Signals From the Void

I've always found black holes amazing. The fact that gravity becomes so strong that not even light can escape it to be more exact. Even more amazing is the "singularity" proposed to be at it's center. If gravity is acceleration wouldn't the fact that light cannot escape be evidence of that light being accelerated past the speed of light. Perhaps describing it as a singularity is easier than explaining what happens when the cosmic speed limit is broken. Or maybe it isn't as hard as it seems?
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Black holes are the swiss cheese of the cosmos slowly turning itself outside in, to another cosmos! It not that we can not see the light leaving the black hole, but the light actually being redirected to another reality!

Oh not to forget. In the other cosmos, all the scientist are busy trying to prove that 'light matter' really does exist and is what most of the cosmos is made of, but no true light matter has been found as of yet.

Perhaps the light matter you refer to is actually dark matter and the other cosmos you refer to is really just hidden within our own.
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RnW,
You discovered my little topsy turvy inside out reality, lol. You win a cookie, take care. ;)

so help me understand this... If energy cannot dissappear, then doesnt that mean that the light has to go somewhere? Or does it stay in the black hole? sorry for the lack of knowledge, but asking is eventually knowing!!!

you know, i honestly believe science is like religion, everything is speculation, everything in science is a theory.

Technically, nothing ever reaches the singularity, or the center of the black hole. If the theory of black holes is correct, then as you get closer to the black hole, time slows down. Also note that the singularity is a single point in the center of the black hole, dimensionless (except for mass). So, as you get closer to the point, time slows down further, gravity pulls more, and as you fall even closer, time slows down more... So, when you reach the singularity, you theoretically should have spent an infinite amount of time to get there.

But onto the question:

"If energy cannot dissappear, then doesnt that mean that the light has to go somewhere?"

As stated above, the light can NEVER reach the singularity! That means it is always a certain height from the center, which we can call "h". When it is that distance away, the potential energy it has is -G(M*m)/h, which is
-6.67300*(10^-11)*(m^3)*(kg^-1)*(s^-2)*(M*m)/h. Though the gravitational constant is small, and the mass of a neutrino is also small, h gets closer and closer to zero as you approach the black hole, and eventually it becomes infinitely small, which means the potential energy becomes infinitely large...

Anyways, you get my point. The energy is still there, in a different form and *****TRAPPED IN TIME*****. So yea. That's my little spiel.

Sources: AP Physics BC, Research Project on Black Holes

Trapped in time. But what time? Isn't time its own dimension? One we pass through at a rate relative to our speed through space. Being trapped in time couldn't the energy(information) interact through gravity though hidden across time in a manner that only weakly interacts if at all with our own relative frame of reference?
On another note isn't a singularity with infinite potential energy what created our observable and unobservable universe?

If @ultraeric is correct, and one were to dive head first into a black hole, not doing the whirlpool style entrance, would you possibly speed up? Going around and around the black hole might cause the slowdown, even taking into account centrifugal. But diving straight down the wormhole, could all the gravity swirling around you force you to go faster, not slower?

And 10USMC75, science is only a religion if you let it be. DO you put your faith in the hard wire facts, or in what you think is true?

Religion is only a matter of perspective, as is the entire universe.

Robot, I actually have a theory that could prove the existence of other cosmos, just not as extravagant as you put it.

There is a theory out there that there was a primordial, primitive form of matter BEFORE the big bang, and that the big bang was nothing but a breaking point when all this matter accidentally accumulated. I have an adaptation to this.

I say that all the above was as it was, but the big bang simply drew in a hell of a lot of this proto-matter (work with me), becoming the first instance of gravity, a type of gravitational bomb.

Now if we say that the universe is eternal, and that this proto-matter is the same, then, theoretically, there could be an eternal number of these "micro-verses", or "nano-verses".

The larger the bang, the more of this proto-matter gets sucked in, so our cosmos might be a tiny one or a super-massive one.

Why can we not see these other verses? No idea. It might be because of some kind of dark matter shielding. It could be the same reason these verses don't collide and destroy everything. And why the verse is slowing down, we are hitting the barrier.

And I'm still in high school, just to blow all of your minds.

TeslasDisciple,
I have compresion and expansion components for fluctiions in atmospheric pressures. No worries, my componets of your news flash I am intact.

Its Ironic that a photon(light) does not have mass which is why they move freely across space and time unlike its other subatomic couterparts still gets trapped in blackhole which is said to be of possessing very high gravitational force(acts only on matters having mass).

AHAHAHHA! @TeslasDisciple, he believes in that pathetic big bang theory. Explain to me how an explosion could create life. So if I blow up your house, I will create new life?

@robot, I find your comment very humorous, the amps jumped a few times on the reader.

@TH3B34ST, Life did not evolve because of the big bang, life evolved in the chaos that was early Earth. The big bang simply made the canvas that life grew on.

@cosmicdust, that is why black holes are so d4mn cool!!!!

I have heard that Black holes sometimes throw out large beams of gamma after they have swalloed large quantity of matter. If that is the case, how come those gamma beams break the event horizon and not light?
If not light itself, which is a wave and a particle, can escape a black hole, why can gravitons (gravity)?
How about magentiscm, do black holes have a north and south pole?

Time is not independent of space. They are intertwined in this reality.

The origin of the big bang is unknown but current quantum theory states clearly one possibility: The nothingness we associate with the vacuum of space seethes with particles which appear and disappear continually. Their life is measured billionths/ trillionth/ or on a Planck scale of seconds. Quantum theory also states the randomness of these events eventually produce a mass creation of particles from this zero state into a big bang event.

Richard Feynman postulated and applied math as proof, the energy in the nothingness is very very very large.

