Maldivian Leaders Might Move the Entire Nation to Australia If Sea Keeps Rising

Roughly 25ft of sea level in the greenland ice sheets. Another 25ft of sea level in the polar caps. That 50 ft, or more, of sea level rise will translate to hundreds of feet of water. Northern europe will be underwater, parts of California, many islands and costal areas will be gone.

Migrations will happen. I dare say, that though it sounds grim, all the links are showing up. In reality no one knows whats causing it. A scientist named Dmitriev has found, from data collected from Voyager I and II, that the sun and our solar system are moving through an "Interstellar Energy Cloud". The sun is apparently absorbing energy from this cloud and so are the planets. Its quite possible that our warming is due to the sun being more active and giving off slightly more power due to this energy field. That the sun is in its 11 year solar maximum does not help things. The potential for a nasty flare from the sun is appearing eminent. I dont know which will be worse though...the big one or all the little ones heating up the planet.

I find it quite odd we did not detect a field of this magnitude long ago. The scientist specualtes it could take 2000 - 3000 years to move through this cloud. Nasa has issued 3 public warnings siting his findings. He has said that it will not happen in tens of years, but in "...ones of years".

I dont know what land mass this country could buy that would be safe. The 2012 event from the movies is a real possibility. Solar activity has now been linked to volcanic/tectonic activity. Where is the safest place to move to? Your money will mean nothing and your land mass is not safe. Once the planet reaches a certain temperature you will see tripwire effects start to happen. For instance, the methane hydrate deposists from the ocean floor, that contain an enourmous amount of the greenhouse gas "methane", only need a small amount of temperature change to begin boiling up to the surface. That would intensify the heat on the planet very rapidly. Forget crops. If your giant bunker didnt come stocked with food, your screwed. Wont need money.

If anyone has a large super thick acrylic dome that doubles as a submarine...can me and my pug please come along? Im def freaked.

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

@D13

What cloud are you talking about?

Colonize space, asteroids, other planets, etc. Or build floating cities above the cloud/storm layer. If the governments of the world truly cared, then money would not be an issue, nor would motivation be.

Global Warming and Cooling has been occurring before SUV’s were invented. I believe man made global warming is a misinterpretation of the data. D13 is right, the sun is hotter than ever observed, all the planets in our solar system is going through climate change…last I checked there were no SUV’s on Saturn or Neptune.

I speculated some time ago that our solar system is moving through a part of the galactic orbit that is effecting our sun’s activity….D13 can you please provide a link to the “high energy cloud”?

Also a sea level rise of 23 inches is a bit much and sounds like scare tactics.

@D13

"Its quite possible that our warming is due to the sun being more active and giving off slightly more power due to this energy field. "

Or not.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

The Interstellar Radiation Field is real but it isn't causing the Sun, much less the Earth, to heat up.

Solar Storm Warning – NASA

"Astrophysicist Alexei Dmitriev says that both Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 satellites reveal that our sun, as well as our entire solar system, is now moving into an interstellar energy cloud. Opher, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from George Mason University says this interstellar energy cloud is turbulent. Dmitriev explains that this cloud of energy is exciting the atmospheres of our planets and especially our sun. As this interstellar energy cloud continues to excite/charge the sun, it causes the sun to become more active, resulting in greater output from the sun. IE: Bigger and more frequent solar storms and CME’s resulting in the Carrington effect. This interstellar cloud of electrical energy is also absorbed by the Earth, and scientist have found that it results in more earth quakes, all while dramatically effecting our weather here on earth. When asked how long will it take our sun to pass through this interstellar energy cloud, Dr. Dmitriev replied, “I don’t know. But If I had to guess, I would say somewhere between two thousand to three thousand years.” This interstellar cloud is a wispy band of charged particles through which our solar system is slowly moving through.

When Dr. Dmitriev was asked what are the implications of all this for earth he replied, “Global catastrophe! Not in tens of years from now, but in ones of years” …in that this global catastrophe is basically right around the corner setting the stage for NASA’s latest solar storm warning 2012-2013."

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"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

Now I know that sounds a little crazy and some sites are doing their best to discredit the source, including NASA in a weird round about way.

