Microsoft: “Sayonara Vista…Hello 7!”

I'm sorry but if you have a PC that is older than 5 years or maybe a new PC with only 1GB of memory, Vista is gonna run like crap! On 5 of my PC's all Intel Core2's with 4GB of ram Vista runs like a champ actually mopping the floor with my few remaining XP systems. Stop crying and upgrade your computers.

I think there were two major mistakes made by Microsoft with Vista: 1) Microsoft assumed it would sell itself; and 2) It was shipped before mature hardware drivers were ready. With that said, I have been running Vista on all of my machines with little to no issues. Most of the problems I've seen people have are due to outdated hardware or just plain "cheap" components...this is where the PC differs from the Mac. Where Apple has full control over the quality of their core hardware, Microsoft has virtually none. This gets Microsoft in the hot seat more times than not and, I think, it's undeserved. With the proper hardware, the Microsoft's OS is a very stable and formidable platform.

Vista is and always has been a piece of sh*t. Upgrade your computers? Are you serious or just plain ignorant? My most recent laptop came with Vista and some very impressive hardware and performance specs, all of which sat utterly unrealized until I installed XP. It was like taking a heavy foot off my laptop's throat. Besides that, a person shouldn't need a screaming fast machine just to run an operating system on it. If Adobe would hurry the hell up and release Linux ports of their creative suite, I could forget Windows ever existed.

I've been running vista for 2 years on my home computer. I've never had any problems with it, and it is AT LEAST 5 times faster than XP on my office computer, which has roughly the same hardware. I agree with frankenberry. Most people that say Vista isn't any good haven't even used it, and or don't know the first thing about computers.

As someone who works in the field I would like to tell toolguy and frankenberry that they both have neither knowledge of computers or an imagination of what is possible with computers. The new algorithmic standards introduced in Vista are the building blocks of Windows 7. Like Microsoft's other releases, they use the public(i.e. their customers) to beta test anything new they release. The argument that you should "Stop crying and upgrade your computers." sounds like a hard sale to me. You dont buy your computer to watch the electrons travel really! fast from component to component. You buy it for some purpose, some functions. Computers are just really large calculators, with that said you should not need anything faster then a "PC that is older than 5 years or maybe a new PC with only 1GB of memory", far as I can tell Microsoft Word hasnt introduced any significant features since it stole the software from Corel WordPerfect, either has any of the other Office Suite software. Unless you lack a life enjoy playing video games, or are an up and coming engineering who wants CAD to run on multiple monitors with lots of modules running, then you might want to consider an upgrade. But to upgrade your computer for the sake of being able to run Vista does not justify the cost for value.

I'm running a free distro of linux called Ubuntu and have all the same abilities you do, same/even better word/email/music/photo album/etc programs and the computer runs/feels faster then any Vista/XP on similar specs. As for the "cool look/effects" desktop enviorment, well just youtube compiz and have a look at what my system runs all with just 1 gig of ram and a 1.8 ghz athlon processor from about 5 years ago.

As my kid would say "Stop acting like a tool and think for yourself."

@toolguy "and is AT LEAST 5 times faster than XP" is simply not true, if anything your home computers is probably stuffed with malware/viruses/crappy software running in the background that so many windows users find "cool" (yep so amazingly crappy). This is a classic scenario in your grunt IT work

"Hi my computer and internet is new and they are running really slow"

"Really? Well what have you done with it"

"All I did was install Kazza"

Stop right there, slam your head against a brick wall, put your computers in a dark room for 24 hours and give us a call in the morning. If its still slow then please pack everything up and return the product, computers arent for you, go buy an iphone/ipod/imac and in future purchases please give the computer to your kids.

I love it when people say Vista runs fast with 4GB of memory.

With 4GB in XP, you can disconnect the hard drive and XP can run from memory. If you need 4 GB just to boot up your PC, that "OS" is worthless.

And can anyone tell me what I actually get for my 4 GB on Vista compared to XP? Besides a headache?

Geeze, this didn't sound like The Grouse at all.

Anyway, I talked to a friend of mine who just bought a new laptop last week and he has been running W7 and liking it. For some reason (MS product, mebbe?) the Vista that it came with bricked up on him almost immediately. He tried W7 successfully, and hasn't had any trouble with networking/installing games.

That said, I still suggest Ubuntu to anyone who will listen. Six-month release cycle means you have a "new" operating system twice a year... instead of sticking with [Windows Block X] until [Windows Block neXt] comes out.*

*Disclaimer!--Unless you're terrible with computers. Then do what saruji said.

I personally have had no problems with Vista at all, but I just bought my computer, so I havent been using it very long.

I am not normally one to bash Microsoft. I think they do a fantastic job with many of their products. And I am not going to go on some tirade about needing new hardware or horrible Vista bugs.

