You know Mexican drug cartels are responsible for terrible violence south of the U.S. border, but the groups have plenty of people in the U.S., too. A new map of cartels' influence in the U.S. shows that they even run large grow-ops in the west, as far north as Oregon and Washington.
The map, from the National Post, uses data from the National Drug Intelligence Center (which closed in 2012), the National Seizure System and the Justice in Mexico Project. Cartels appear in nearly all states, where they often work with the gangs that sell drugs to final consumers. Cartel presence is most common in cities along the U.S.-Mexico border and on the East Coast between Boston and Washington, D.C.
Demand for drugs in the U.S. is rising and Mexican cartels are ready to supply them, the National Post reported. That supply comes at a price back home. Below the map, graphics show the numbers of deaths in Mexico associated with the cartels. Visit the National Post to see the entire map.
Put cartels out of business in the US, legalize marijuana.
Oh yeah, the mexican cartels will just go back to being peaceful, law-abiding civilians all right. Yup, out of business. (sarcasm)
The cartels will always be willing to smuggle and sell some even-more-dangerous drug that we do not want to make legal. But legalizing the drugs that are not dangerous will reduce their market.
This is an example of what happens when you try to ban something that has demand in the free market and is a cautionary tale for those who want to ban guns.
I don't do drugs and never have, but we need to pull this industry into the light. Americans are funding terrorism in Mexico and the only way to reduce that funding is by legalizing drugs.
The map is wrong.... Birmingham is in the wrong place. Atlanta is too far south... and Jackson is too west ... I hate it when people can't even get things right like that ...
Legalizing marijuana will not magically make our problems go away,and it more than likely will not even reduce the amount of money our country spends on drug enforcement. Here is my reasoning for this argument;
1. Prescription drugs are the second most abused drug in our country and is predicted to soon take over marijuana abuse. So even our 'legalized' drugs are running rampant. Plus the cartels know the popularity of the prescription drugs so they are now starting to pump out their cheaper alternatives which undercut the street prices of the real tablets you get from the pharmacy. If we were to legalize marijuana it would eventually be just like cigarettes and taxes on the product would become so high, that it would be easy for the cartels to sell their product for cheaper.
2. Even places that have legalized drugs like Amsterdam, still spend a lot of money on the enforcement of drug related laws. Amsterdam actually has the highest per capita arrest rate for drug related crimes in Europe. So even the poster child of drug legalization is still riddled with enforcement costs of the laws they have related to those legal substances. Just like we do, when it comes to the enforcement of the laws we have related to alcohol, tobacco and prescription drugs.
Sorry for the rant, but the two comments above about legalization are frankly people wearing rose colored glasses. The war on drugs sucks, but at least it means we aren't giving in to organizations that have killed about 40,000 people in the past couple years, just to improve their profit margins.
During the probation years, the legal system was paid off or threatened and violence surrounded the illegal activity.
Nothing has changed for pot and all the other illegal drugs.
Now, I prefer keeping a closer eye on big brother, since he often has problems not doing his job in the first place, (not balancing the budget, spending off excess funds from social security for special projects, etc...) Legalizing drugs just gives way to drug lords followed by the addiction of the users feeding the drug lords more money and ruining the drug user lives with addiction.
The war on drugs should include watching and managing big brother as well as the drug lords!
Oh, USA government, stop selling or making legal to sell automatic weapons to 3rd world countries, unless directly to their military, not citizens.
Its grown in America, sold to Americans, and consumed in America. So lets start calling them American drug cartels.
Here's an outlandish idea that might actually work - DON'T smoke pot. It's what I do. And I sleep very well at night knowing that I don't fund mexican terrorists, and that I don't have the blood of their victims on my hands.
All quite misleading, to say the least. In the first place, the referenced article has only one brief mention of pot farms, and that is pretty vague. Hardly a good basis for a big headline.
It talks more about Mexican-grown marijuana. Just to bring the editors and everyone else up to date, medical marijuana has been legal in California since 1996, any adult can get a medical marijuana recommendation, and there are (by various estimates) more than 1,000 stores selling the stuff in California on a daily basis. An average store might go through a couple of pounds of marijuana per day, so you can do some quick math on how much mj is being produced just for them.
There really is no question that the vast majority of the marijuana sold through these stores is produced by good, law-abiding (mostly), tax-paying, US citizens not much different than any other working citizen. They just happened to have recognized that growing mj can be a lucrative profession when drug policies are as stupid as they are. They are American entrepeneurs.
The owners of the dispensaries are good old traditional American entrepeneurs themselves. They know that it isn't good business to deal with bad guys, so they buy all of their stuff from people they know and like. Would you want to do business with people who settled their disputes with AK-47s? Neither would the managers of the dispensaries.
