Does anyone believe that this can pay out any way but short?

here's some things to think about:

1: Handguns don't have alot of room for electronics on them. Most modern handguns don't have anything on them that they don't absolutely need.

2: a handgun is one device that you absolutely, positively want to work first time every time with as little possibility of failure as can be built into it. THIS MEANS A PURELY MECHANICAL DEVICE!

3: Handgun companies like Smith and Wesson, Berretta, Glock, Ruger, and the like have strong mechanical engineering departments, and strong material science departments but HAVING NEVER RELEASED AN ELECTRONIC PRODUCT EVER BEFORE don't have strong electronics departments.

4:alot of handgun customers keep their handguns in a safe place and only take them out when they need them, so its conceivable that a dead battery could lead to a dead handgun, and possibly a dead handgun owner, BECAUSE THE CRIMINALS ARE GOING TO STICK TO THE OLD RELIABLE MECHANICAL GUNS that they bought outside of New Jersey.

People, I don't belong to the NRA, but the simple fact is is that its only the law abiding people of New Jersey that will end up owning these unreliable and probably impossible to manufacture guns. therefore. this is a solid short in my port

I never even thought about point number four. That's the strongest argument against this technology I've heard.

Keep it plugged in. Duh.

Duh yourself. How many gun safes have you seen that come with a hole in it so you can plug in your smart gun?

Also, I'm sure many people here own a cell phone. How many times has your cell died because you didn't plug it in, even though you knew the battery was almost dead?

Duh yourself, Novey. I'll get in touch with my uncle Jim from New Jersey, and we'll start making these new, space-age safes.
And if I had a cell phone, I would use it every day. People with handguns don't use them that often.
Jack Hinx: I believe the term you're looking for is "you never need a handgun until you really need it."

I think Scotty (think startrek) summed this up best, "The more complicated the toilet the easier it is to plug up the works". Ok, so that isn't an exact quote it's been a while.

I have a lot of guns for hunting, competition and just because. The one I can trust to work every time no matter what is the oldest and simplest. I can carry it around in my tackle box, stick it under the seat of my truck and let it bounce around and it always works perfectly. That is what anyone that depends on a firearm wants in a carry weapon and why Sam Colt's single action revolver (and clones) is still one of the biggest sellers on the market.

Of course the people depending on the weapon is not the people making the law so you might want to keep that in mind.

I don't own a gun, have never fired a gun, and don't plan to in the near future.
However, I hear that Glock makes some pretty reliable handguns. Old and simple? no. Electric? no.

m_novotny- Never. It only dies because it chokes on an MP3 for some unknown reason.

You are right Milk, Glock makes some decent guns and surprisingly enough they are simple, by which I mean there are few moving parts and they are easy to maintain. I do not own one because they do not have a true safety and while they are ok in trained hands I don't want one around the kids or grandkids. I'm careful with my guns but I am a firm believer in "Shit Happens" and try to cover all the bases I can.

On your not doing any shooting, if you ever want to give it a try dust off an old Atari and get out the Duck Hunt game. Great fun and you don't even need a permit.

Actually, I have all the games in the EA Battlefield series (and expansion packs) from BF1942 to BFV to BF2. I wish I could get 2142, but you have to actuvate it online, and the computer I play on isn't online.
Also, Atari was probably before I was born.

I don't know where you got that generalization that "people with handguns don't use them that often" but I'm pretty sure that's not true. Law enforcement use their guns all the time, and I also use my handgun two or three times a week.

But even if they made gun safes so that you could keep a gun plugged in, that'd be just one more thing you needed to do (unplug the gun) in a desperate situation. All in all, having any electronics on a handgun essential for it to work properly is a mistake.

Also, while Duck Hunt is fun, nothing beats the smell of cordite and the feel of the recoil, or the satisfaction you get when you put a load into the X-ring.