In their "Ask an Astro B.s.ologist" readers who ask about the subject get this response:

"...An "energy cloud" that the solar system is supposedly entering, which some Russian claims is about to cause "global catastrophe". There is no energy cloud. That is a crazy idea. And all my readers should be warned that many Russian "news" stories are pure fiction. They have a worse problem with pseudscience in Russia than we do in the US."

David Morrison
Astrobiology Senior Scientist
January 4, 2012

Just some Russian eh? Weird that this same "some Russian" is a real acredited scientist doing work for NASA. For instance he is referenced in this little paper, and more, found on NASAs own website:

Paper: "The solar and interplanetary causes of space
storms in solar cycle 23":

http://cdaw.gsfc.nasa.gov/meetings/2005_gmstorm/data/cdaw1/papers/Bothmer_intas_results.pdf

Then their is the 2006 solar storm warning that has been either removed or replaced on their website. Well, I digress really. I am not trying to bring doomsday and mistrust to the whole thing. The data is real though and this Energy Cloud needs to be re-addressed. Maybe pop-sci readers can find convincing evidence one way or the other.

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

Well whether you believe global warming is natural, man-made, or both, it doesn't change the fact that the Maldives will unfortunately be swallowed up by the sea and its good that their leaders are actually proactive and planning ahead.

For all of you guys preaching about the sun, how do you reconcile your thoughts with the fact that we're at the peak of a solar cycle right now and that peak is lower than previous peaks that we've observed. Its not the sun.

my land is 50 feet above sea level...so lets hurry this along so i can go fishing from my back yard

Here's D13's source word for word (Google is your friend):

http://www.solarstormwarning.com/

Note that Dmitriev is not a NASA scientist.

For some real science, here's a nice write up on the implications of the Voyager data:

http://planetary.org/news/2011/0612_Voyager_Discovers_Possible_Sea_of_Huge.html

@D13

While A. V. Dmitriev is, indeed, a respected solar scientist, the Dmitriev you keep quoting is A. N. Dmitriev as shown here:

http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html

Wikipedia: Alexey Dmitriev (born 24 December 1985) is a Belarusian-born German professional ice hockey player currently playing for the Kölner Haie of the Deutsche Eishockey Liga.

weird? maybe, mildly. Deautche Hockey player huh? Thanks WIKI.

But others have dug too, and this little story has some little interesting twists...

In another site discussing the scientist, they track Mr Dmtrieve back to his place of work and discover further understanding of his data:

(user follows Dmitriev back to his university)

USER:"I give you

http://mig.phys.msu.su/lt/staff.htm

Interesting, when you click on most of the staff names you get info on them when you click onto DR. ALEXEY N. DMITRIEV* you get

This computer belongs to the Laboratory of Condensed Matter Theory
at the Department of Low Temperature Physics, the Faculty of Physics,
M.V.Lomonosov Moscow State University, Moscow, 119899, RUSSIA.

The head of the group is Prof. Alexey Dmitriev
[tel.contact info removed by me].

Junior researcher:
Mrs. Olga Pupysheva.

Main research directions of the group include:

charge carrier kinetics in semiconductors, non-equilibrium phenomena and relaxation, high fields, electron-hole recombination;
low dimensional structures;
semiconductor optics.
"

Another user relates the data to the traveling of the solar storm, through a regular cycle, into a dusty arm of our galaxy:

Another poster:

"The sun has it's own field of course. It also sends out a strong range of radation and particles, constituting the solar wind. This all combines to manifest our star's influence in the larger interstellar environment, with the very definition of what is interstellar and what is intersolar being defined by the boundary of that influence - something called the heliopause. Everything within that boundary, the heliosphere, is protected. However, the location of or distance to the heliosphere is not certain, nor is it believed to be static.

There are 3 main variables which determine the strength and location of this barrier, and thus how much radiation and other material makes it into our solar system. The nature of the interlopers - strength of the radiation, density of the dust or gas - the strength of the solar wind, and the strength and alignment of our sun's field.

In the latter case, we have some recent data showing some suprising facts about this system and it's dynamics. As mentioned, the sun has an 11-year cycle, with the sun's magnetic field having a related cycle of roughly 22 years. At the peak of solar max, our sun's field polarity reverses, and during that time is disordered and less effective. As it happens, following the last reversal, our sun's field did not flip completely - so instead of running north-south, it is actually aligned along the solar system's equator. This causes it to be less effective, to a measurable degree.