My experience with Vista was basically "why bother". When I went from Windows 98 to Windows XP it was immediately apparent that something was not only new, but better. Better security, better reliability, better interface.

When I went from Windows XP to Windows Vista I saw virtually nothing worthwhile. Reliability decreased due to poor driver support etc. Security may have increased but at the cost of usability since I now had to deal with annoying popups any time I tried to do anything. The result was that I removed the popups and thereby compromised the security. The interface was pretty much the same except now I had gadgets and a few other features that I never used. Big freaking deal. 99% of the gadgets are useless anyway.

I went back to XP, installed the Zune theme for a nicer task bar and I haven't looked back.

That's right, jump ignorantly to the defense of wealthy corporations that don't know or care about you.

You are nothing more than a wallet strapped to the back of an entranced magpie to them.

After SP1, I consider vista better than xp. Thats just my thought.

To the author of this article: Why should microsoft hurry win7? so it turns into an even bigger failure than you portray vista as. There are numerous bugs they need to fix, and by rushing it, people are sure to get frustrated.

njdevil: As you might already know, most consumer PCs come pre-loaded with some version of windows. This is why I personally build my own machines and aquire the OS elsewhere...

I think most, if not all of us, can agree that Vista has its problems but it is not horrible.

I have a laptop that is just over a year with a dual core processor and 2 gigs of ram that runs vista. I work with this computer nearly every day and the only problems I can see is that it is much slower booting up and shutting down. Yes the security aspect is very strict but it doesn't get in the way to awfully bad.

This computer was straight out of the box aswell, not even a RAM upgrade.

This is a subject is very much based on opinion and perspective. I use my computer mainly for school work and a game or two. I also dabble into some engineering with a little design with Autodesk so Vista suits me just fine.

The answer is plain and simple, if you don't like vista, stop complaining and swich to another OS its not that hard.

I don't know why you guys are complaining that Vista takes to long to start up and shut down. My laptop opens Vista in 40sec, tops, same for shutting down. Of course, it has a 3 gig ram, but still...

Sayonara Vista…Hello Vista with a few changes!

Vista is better, though I'm still not saying it is a great operating system by any means. When it came out its cost, system requirements, overhead, and lack of product support made the system a complete disaster. A lot of these problems have been addressed with hotfixes and service packs. More products are being supported now, even if only by way of work-around fixes and the cost has dropped somewhat.

A big let down to all who awaited the release on Vista was the announcement that such features like DirectX 10 and the new file system may only be available in the ultimate package. A bigger let down still, is the increased need to meet system requirement demands in order to deal with the high overhead.

Yes Vista is fast when you first buy the system and if you have the latest technology and are doing nothing more than running work application ... but this is not because it is better than XP, but because the CPU/chipset architecture has been optimized for use with multiple threads. Not to mention that a lot of the software that has come out recently has been optimized for Vista as well.

Vista, however, is no XP and never will be. For those of you who honestly believe that Vista is faster and better than XP you need to do some reading.

I have been using both XP and Vista for many years now and if my HP hardware supported XP without major modifications I would get rid of the Vista operating system that came pre-installed as I have had nothing but problems with it.

For those of you who still think Vista is faster lets compare my two systems:

Vista Business, Athlon Dual Core 2GHz, 2GB RAM 667MHz, NVIDIA 7150M/630M (Dedicated: 128MB RAM/Shared: 800MB RAM) - Graphics keep crashing, hangs often, not nearly as fast as I'd like seeing as most of the resource intensive features have been disabled, and almost no programs running in the background.

XP Pro, Atom 1.6GHz, 1.5GB RAM 667MHz, Intel 945GSE (Dedicated: 8MB RAM/Shared: 64MB RAM) - No crashes, no hanging, many programs running in the background, and runs equal/faster than Vista on a single core processor with less RAM and a graphics card with far less RAM.

My last comment is to agree with the above statements that said that you shouldn't need to upgrade your computer JUST to run the OS! A computer sould only need to be upgraded to run games or graphical/processor intensive tasks (video encoding, Auto CAD, etc.)

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"...there's no promise of safety with these second hand wings..." - The Melting Point Of Wax by Thrice

all i have to say is it's about time...

I wouldn't say VISTA is bad. I've taken a look at it but never installed it. Simply because I'm happy with XP and Vista offers me nothing better.

My computer should handle Vista. But it handles XP better. I like office 2007, but fortunately it runs fine on XP.

And if i had a blazing fast computer that handles Vista perfectly, I'd stick with XP and get an even better performance on games. Besides I can't be bothered finding out if my hardware would have problems with Vista.

