In a frigid lake some 65 feet below Antarctica's icy surface, NASA scientists and their partners from the Desert Research Institute in Nevada and several other institutions have made an important discovery both for our understanding of life on Earth and for the search for extraterrestrial life. In the briny depths of Lake Vida, an oxygen-free, nitrous oxide-rich saltwater body buried underneath Antarctic ice for millennia, the researchers have found a thriving colony of bacteria. This, in an environment that would instantly extinguish most life.
Despite the cold (it averages 8 degrees below zero) and lack of sunlight, as well as the extreme isolation and high salinity (six times greater than that of normal seawater), these bacterial colonists survive, and apparently have been surviving for some time. Previous studies of Lake Vida suggest the icy habitat has been isolated from the surrounding environment for more than 3,000 years, making it an excellent analog for the conditions that might be found in the subsurface environs of Jupiter's moon Europa or Saturn's Enceladus.
Studying these bacteria and the processes by which they sustain life in such harsh environments could lead to better understandings of how life might survive (or has survived) on planetary bodies aside from Earth. For instance, geochemical analysis of the bacteria found at Lake Vida suggest that the brine and the iron-rich sediments blanketing the bottom of the lake share in a chemical reaction that produces nitrous-oxide and molecular hydrogen. That hydrogen may be what provides energy to the life cycle that exists there--a mechanism for supporting microbial life that isn't well-understood but could underpin ecosystems elsewhere in the universe.
More on this over at NASA.
Do any of you know of a method by which non-living material has been shown to turn into a living cell?
If not, then how do you even begin to talk about the probability of life being found outside of earth no matter how similar the conditions may be?
This should be a site dedicated to science, not mythological speculation.
You argument\whine in reality should be with NASA as this article is from the link they provided.
Just so you know, I am on NASA side and less to you above point.
Bagpipes, everyone is done talking to you. Just stop posting.
PopSci posted the article, true NASA needs to shape up. But if PopSci is about science, then they shouldn't re-post pseudo-science.
Why? Because I stir the pot of your religion? And point out you are confused what science is?
Life on another planet does not necessarily imply life began from non-life and an absence of a creator. There are theories that life did not originate on Earth, but was delivered by asteroid. The same could easily by true for Mars. It must be hard when your creationist myths are crumbling all around you, but there is no need for you to make them crumble any faster.
What is my religion, Bagpipes? Is science a religion?
Ok, god did everything, the universe is 6,000 years old. Happy?
Looking a little off the center of this picture in the article, the center mountains appears similar to a Mayan God or King, coincidence or is this another man made monolithic carving?
Posted: Mar 15 2008
Discovery of the temperature Cold – but first
I just watched a documentary on Ice worms the gist being that black worms have showed up living in glacier ice. It is a mystery to researchers as to how these worms can maneuver in solid ice. I have the answer – but first
Last spring having my outside coffee I noticed worms about the same size as shown in this documentary. The bottom part of the worm was wound around the top of a blade of grass. The upper part slowly waved as if to be enticing a bird. These were not black but ivory with a black dot for a head. A strange thing happened one worm was changing its color. It produced equal black segments through out the length of its ivory body then the ivory segments turned producing a black worm. (I do have a specimen)
My take on the ice worm is that as a million years of ice melts, light is having these prehistoric worms changing color awakening from some type of hibernation.
A simple phenomenon is the temperature Cold. All cells, quarks, nuclei, blood, earth etc produce cold from their poles. We see this on our planet what we don't detect is the cold from the poles of say a skin cell. The ratio of cold emitting from cells is so minute as to go unnoticed except of course the big cell Earth.
Every cell has a nucleus with orbiting bits of itself (nuclei) and individually con zillions of these are in harmony with the cell until a reaction causes the particles to repel one another. Individually these particles have the same energy as the parent two poled cell. Now you will notice the cold being produced.
As an example take an air cell and cause a reaction! OK just blow on your hand.
Blow on your hand, the air will be cool.
