are constantly studying it and reevaluating our understanding of it.

Gravity is not a theory. Hence we call it the "Law" of Gravity. Evolution, however, is indeed still a theory.

You might want to reread the article if you think the debate it was written about is whether or not textbooks should " tell the kids the whole idea is flawed". It's a debate over whether or not language should be eliminated from text books that admits there are still flaws in the evolutionary theory. In my opinion, eliminating information from a text book goes against the book's purpose. Children deserve to be told the whole story, not just one person's opinions in terms of absolutes.

Besides, if we all believed evolution was a flawless law instead of a theory, there would be no need to study it. There is likely still a vast amount of useful information to be discovered on the subject, and evolutions status as "just" a theory is the grounds by which we continue to search for that information.

Evolutionists and Creationists alike need to get their facts strait. Believing either one to a point of absolute faith is a direct violation of the scientific method. Scientific progress is made by questioning truth, not by zealously defending one belief over another.

That's funny, I thought that the closest thing we got to the truth in science was a LAW, not a THEORY. As in the laws of gravity or the laws of thermodynamics. You know, laws, that infinately testable, commonly observable, chunks of fact that we know. Theories, like the theory of gravity, in no way claims to be truth, just a best guess at the reasons why those laws work the way we know they do. The theory of gravity is hotly debated (superstring, etc), while the laws of gravity are not.

The thoery of evolution is worth of debate. "Survival of the fittest" comes the closest to being a natural law, though even it fails the infinately testable clause.

Science cannot prove evolution, because it was not there. It attempts to free itself from the rigors of testability by stating that it takes millions and millinos of years. I seriously hope that someone has started an experiment to look at in the year 2,002,009AD and see if evolution happened. Even that, however, would only prove the concept of evolution, not prove that it happened.

As man comes ever closer to the point where he can put in a program and print out some viable DNA, possibly mixing and matching from previously created codes, it seems strange at the hostility towards creationism.

I repeat: It's aliens that designed us.

In a few years, we will be able to design similar creatures that may even have better features than we have. I only hope they don't eat us.

BraverThought haha war doesn't show who's right it shows who's left!

All this argument over theory vs. law you people need to understand there is no such thing as law in science. You're talking about infinitely testable hypotheses that have been generally accepted as truth that does not make it a verifiable law.

You people don't understand that infinite testing can never prove a theory to be true - its a logical impossibility. I believe Albert Einstein said "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."

Here's a little thought experiment to prove it: I have a theory that I am immortal. I can set up a perfectly scientific experiment to test my hypothesis - and the end of each day I record weather I'm alive or not. Each day that passes is more proof that my theory is true, because I haven't died. We all know where this ends right? Eventually on the day that I am to die, based on my entire life's experimentation I will have the strongest belief and the most proof that I am actually immortal.

That's the basis for the logic that says in the scientific world, we do not ever say anything is a proven fact or law - there are only widely believed theories that have little to no evidence suggesting that they are wrong.

Here is a list of quotes the Texas Board of Education should ponder.

For a list of all the ways technology has failed to improve the quality of life, please press three.- Alice Kahn

It's easy to be stupid... ignorance takes absolutely no effort. - Tim Wall

Convinced myself, I seek not to convince. - Edgar Allan Poe

There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge. - Bertrand Russell

To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge. - Benjamin Disraeli

If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can solve them. - Isaac Asimov

Knowledge is power... and the government holds the key. - Tim Wall

Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to acquire it. - Samuel Johnson

None are so busy as the fool and knave. - John Dryden

To sell a product or service to the masses, one must be convincingly less than honest. - Tim Wall

Don't you wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence? There's one marked 'Brightness,' but it doesn't work. - Gallagher

Tim Wall
President
Humanist Society of Southern Manitoba

www.canadianwinkler.blogspot.com/

Truly, debates are endless. In the end, is it all about the truth?
A person can be religious and scientific at the same time as much as a non-believing scientist. Perhaps the idea of science converging with religion seem strange because of the unavailability too see religion NOT in christianity.
And oh, how about a person who had an immutable religious experience? You're gonna say yeah, he had a hallucination or something. Yeah... that's right. Aren't we living in a world full of electrical signals with nothing but the fat in our head giving the only perspective?
If we can't synthesize a proper protein for a cell in controlled conditions, how could chance make it right?