Following that logic, our universe is only one of an infinite number of universes

This is poorly stated by a layman but the basics are consistent. Nor can I argue this point with any scientific underpinning as the math is beyond me.

Traveling into a black hole becomes an exercise in Zeno's Paradox. Time slows as velocity and or gravity increase. At the speed of light, time essentially stops and mass (gravity) approaches the infinite. So the particles never reach the singularity or so it is said.

Lastly Gamma radiation associated with black holes does not originate from within the event horizon but from the accretion disk circling the drain, so to speak. Thus no violation of the statement that nothing escapes a black hole.

So if mass goes to infinite at a point, wouldnt it implode in on itself?

I think time is cyclical. Time dilation from the extreme environment of a black hole not only slows time for all matter that passes the event horizon, but sends it back to the moment of the big bang, the beginning of all time. That is how the big bang happened all across the vast expanse of space in the void of the universe simultaneously, every singularity in the universe exploded all at once with the matter that enters every black hole in existence. Just a theory anyway :)

I think mass inside black holes already are imploded. The gravity is so strong that each atom is packed up at each other without any space in between them.
Stars implode on themselves when the explosive reactions inside dimminish slightly, because then the gravity force is stronger than the exanding force of the reaction. Greater the weight of the star, the greater the implosion; and the largest one create black holes.

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@Alotta Fagina

You just havent been here long enough... give it time.

To beleive in science you have to believe in theory,truthfuly nobody knows hardly anything because there is so much to lear,we are all young pups that aren't dumb or stupid we are all just ingorant.All of you might think you know sooooo much but really we all know hardly anything.

sorry for the spell mishaps

Guess everthing we know is wrong, ENJOY!
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To TeslasDisciple:universe is not a closed system .hence energy can be created and destroyed too.light is just a slice of electromagnetic spectrum and can be destroyed and created , created when electrons jump from higher energy states tolower energy states within an atom and destroyed when electrons are ionized and destroyed in a black hole situation or entering back into quantum vacuum . Even vacuum are creations of energy vibrations .
As far as "life" is concerned it is nothing but analogical to "information" ,(and not to electromagnetism) . both information and life-energy are continuous as energy waves and not discrete or digital as matter 'particles" or grainy like space-time fabric.For life-energy manifests in our four dimensional space-time manifold through matter just like light manifests through matter ( by processes like reflection,refraction,diffraction, polarization etc ).microbial life-forms ( carbon life forms and arsenic life forms etc) exist and survive almost everywhere in space that we have been able to explore even in the surface of the sun and in cold empty space on comets and viruses lie dormant in deep space itself.The origin of life is NOT earth or any primordial soup .Life has been there and everywhere more like "information" .the strength of this analogy is that even in black hole life could exist and survive since information is one thing which the black hole cannot destroy like any other matter or matter-energies . Leaking out gamma rays from black holes carry "information" and hence life too !. Like information ,life is the very fundamental essence and basic ingredient of the universe and NOT matter-based at all. Even space and time are creations of matter ,but not life and information. Got it ?

ultraeric seems to have captured the standard theory of black-hole singularities as I learned it, based on general relativity.

And kirbang seems to have carried reasoning further to its natural conclusion based on the quantum theory of spontaneous formation and disappearance of particles in "empty" space that I've heard of.

But what I find curious and puzzling is how a black-hole "singularity" forms and evolves. As matter coalesces before the singularity is formed, does the singularity suddenly come into existence in an instant? Or does the formation merely approach becoming a singularity over an infinite period of time but never actually achieves singularity in a finite time? Also if there is actually a singularity, does there have to be, in effect, matter "at" the singularity? Or does _all_ matter that has fallen through the even horizon merely approach the singularity for ever and ever?

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Also, it is often said that no information can come out of a black hole simply because nothing, not even light, can come out of through the event horizon.

But it seems to me that this statement is not true simply because the curvature of space outside of the even horizon is a measure of the amount of matter within the even horizon. So the measure of the curvature of space outside the event horizon tells you something about what is below the event horizon.

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Einstein was apparently very enamored with the idea that a single unified mathematical theory could describe the dynamic laws of the universe in their entirety with ultimate, _exact_ precision. That idea seems to be a metaphysical concept of the universe that can never be verified empirically. But conceivably it could motivate an improved theory of the universe.

On the other hand, I can imagine a personified physical universe saying, "Ha Ha Ha, you theoretical physicists are all a joke. You will never capture the true sense of my being. Your artificial invention of mathematics is simply too feeble to capture my true sense. All you can do is to approximate my behavior. There will always be exceptions of one sort or another to the so-called laws that you discover. In fact, it is impossible for you to ever know that you have captured my true sense, even if capturing my true sense were possible."

The void itself exists out of nothingness, maybe therefor a black hole maybe it's opposit existing out of matter. Those two might work together.
Think the edge of the universe is sourrounded by some sort op athmosphere...
I dont think you try and understand it as something really complicated but more like something that is build of and using extreme symplicity, extreme logic.
This based on imagination though but hey, thats what encircles the earth.

i think the way james dyson is going with his ever increasingly powerful suction on his dyson cleaners that before long he will invent the black hole again........

@teslasdisciple "And I'm still in high school, just to blow all of your minds."

I'm so impressed that as a teenager you can form your own complex ideas and theories about the world aroud you...oh wait, humans start doing that at ages much younger than yourself. The fact that you're so arrogant about your "knowledge" only emphasizes your immaturity.

You could try to be like ultraeric and put some actual science into your theories...that may help your cause.

If you can't tell, people who label themselves as "mind blowing" get on my nerves. haha

One question I have is, if light has no mass then how is it possible that it gets sucked into a black hole? How can gravity affect something that has no mass?

@nor-cal ninja, thats what i have asked for in my earlier comment, seems einstein contradicts his theory