Have you noticed our spring and summer to have been cold? Oh I don’t mean temperature wise, it’s been a balmy seasonal, “ask anyone” nice year. No I mean cold, cold, like when the weather man say’s it’s a balmy 22 degrease and your chilling in the breeze. Well you really are, and I’ll try and explain it this way. ---
Man discovered that temperature interacted with mercury and the thermometer was born, I know, I know this is not making sense but hang in there. The house is hot as heck so you have a fan cooling a room. Coming from the hot bathroom it’s refreshing to get back to your cooled room. The thermometer taken from the bathroom reads 40 degrease and now in the cooled room reads 38 degrease. Next day (hot as heck) the bathroom reads a hot 38 and the comfortable room with fan reads 36. Ok now this is my discovery. ---
The fan in the room is causing a reaction that has air cells chipping, in other words that one cell that produces cold from its poles is now producing cold from the co zillion poles of it’s chips.
Because Forces of Equal Evolution act Upon Forces of Equal Evolution the cold producing chips or molecules of air do not interact with the mercury of your thermometer. This explains the mystery of wind chill.
As for the ice worms -- The interaction of black and light is causing a reaction that has the many cold producing nuclei of the expanded water cells to collapse thawing the ice. As the worm leaves a thawed area chips of the water cells nucleus are influenced by AURA of surounding ice to again repell producing freezing. This leaves the impression that the worm is moving through solid ice.
Now you know why it takes so long for your snow bank to melt!
PS: In this ice worm documentary it showed under magnification the worm within the ice berg spitting out something. It was assumed that what was being spat melted the ice allowing the worm to move.
"They were studying the wrong end" the worm was just doing what comes natural.
Thank you for taking me on a nice bunny trail. ;)
Why do you continue to post here if you don't like the popsci articles? It seems like a simple solution to me. If you don't like what you're reading, then stop reading.
It is stupid to really try and disprove science with religion or religion with science. There is no solid evidence that God/Allah/Yaweh(YWH)(they are the same person, simply different names) doesn't exist, nor that he created the world. The information provided by the religious texts is full of enough ambiguities that one cannot possibly completely disprove anything. For instance no one knows what the exact length of the first seven days were (Genesis), and the belief is that God is all powerful. If that is the case then it is possible that he created the world 6,000 years ago, and simply left evidence of a time that would have existed before the creation, such as, light from stars, fossils, the size of the universe, and background radiation. The religious texts simply don't provide enough information to attempt to prove science wrong, nor do they provide enough information or specific statements that can be proven wrong.
Looking again at the Mayan God\King face in the center of this picture, it like the mountains on the left were cut and moved left and the mountains on the right were cut and moved right.
This is one wondrous monolithic carving!!!
Amazing Really! WoWzers!
I actually Google map\satellite display this location and it really does look like a Mayan God\King carving on a monolithic scale. This is so COOL!
I'm not confusing religion with science.
The issue of origins is not within the scope of science. As the scientific method cannot be applied to events in the 'un-recorded' past.
You can't talk about where we might find life unless you first talk about how it can form in the first place. We have one example so far, earth. You can't talk probabilities, unless 1. you have more examples, or 2. you know a process by which life can form at all.
With 1. not being an option, that leaves 2.
And every attempt at 2 has been struck down by the scientific method.
So why are we saying that exo-life is an area of scientific research?
Bagpipes - take a deep breath.
(1) This is life on Earth in an extream environment. This interests people because it is (A) really cool that life can survive in such places and (B) extend the limits of what we call life.
(2) Space is big and there is a lot of stuff in it. What there isn't is Earth #2 floating nearby. So, if there is life to be found in space anytime soon, it will be found nearby. Most of the places nearby are less that friendly to life as we know it. Thus, seeing life in places once thought unlivible shows us what life might look like in other places that seem unlivible.
(3) Life in space has a 0% chance of mattering at all to religion, evolution, or abiogenesis. There is life in outer space that we KNOW of - because we put it there. So, if we land our Ice Borer on Europa in 2120, and dig down to the frozen sea - it does not prove that life (A) did or did not begin on Earth, (B) was or was not intellegently designed, or (C) anything else other than the fact that life currently does exist there.
(4) Thus, exo-life is not a science, but it is a science derived philosophy with respected scientist on both sides. (Lovelock, for example, has repeatedly argued that life is a planetary phenomenon and would not be able to survive as a trace without creating world-wide atomosperic change to the biosphere).
Where do you think life came from, Bagpipes?
I just put .75 cents in the coffee machine and drank the cup of coffee. I am alive as I type this, so life must come from the coffee machine, lol.
If these device are powered off say 12,24 or 36 vDC, it be great to hookup with solar cells. These new lights are awesome!!!!
Ooops, drat those internet explorer tabs again. I meant to post the above comment else where.....