As for Mexican weed, a guy I knew ran into a good deal on a few pounds of it a few years back, for a few hundred a pound. He figured he couldn't lose money, selling it retail. He quickly found out that he couldn't even give the stuff away. His friends didn't even want to smoke it with him for free. Some of them were growing better stuff themselves.
If anyone wants to make it in the California marijuana market, they are going to have to have good quality stuff. That means indoor grown (because consumers really can tell where it was grown), with good color, aroma, and neatly trimmed. Consumers in most dispensaries won't even look at Mexican weed.
In addition, most dispensaries already have a good list of suppliers that they know and trust so, if a new seller is going to get in the door, then they will have to be a person that the managers can be comfortable with from the get-go. That means someone much like them - no bad guys.
If someone wants to test these ideas of who is really producing and selling this stuff, it is really simple and you don't have to resort to hypotheses based on anecdotes.
Just set yourself up as a dispensary in whatever locality you choose, and advertise that you are open for business on the various internet sites where such things can be advertised. In short order, you will hear from a steady stream of people offering wholesale quantities of various marijuana products of innumerable varieties. If you arrange to actually talk to the people offering these products, you will find that they are almost exclusively standard US citizens, living in neighborhoods similar to yours, and some of them may have even gone to the same high school you did.
That's the effect of marijuana legalization. America has, by far, the best marijuana growers in the world. There is simply no question that they, like the California wine growers, produce some of the world's best products.
California, for various geographical and climate reasons, is probably the single best place in the world to grow it. If marijuana is legal, California farmers will dominate the market, just like they dominate the wine market. That is what has already happened in the dispensaries.
Mister Thomas said:
"Oh yeah, the mexican cartels will just go back to being peaceful, law-abiding civilians all right. Yup, out of business. (sarcasm)"
Yeah, some of them are genuine bad guys. So why do you think that genuine bad guys ought to get a multi-billion-dollar monopoly? Al Capone was bad. He got worse when he got a monopoly on alcohol.
Mister Thomas said:
"Here's an outlandish idea that might actually work - DON'T smoke pot. It's what I do. And I sleep very well at night knowing that I don't fund mexican terrorists, and that I don't have the blood of their victims on my hands."
Or . . . just buy from any of the many dispensaries in California, or Colorado, etc.. Buy American! Support your local farmers!
For everyone's benefit, let's try some basic background info on why some drugs are illegal in the first place. It isn't what most people naturally assume.
Marijuana was originally outlawed for two major reasons. The first was because "All Mexicans are crazy and marijuana is what makes them crazy." The second was the fear that heroin addiction would lead to the use of marijuana - exactly the opposite of the modern "gateway" idea.
Only one medical doctor testified at the hearings for the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937. The representative of the American Medical Association said there was no evidence that mj was a dangerous drug and no reason for the law. He pointed out that it was used in hundreds of common medicines at the time with no significant problems. In response, the committee told him that, if he wasn't going to cooperate, he should shut up and leave.
The only other "expert" to testify was James C. Munch, a psychologist. His sole claim to fame was that he had injected mj directly into the brains of 300 dogs and two of them died. When they asked him what he concluded from this, he said he didn't know what to conclude because he wasn't a dog psychologist.
Mr. Munch also testified in court, under oath, that marijuana would make your fangs grow six inches long and drip with blood. He also said that, when he tried it, it turned him into a bat. He then described how he flew around the room for two hours.
Mr. Munch was the only "expert" in the US who thought that marijuana should be illegal, so he was appointed US Official Expert on marijuana, where he served, and guided policy, for 25 years.
The stories of the other drug laws are just as ridiculous. In short, the drug laws were absolute lunacy, proposed and passed by lunatics, with no real awareness by Congress of what was even happening at the time. If you read the transcripts of the congressional hearings, the most common question is "What is this stuff?" They didn't even know what they were voting about.
You can read the story of the marijuana laws - with links to orginal source documents like the full text of the transcripts of the congressional hearings -- at http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/History/whiteb1.htm
@MisterThomas "Here's an outlandish idea that might actually work - DON'T smoke pot. It's what I do. And I sleep very well at night knowing that I don't fund mexican terrorists, and that I don't have the blood of their victims on my hands."
That's very short-sighted. People, like alcohol, are going to continue to use. In addition, are you advocating that people like Rosa Parks should just shut up and follow the law, regardless of how much an injustice it is?
wm97ab well said
Vapur9 you're on point as well.
Too many people blindly believe what the government tries to sell them, because hey, they are the government. Its not as if its full of corrupt officials, embezzlers, and regular people out to satisfy their own personal agendas.
-Sweaty, you provide a valid counterpoint, however you are missing one crucial concept that wm97ab alluded to above. Should marijuana be illegal in the first place?
I'm all for drug enforcement. Drugs can and will make people do desperate things, however to blindly uphold a law that is more than 100 years old, with all impartial, empirical data proving to its relative harmlessness and extraordinary medicinal benefits, that is shear foolishness.