Since the late 1990's, the levels of interstellar dust have tripled. Rather, that was so for measurements taken by the Ulysses solar probe, in 2000. by the year 2012, these levels will have increased to perhaps 10 times what they were in '97. There was a time when it was believed interstellar dust could not penetrate to the inner solar system, but this has been found to be possible, and indeed, happening....
As Anthrage points out, this is not something to get alarmed about, but something to keep an eye on and continue doing research on."
....

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

now regardless of who this guy is and I know im sounding all conspiracy theory and stuff BUT WAIT...because Im not. Unfortunately I am in a long circle, that I apologixe for removing this man from the equation. It doesnt matter if he exists. This next post makes even more sense and this persons facts do check out. It is possible that instellar cloud is affecting our Sun, inside the heliosphere:

My original claims should be based more on this:

"Hi all. At first glance, I would have to agree with Carolyn's assessment - at least as regards the material in question. I'll have a russian friend go through the original text (if I can find it), but being familiar with the 'translation effect' from my position in a bilingual city (english/french), I would not be surprised at the extent of variance in tone and detail from the russian verison which I expect is present. Certainly, the platform on which these particular words are being read is itself a factor, without question.

That said, if you boil the area of discussion down to it's basic points, they are valid, and of active interest in more conventional and legitimate areas of inquiry. Basic points I would extract:

-Earth, and the solar system, exist in the greater context of a cosmic environment
-Natural processes which occur on large scales of time and space (distance) do effect our environment
-Effects may manifest in a variety of ways, impacting a broad range of terrestrial and heliospheric (basically, anything in the solar system - in fact, defining what IS the solar system) processes
-These effects can be measured and researched
-Measuring and researching these effects, given their potential impact, is important if not vital

As many an educator will tell you, the sun is the primary source of energy for life on earth - directly or indirectly. Without that energy, there is no life. Indeed, one could take that to a more general and fundamental level, and say that it is radiation - in all it's forms - which has the greatest impact, with the sources of this radiation being not only our own star, the sun, but all such sources in the universe; past and present. It can truly be said that without the furnaces in which the heavier elements were formed, we would not exist. To look beyond our atmosphere for vital influences on life - either positive or negative - is quite reasonable, and indeed necessary. As unpleasant or unconventional as it may sound, we are of cosmic origins, and that is the ultimate environment in which we live.

So in this respect, I would have to say that the fundamental message of the material in question is correct - however ill-stated it may have been.

Here are some examples of more accepted agents of research and discussion, on specific aspects of the attributes of the cosmic environment and it's past and potential effects on the solar environment in general or the earth's biosphere in particular:

Species-impacting Cosmic Events and Environments (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/06jan_bubble.htm)

Potentially-hostile Galactic Evironment (http://www.americanscientist.org/template/AssetDetail/assetid/21173?fulltext=true)

Weakened Magnetic Field (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/earth_magnetic_031212.html)

Government program to predict future human life-affecting changes through cosmic processes (http://www.igpp.lanl.gov)

Now, I have gone out of my way to label these links in as 'frightening' a way as possible...as many of these fringe-type platforms no doubt do, to serve their interests or agendas...but strictly speaking, all of the above is factually true. In the case of the latter link, the 'headline' is paraphrased directly from the program's mission statement. These concerns are legitimate, and there are many related research programs, some specifically targetting the area of discussion here.

As with many an area of scientific inquiry, especially where new or unproven theories are concerned, there is difference of opinion and a good deal of uncertainty that manifests in a range of interpretation. It is very difficult to prove a great number of things - we can positively identify the existence of a particular piece of evidence in and of itself, but cannot always prove that it is evidence of the specific action or process we are investigating. However, the collection of as much evidence as possible should still be pursued...

I myself find it quite surprising that these programs are ongoing, that there is a high level awareness ('a deep understanding of the fundamental changes taking place in the natural environment surrounding us that politicians, and citizens a like, will be able to achieve balance?') of the true nature of our context in the cosmic environment, and the various aspects of that. I suppose the best comparison might be the question of global warming and overall climate change - despite that this itself may be looked to as a piece of evidence in relation to a greater process - and the related inquiries, debates and discussions. One can question the conclusions drawn from the investigations. One can question the tone used in certain alarmist proclaimations. One can question the dire predictions and dark fortellings of a depressing or daamged future...but the data is beyond question, the facts are sound. As always, it is the interpretation that is problematic.