(I shoot a Desert Eagle .357)

S&W .38 Police Special & Springfield .45 XD

you know,

the more I think about this, the more I think this simply can't be done.

lets imagine for a minute that you can take a 45 caliber long barrel single action revolver. this is about the simplest handgun your going to find.

lets imagine that under the barrel of this weapon is another barrel that holds two AAA rechargeable batteries, the gun is now heavier and harder to hold up straight.

now lets assume that there is an identifying sensor apparatus in the hollow handle how it works isn't important its just there. and lets assume also tat somewhere on the gun is a jack so you can plug it in and recharge it.

now what are all those recoils going to do to those solid state electronics?

and how many shots are you going to get off before those batteries die?

and how are you going to get this serviced if you need too because I don't think your local gunsmith is going to be able to do it and shipping guns through the mail is difficult if not illegal?

and what if you want to leave your gun to a relative when you die, how do you transfer ownership?

and so on and so on.

this is really an ill conceived piece of legislation we have here.

I doubt that they'll make them so you can use batteries that you can buy just anywhere. I think they'll make them so they need special batteries, similar to cell phones, that you have to buy from the manufacturer or their approved stores. I also believe this battery would be placed in the grip of the pistol, which may improve stability but also make it a bit harder to get your hand around it, especially if it's an automatic.

As for transferring ownership, I'm sure the manufacturer would do that, after all the forms are filled out and checks are checked. Estimated time for transferral of ownership: 4 months.

As far as service goes, what you or a knowledgable friend should do the first time it chokes up is to take the dang thing apart and figure out how to make it work without the electronics.

ejcassel, very nice. I've fired a .45 before and while I admire its stopping power, it's a bit too much gun for me.

Also, I have to laugh...when this page loaded there was an ad from google with a Tippmann paintball gun that's supposed to look like an MP5.

ejcassel, very nice. I've fired a .45 before and while I admire its stopping power, it's a bit too much gun for me.

Also, I have to laugh...when this page loaded there was an ad from google with a Tippmann paintball gun that's supposed to look like an MP5.

Mike, I can't believe that you got a Desert Eagle but only in .357! (For those who are unfamiliar with the desert eagle, it goes up to .50, but at that caliber it only holds 7-ish rounds and weighs a ton.) Do you have a scope?
If the amazing zap-o-kill electric gun stops working, you or a friend shouldn't have to take it apart to make it a normal gun. You should have been smart enough to go with something a bit more conventional in the first place. I'd recommend the Ruger Redhawk .44 magnum w/a scope or the salad with house dressing, sir.

No, I don't have a scope for it, but it's a bit stronger than the .38, and that's what the police use, and also it will fire .38 ammunition as well. I like the idea of a .50 caliber handgun, but I already know that a .45 is too much for me, so I don't think I'll get a .50.

Also, when I was considering what caliber to get, I was trying to balance stopping power against the cost of ammunition and also the recoil. I like having a gun I can take down to the range and plink away all day. With a .45, I called it quits after about 40 minutes.

So, the larger caliber isn't always a good thing.

Good point, but that logic can be a bit silly. For example, that was the whole argument against machine guns when they first came out.

One of the best movie quotes:

You are shrinking, and your two little balls are shrinking with you. And the fact that you've got "Replica" written down the side of your gun... And the fact that I've got "Desert Eagle point five O" written down the side of mine should precipitate your balls into shrinking, along with your presence.

Great quote, great scene, great movie. Too bad Guy Ritchie became Mr. Madonna and started putting her in his movies.

Try a .45 colt (sometimes called a long colt) cheap low power "cowboy action" ammo is easily available, soft kicking, and fun to shoot, while if you buy the high end stuff it is more powerful than a 45 auto comparing well with a .44mag. I have a Ruger Vaquero in .45colt that is probably the most versatile handgun I have ever owned.

Most of the police around here have switched from the .38/.357 Mag to a .40 or a 357sig. They claim they are easier to shoot, I haven't tried either cartridge yet. In automatics I tend to shoot .22 or 9mm as the ammo is cheap and both are very accurate. The way Kansas game laws are written most if not all automatic handgun cartridges are not legal for hunting anything but small game so I've not messed with many of them.

@Milkweed -
Machine guns are a whole other game. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

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