-12 Like most other people you are missing the point. The object is not to legalize all drugs and let people run around all wild terrorizing the place. The question is should marijuana be classified as a schedule 1 drug. It in no way meets the requirements for a schedule 1 drug, so why is it illegal?
Also you said, "Oh, USA government, stop selling or making legal to sell automatic weapons to 3rd world countries, unless directly to their military, not citizens." I truly hope to god that you were being satirical. From the sounds of things you want to keep weapons out of the hands of the people, and give them to dictators, tyrants, and other murders who bullied their way into power. Its not like your own country was founded by an honest citizen enforcing his 4th amendment... seriously, pull your head out of your a$$.
Oops, I meant the 2nd amendment, not the 4th. Still valid though. Whats the old saying, "A government for the people, BY the people."
Don't smoke pot, great idea!!!!!!
To make a choice to be good to myself and
live a healthy life style.
It is so simple and crazy, it just might work.
-Wonder- You, like so many others, have been duped by the lies that the government has been selling about the harmfulness of marijuana for the last 110 years.
"To make a choice to be good to myself and live a healthy life style."
That is my goal in life, to live well and be healthy. I exercise and eat a healthy diet.
I also READ. As in any non-government funded research program will tell you, marijuana is GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH.
There are hazards. If you inhale burning smoke of any kind it can do damage to your respiratory system. However, smoking, eating, or vaporizing the THC and more specifically the CANABANOIDS, confers many health benefits. Not the least of which are anti-carcinogens, which help clean out your respiratory system. (Yes, it actually helps cure the small damage it does do)
The PROVEN health benefits compile a long list, such that they can replace many over the counter proscriptions. Synthetic medications that carry huge laundry lists of side effects, something marijuana does not.
To make a good choice you need to have all the information available. If you look at the science, you might just realize how ignorant you truly are.
SMOKE pot, great idea!!
To make a choice to be good to myself and live a healthy life style.
It is so simple and crazy, it might just work.
I jog tonight 5 miles in 30 plus minutes.
And you are suggesting I should smoke pot,lol,
Thanks, ROFL..... ha ha... you funny.
Every morning before work I go outside and run 5 miles. It might have something to do with the large joint I smoke before hand, I only achieve 10min miles. Although I am comfortable with that pace and believe a 50min run with a 5min cool down to be an effective way to start the day. After work, 3 days a week, I use free weights and strength training exercises. Alternating that 3 day is another routine where I run on the tread mile for 2 miles. I use this time to improve my speed on the mile. None of which I begin until I smoke a large quantity of pot.
Inhaling any smoke causes damage to your respiratory system. Luckily marijuana contains anti-carcinogenic properties that help offset this damage, as well as help fight against all those pollutants you inhale as you run around the average city. Pollutants far more toxic than pot.
So yes, I am suggesting you look into the science, not just the rumor mill.
There are many that came up here to work and did-out in the forests. After Mt. St. Helens came the Spotted Owl, and many of the jobs that were done by limited numbers of generational people then got done by many more numbers of alien and illegal alien workers. Now those people, if inclined towards crime, are using the lands THEY know firsthand for organized crime activity. Once again, this is not new. Eastern Washington used to be the No. 1 drop point on the coast for dope, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had moved west of the mountains in years since, just as the people that were working Eastern Washington have. Oregon's problems are similar, but add the twist of the coastal drop points.
Of course, we really don't like to talk about the real of this from the supply side. That would mean that we'd have to recognize stuff like the competition between the recent mainline connection of US and Afghanistan heroin/pot and the more traditional South-of-the-border or Golden Triangle heroin/pot. Ollie North's pals from down south are getting restless, knowing that Uncle Sam's trying to squeeze a different rock. They know they must expand or die. If they can grow the pot here, they only have to transport coke and heroin-the meth they make anywhere, but a lot of it is probably out in our forests too.
Why they have to be greedy and refuse to settle for their trillion dollar a year niche market in cocaine is beyond me. People seem to want all they can provide, where both pot and heroin have peak flow.
1 Trillion Dollars spent on the "War on Drugs" since the term was coined
4 decades ago.
Who has that money gone to ? Prisons, overtime for law Enforcement, technology such as night vision, weapons, helicoptors. Bail bondsmen, lawyers, etc.
It is a huge industry. Fighting drugs is almost as big a business as selling drugs.
I say legalize pot, tax it and focus on meth and prescription abuse. Fund and encourage treatment for abusers.
If legal, people can grow their own and take the profit out of the equation. Personally, I haven't been high in twenty-five years, so I have no horse in this race except my wasted tax dollars.
The two groups that most strongly oppose legalization are the two groups who are making money from it staying illegal.... the justice system and the cartels.