Are there observed 'PlanetoPhysical alterations of the Earth'? Well, yes. Does 'Strong evidence exist(s) that these transformations are being caused by highly charged material and energetic non-uniformity's in anisotropic interstellar space which have broken into the interplanetary area of our Solar System.'? Well, no. Not strong evidence. Evidence however, does exist - of many different types, potentially proving many different things. That 'there is growing probability that we are moving into a rapid temperature instability period similar to the one that took place 10,000 years ago.' is one possible conclusion, that you or I may not agree with. There are quite a few others. Unfortunately, it is a consequence of this stage of coming into a new awareness and the resulting new knowledge of our reality, combined with the nature of our reality itself. A reality that includes things like the millenium group, and people like woo-woos. :)

My advice to anyone who, like Carolyn, 'needs to know' - and we all need to know, whether we know it or not - is to not rely on the chosen expression of a particular interpretation of a certain example of evidence of some kind or another...examine the evidence yourself, as directly as possible, and draw your own conclusion.

For myself, the conclusion about this particular issue is that yes, it is something of concern. A concern of a category which includes the potential hazard of asteroid/comet impacts...something which has also more meaningfully appeared on the government's radar. In some ways we are like primitives who are realizing for the first time that we are neither existentially isolated or eternal. Like the ice ages of our planet's past, people living at that time lived or died by their recognition and adaptation to the new reality. The same is true today for populations in different parts of the world, as it is for the world's population itself.

Certain events being heralded seem outlandish and absurd, when compared to the things we have experienced directly in our own lifetime, or indirectly through the lifetime of recorded history...but the reality is, we are but a single movement of the second hand in the context of the clock of some of the natural processes of the universe in which we live. Time scales of millions, hundreds of millions, even billions of years. It is no surprise that the science of the elements of these processes is often 'polluted' by spirituality and philosophy - two things very crucial to the examination of existence; and that is what in a real way these 'discoveries', these awakenings, are bringing us a better understanding of. Our existence.

My personal alarm level is the product of the following equation - What's the worst thing that can happen if we do nothing, divided by, What can I do? Informed awareness is the first step in performing that calculation, and regardless of the source, or how the information is presented, if it leads you to 'good data', then it itself is a good thing. When it comes to the various potential dangers out there, ultimately, there is no such thing as bad 'publicity'. :)

If I find anything out about this Dmitriev fellow, or get a copy of the original russian text, I'll let you all know."

Ok, now all of that together is quite interesting. Forget Dmtriev in general, my point was to find the actual "other" huge amounts of research that would lead a possible conclusion like this "interstellar gas cloud is heating things up". The science is real. The possibility is real. The cycle that we are moving through this band of energy is real. When one searches on all this "woo woo" you get taken to more woo woo. Why cant they just point us to the real research that does outline the possibility that Global Warming could be an interaction of our solar system with external universal elements?

k, drink that in. Srry

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

Sometimes you need to acknowledge and debunk the more propogated myth first. Then after you do that, you show that regardless of the myth the data is real. Well, the data is real. How many of you, before now, had heard the possibility of external universal phenomena being a possible cause of Solar activity and global warming. I know it was news to me. The real facts on the matter are very obfuscated by all the pointers to the myth. Almost every search on a link between warming and external phenomena takes you to the "solarstormwarning.com" myth. Forget that part. I suggest that warming isnt caused by man. That these islands are sinking due to something out of our control. Pop-sci? Please? Article on this? No one else has one and its perfect for this year. "Interstellar Gas Cloud Heating up the Universe"!!! :D

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

long read but informative. It makes a very strong case for global warming relating to CO2, and The article is grounded in published highly criticized scientific research.

30 % increase in CO2 + deforestation to put in (black )parking lots and roofs. I'm surprised the earth has not warmed more than it has.

Also there are people that say the earth can buffer CO2, and buffer the temp increase. well guess what, it isn't.