I think the problem is simply that Microsoft Outdid itself. Till XP came out OS's were shaky. I've tried every windows operating system from 3.1, 98, 2000, NT, ME. With XP i've stopped. And I'm happy. All i expect from an OS is stability and support from everything else. And I don't see my self bothering with an upgrade it W7 is properly tested.

In my opinion VISTA is horible my computer keeps on freezeing whn ever it feels like it XP never did that for me, and VISTA takes upi a lot of memory that you might need. It doesn't show you the true potential of your machine, in theory my computer should be a tons faster the my old one, even with my CPU using only 0-10% power.

As far as I'm concerned, vista was the most badly made hunk of steaming dog poo i have ever seen. The thing was a behemoth (was it 25 GB?), it had really high system specs, and there was no point in upgrading if you weren't going to get a new computer. But what really makes me mad at microsoft is the fact that they just ride in mac's wake. Vista was a ripoff of tiger and Windows 7 quote "has an OS X [leopard] dock." Lets just face it, windows will have to really pull something off to make an operating system better than OS X. I have had a mac for 1 and a half years now. I have made exeptional, professional looking dvds of vacations, used iLife with ease and have NEVER HAD A TOTAL CRASH OR MINOR CRASH. this computer I speak of has 1 gb of ram and a 2.1 ghz duo with a intel X3100 integrated. That is not the best, and it operates any computer I have ever used (I have used quads running vista)! Microsoft has to learn what apple is doing, use less power to do more things.

You know, I'm so tired of hearing about all the problems with Vista. I've ran Vista for a few years and have had few to no problems. I don't know what people are complaining about (If someone could tell me in another comment, please do). From what I can see the new Windows 7 looks awfully similar to Vista, so I don't think it will fix whatever the "problems" are. Seriously though, Quit you're whining you Vista naysayers, all I hear is stating a problem without offering up a solution. I don't see you programming any operating systems. If you think you can make a better one, go right ahead!!!

(You may not want to admit it, but you know I'm right.)

Saruji Your a moron
If you install kazaa on any OS it's gonna mess up, you can't say that about just windows, just because 90% of virus's are made for windows. Stop being such an elitist while all your ubuntu bullshit, If I wanted a bare bones OS then I'd go back to 98 or ME. Your pretty much saying that if someone linked you to a page that scripted your computer to turn on DMZ on your computer that that your not responsible for clicking the like ubuntu is.

Jesus Vista is a good operating system, I've been using it since it came out and I've NEVER had any problems with it whether it's modelling in C4D or making textures in Photoshop Vista has never given me any problems.

Stop thinking your awesome cos you know how to find a virus location and stick it in recycle bin

Vista is rare with its special crashes, but think about how inefficient it is. Vista takes a huge amount of space and takes lots of graphics power. OS X is better

I have been beta testing Window7 for 3 weeks now, and i LOVE it. It is a grand slam, not one freeze up or problem, and i have runs a lot of stuff on it.

"completely removed Movie Maker, Photo Gallery and Mail, instead making them available for free via Windows Live"

WHAT?!?!?!?!? did i read that right???
so this means that you now have to connect to the internet to edit movies & photos??? If you have to upload videos, that would take a long time!!! And if something were to happen that the internet got disconnected, that would be very disappointing!!!
Microsoft is just very arrogant! They just wanna brag and show off Windows Live, so they believe in order to do so, take away one of your most popular programs (Movie Maker), and make it only available online. well they're WRONG!!!!!
very very, veryyyy disappointing. i rather stay with my vista if this is going to be the case.

Two things killed Vista shipping before drivers were ready and the protected media path DRM BS made it difficult to write drives that were not buggy other then that it over was a good OS.
Other issues a lot of computers shipped with GMAs which supposedly could not work with Aero and their crippling the basic version of Vista.

MS still has not learned their lesson as PMP the main trouble maker in Vista is still present in Windows 7.

My experience with windows 7 has been worse then Vista I can't even get my driver to play nice with dual head displays and this is unacceptable.

I think I may switch to OSX and linux and be done with Microsoft.

Well, it simply comes down to this.
Your mindset. If you think that Windows is the biggest turd in the universe, then it is. If you're open about it or like Vista, its great.

Also, Every computer is different, even if they have the same specs. For example, take my school, there are 100's of computers of the EXACT same specs, save a few that were upgraded for the video creation class, and they all have different problems, start ups, shut down, load times, internet speeds, etc. etc. No two computers are the same so some will run Vista like s*** and others like its god.

Stop whining and swich your OS if you don't like Vista, or clean out you computer with CCleaner(recommended to me by BestBuy). It will speed up nearly every aspect of Vista.

And if you want to be a bit**y 5 year old whos mother won't let him buy candy at Super Fresh, go to some Anti-Microsoft Forum and be a bigot there sil vous plais.