Perhaps, but it doesnt explain Solar Storms. It doesnt explain the effect of Solar Storms on the planet and climate either. Direct evidence of Solar Storms causing tectonic, geomagnetic and volcanic anomalies does exist. If that is true, then how is it possible that the Sun is removed as possible heat source? It can't just be CO2.

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

Global warming is simply climate change which is a natural thing. This sort of incident will occur for as long as this solar system is around.

This Interstellar radiation field sounds interesting. So much about space that I still don't know. Gotta get to reading.

But yes, I think that such matters should drive endeavors to preserve society by any means necessary. Even to the extremes of moving the human race into space. We have to face the fact that even though this planet will endure until the sun burns out, it will not always be habitable for us at any given time. In order to survive, we gotta find away to survive in the harsh realm of space, and desolate worlds void of life. Then when we manage to mess this world up, we might still be able to live on it after spreading out elsewhere.

scary stuff. money should never be an issue but governments love "milking" the poor for their own agendas...

"religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom"

-Killah Priest

@D13

"I suggest that warming isnt caused by man. That these islands are sinking due to something out of our control."

Your entire argument in a nutshell. I prefer science. Cheers!

@Wildeye,

"I suggest that warming isnt caused by man. That these islands are sinking due to something out of our control."

Your entire argument in a nutshell. I prefer science. Cheers!"

...and a much more powerful statement given the information I provided. A journalist I am not.

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

You prefer to accept the spoonfulls of crap your fed because its easier to digest. One could argue that your responsibility in life is to pull it all apart and put it back together for yourself.

The climate data has been gone over and continues to be. The only thing for certain tying it altogether is that the warming is taking place duting a time of mans revolution and use of carbon emitting technologies. That in itself is purely coincidence.

If you prefer science then please respond to me in science instead of your preference for judging reality. I prefer science too! :)

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

Interesting as well...

http://www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-14-2004/Interplanetary_1.htm

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

@D13

"The climate data has been gone over and continues to be. The only thing for certain tying it altogether is that the warming is taking place duting a time of mans revolution and use of carbon emitting technologies. That in itself is purely coincidence."

You call it coincidence. I call it cause-and-effect since the mechanism by which CO2 and temperature change are linked is a well-known physical phenomena.

Here are a few places for more information on the science behind Global Warming. Enjoy!

- www.ipcc.ch/
- www.skepticalscience.com/
- www.realclimate.org/

actually I beleive d13 is correct (but I only read his first couple posts). I have been looking at this for a while.

http://www.science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/16dec_giantbreach/

read that link above its from nasa themselves.

also, i read somewhere that nasa has a satellite up in space that will create a magnetic field like our magnetosphere to protect us and its 4000-5000 times more powerfull than our own magnetosphere. i wish i could find that article again.

Guys..this is serious...D13 has finally officially gone off the deep end.

Hahaha. No I didnt go off the deep end. But you cant say that "none" of the warming isnt from Solar or external phenomenon. We know that even slight Solar weather changes can have a huge impact on global temperatures. We know for fact that when the earth gets hit with certain types of flares that it is bombarded with neutrinos. A former myth debunked to be true. So, if we have been outwardly affected by this then show me in the pure CO2 data where the account for this external temperature is located. If you cant do that then tell my it isnt in any of the models. Show me the difference between the mainstream temperature rise due to emissions and then distinct line from things like the sun.

If solar models are real and CO2 models are real then how do they not conform to create a total account for earths warming trend. The two are completed contingent (earth temps + sun).

I found it interesting that we had to "dig" hard to find the real research behind this all to publicized Myth. Thats all. Keep eating your pure CO2 cereal. Mines got a little sunshine and universal marshmellows in it too...You can have some? Just try it at least? You can spit it out if you dont like it.

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

D13, I won't debate the CO2/Global warming is man made issue with you quite yet, but you seem to agree with climate scientists on one point: Global warming is happening.

Is it not fair to say that, regardless of what's causing global warming, it's nevertheless an issue that we need to deal with, and soon? Even if we can't control something like the energy cloud or whatever cause it happens to be, we can still influence the end result -- for e.g., how much total energy enters the atmosphere/how it's absorbed/what happens to it/etc.

I'll refer to David Deutsche (who is not a climate scientist, but nevertheless makes a good point), who suggests "it may already be too late to reverse [climate change]," but "we may need to find ways to lower temperatures [to maintain a livable environment], or to find ways to survive at the higher temperature."

This issue, of how do we survive in the face of climate change, is the real problem here. Exactly how climate change happens is, really, a red herring (though, for the record, I do believe in CO2 being a cause of global warming, though I promised at the start of this post I wouldn't much get into that debate... yet).

If global warming exists, and if it can result in true global devastation, then we must find a way to reverse it or mitigate its impact. That's the bottom line.

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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - Carl Sagan

I don't think rising sea will be a threat. As soon as a cheap source of energy is discovered, or the people are willing to put in effort, this problem can be solved.
Just dig the ocean floor and dump the earth on land above sea !!

Manmade or not, global warming ends with ice. The earth always knows how to reset from that icy period. All will fix itself most likely after/during the thaw. The current heat increase will eventually release methane hydrate deposits into the atmosphere, the second part killer of the dinosaurs asteroid impact, and the warming will eventually stop. There are natural ice ages and their "maybe" the first man-made one is what we are saying then. Global Warming is the evidence of a coming deep freeze. Isnt it weird that even in ateroid impacts, nuclear winters, etc. that the earth will always freeze and start over?

The earth has had its oceans completey evaporated at leat once and yet here we are. Vegetation has been lost more than once. Oxygen would have had to have been gone too if there were no plants so... how grim is it really? The Earth is protected in the end regardless. My only question is this...when is it that we start to plan for the future event? Is that when the symptoms are so bad that its too late? Or could it be that the prediction is so bad that it doesnt matter? We still quable over the reason for what caused global warming while we should just be accepting it. The glaciers that took thousands of years to create are not going to refreeze back into glaciers any time soon. It has started. Warm and cold weather patterns are destablizing and their is nothing to show us that they will return on their own. It "was" a delicate balance. Fresh water re-distibution has started and once the conveyor stops...

Worry about the more immediate threat while you pickout a nice place near the equatorial band of the planet to stay warm. The sun. Since we are not inline with a normal planetary "repeating" cycle that we can tell, then the only way it could be natural is if its being caused by a cycle thats not planetary. Perhaps its galactic then. Regardless if the Myans are right or not, their cycle doesnt follow earth geo-cycles. It follows galactic cycles. Isnt it interesting that the only galactic cycles we are in are that we are moving through an arm of the Milky way, on a 14000 year cycle. How that instellar gas cloud sounding now? Apparently there is another cycle also, the Suns solar maximum. Then there is this galactic alignment that happens when our Sun dips down to be perfectly flat with our glactic disc. Not saying any of them are definitely affecting us but the energies and gravities involved in those things are staggering and they are real cycles going on around us during a very irregular warming event in Earths history.

Im sure it will all just blow over and we will stop using fossil fuels and we will be fine. Im sure there will be no impact whatsoever from our Sun and im sure it wont interact with any space dust, particles, etc. that it passed through as we approach this higher galactic cycle.

Lets just talk about the weather. "So, how bout this 70 degree weather in January here?"

Better save your money and buy a spaceship Malvians. Luckily you kind of already sound like an alien race. :D

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

As usual, with almost anything written on climate change & related issues, the facts simply don't fit the projections of the alarmists at all.

Since 1850, the earth's actual mean sea level has risen by less than 13 inches. More important however than the amount of the rise is the fact that the RATE of rise has been the same, both before and after we started using fossil fuels on a large scale.

Folks, virtually everything we hear about our endangered environment is pure BS. There are a few legitimate environmental issue that need to be dealt with. An example is the mess that Chevron left in the Ecuadorian rain forest when it stopped drilling there. Another good example is the poisoning of the Hudson River Valley with PCB's that General Electric is responsible for.

The earth is fine. Mother nature knows how to take care of herself, in fact the after effects of the "world's greatest ecological disaster" (the BP oil spill in the Gulf) are almost all gone, thanks to natural bacteria.

The only thing we can do about climate change is adapt to it. As Dr. Bob Carter said, we don't try to stop volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunami's, or hurricanes, because we know that they're natural occurrences that we can neither predict nor control. Climate change is exactly the same, however it tends to take place over much longer periods of time. Ironically, the biggest part of the hoax which rarely gets mentioned is the fact that WARMING IS GOOD! The ONLY type of climate change that threatens us is extreme cooling. Why? Because crops don't grow well in cold climates, and people starve when that happens.

Any effect that modern man has on our climate is statistically insignificant in the overall equation. Climate change is all about the sun. The greenhouse gas effect is a very minor factor, and besides, 95% of greenhouse gasses consists of water vapor. Only 4% of the total CO2 in the atmosphere comes from human activity, the rest is natural. CO2 is NOT a pollutant. It's plant food. It's a basic part of the cycle of life. Without it, nothing would be green. Besides, our contribution to CO2 in the atmosphere that all of these environmental bozos are bitching about amounts to only 16ppm. That's 1 part in every 62,500! Anyone want to look me in the eye and tell me that such a minuscule amount of a clear odorless gas is destroying our planet?

If anyone wants a really excellent and entertaining overview on environmental extremism as a whole, they should really listen to what George Carlin had to say about it:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuJmxvdTM7M

Yes. The world has been warming since the end of the Little Ice Age. Is man to blame? Absolutely not.

fs

sounds great bud, wish you were right. CO2 not the only thing doing work here. once that methane bubbles up well start seeing some real heat. that could be anytime. once the temp starts changing at the 1200ft mark, even by 1-3 degrees, its methane time. they say the amount of Methane frozen on the ocean floor is so great that the effects from it are almost instantaneous in the atmospere. fields of the stuff miles across

"Methane, a "greenhouse" gas, is 10 times more effective than carbon dioxide in causing climate warming.

Methane bound in hydrates amounts to approximately 3,000 times the volume of methane in the atmosphere. There is insufficient information to judge what geological processes might most affect the stability of hydrates in sediments and the possible release of methane into the atmosphere. Methane released as a result of landslides caused by a sea-level fall would warm the Earth, as would methane released from gas hydrates in Arctic sediments as they become warmed during a sea-level rise. This global warming might counteract cooling trends and thereby stabilize climatic fluctuation, or it could exacerbate climatic warming and thereby destabilize the climate."

just a little more sea level rise. the tripwires are not pleasant. these types of definite "possibilities" can take the situation to very serious, quickly.

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

"Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. There is no spoon."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reclamation

http://askville.amazon.com/land-reclaimed-sea-building/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=2917859

With land reclamation going on like this, i believe sea level rising can not be a problem.

Clearly the Maldives can not be taken seriously! The Maldives plans to open 11 new islands to foreign investors to develop upmarket tourist resorts. The new resorts, some to be built on reclaimed land, will add to the 33 resorts islands currently under development,
www.mymaldives.com/blog/11-new-resort-islands/

This aint no science article! It’s a propaganda plea for OPM. It does not belong in a science magazine. PopSci is not a science magazine. Perhaps it should change it’s name to PopLiberalMouthpiece. Rebecca Boyle has clearly been recruited into the 40 year “Maldives is Drowning” scam for $billions of Other People’s Money from other countries.
www.climatechangefacts.info/ClimateChangeDocuments/NilsAxelMornerinterview.pdf

Exhaustive studies had shown that from 1790 to 1970 sea-levels round the islands had averaged 20 centimeters higher than today; that the level, having fallen, has since remained stable; and that there is not the slightest sign of any rise.
wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/19/despite-popular-opinion-and-calls-to-action-the-maldives-is-not-being-overrun-by-sea-level-rise/

Were the 20 th-century sea level trend to continue, the world's oceans would only rise about 15 cms between now and 2100.
www.nationalpost.com/news/oceans+aren+about+swallow/4644433/story.html

Examination of historic data from US and world sea level monitors by sea level experts shows that sea-level rise in the last century was insignificant and the rate of rising has decelerated in the last few decades.
www.nationalpost.com/news/oceans+aren+about+swallow/4644433/story.html
- www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming

However, worldwide sea level has been dropping since 2007.
wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/17/doing-it-yourself-the-latest-global-sea-level-data-from-jason-shows-a-sharp-downtick-and-downtrend/

In 2005, as part of its misery merchandizing the UN predicted that by 2010, 50 million people would be climate refugees from rising sea level. Population has increased in all locations named.
wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/15/the-un-disappears-50-million-climate-refugees-then-botches-the-disappearing-attempt/