Palm's innovations in multitasking, web service integration and interface design are paving the way for an even brighter future for smartphones

Palm's webOS-Powered Pre:  John Mahoney
Can you believe that only two or three years ago, the trope of cellphones used in America being so far inferior to what was available in Korea or even Europe was pounded to the point of cliché? Now, it’s on its head: the complete opposite is true. And for that, a lot of thanks goes to Apple. No doubt about that.

But the Pre and especially its webOS software is so interesting because it’s the first phone to actually build on the trail blazed by the iPhone in some truly key areas of functionality. And what’s more American than some good ol’ fashioned competition begetting forward-looking innovation that elevates the playing field for all?

Here's where the Pre has won major points with me after using it for 5 days instead of my iPhone:

Intelligent Multitasking

Arguably the Pre’s biggest draw is its super-elegant multitasking schema—apps fill up “cards” as they’re launched, which you can quickly scroll through horizontally by pressing the main button, which zooms out into a “card”view. Closing apps is done by flicking it off the top of the screen, which feels great. Aside from the five icons in a quick-launch bar and those within the three drawers of the app launcher, there is no icons-on-a-desktop conceit.

I love it, when it works. Say what you will about the iPhone OS’s easy app-switching—there are still tons of instances when I wish I could come back to an app right where I left it when I went on to do something else. Even with the iPhone 3.0 update’s background notifications which can send messages from non-active apps, you still have to quit most apps entirely to stop and do something else. Not so on the Pre.

That said, multitasking isn’t perfect yet on the Pre’s webOS. A lot of things work—swapping cards is beautifully intuitive, the notification tray at the bottom gives you quick access to basic controls for the music player or jumps you to your email when you get a new message—all great. But it won’t be long until you hit a dreaded message when you try to open an app telling you to close some cards before doing so, as the system is out of memory. Sometimes this happens when you would expect, with a lot of apps open, and other times it persists even after you flick away all of your cards, leaving you stuck (this has happened to me once, and a reboot fixed it). There's clearly some work still to be done in the memory management department for future software updates.

And aside from the memory bug, launching new apps and switching between them can occasionally be slow. There’s a good one or two second pause before a new card pops up, no matter the app. And most annoyingly, incoming phone calls (remember those?) can often send the phone into unresponsiveness for a few seconds.

But overall, it’s the most elegant solution to multitasking we’ve seen on a phone yet; the next closest contender, Google’s Android, does a fair job, but it’s not nearly as slick an implementation, with apps often running in the background whether you like it or not, without fun-to-flip cards to shut them down.

Everything wrong with the Pre's multitasking can be refined or even fixed outright via software updates, though, which is an encouraging sign.

Living in the Cloud

Palm’s webOS, at almost every turn, offers you the chance to log in to your pre-existing web service accounts like calendars, email, contacts, Facebook, etc, which are immediately integrated into your phone over the Web. Immediately. No hassle.

No other phone is doing this so smoothly. Android syncs with Google and only Google; the iPhone has Mobile Me, which is even more limited and is still trying to bounce back after one of the rockiest product launches Apple’s ever presided over. But here’s the Pre, automatically pulling my contacts’ Facebook photos and displaying them whenever they pop up in my phone in messages or calls, just for starters. Awesome.

A downside to this can be information overload—syncing a Google contacts account, for instance, results in every email address you’ve ever corresponded with being entered into your phone as a contact. But that’s where webOS’s Universal Search comes in—at almost any point, you can simply start typing the name of a contact on the keyboard and his/her info will pop to the screen (brilliant that they’ve limited keyboard use in many key places to make this possible). I can’t scroll through a master list of contacts anymore (because between Google and Facebook, there are hundreds), but I don’t want to. Universal search is much easier.

Beautiful Design

Whoa, what, someone beat Apple at design? Really? What??

While the aesthetics of a user interface are often subject to preference, there’s not a lot about the Pre’s design I would think of changing. And no, it certainly doesn’t blow away the iPhone’s drop-dead simple aesthetic, and in some places, it’s harder to simply pick up and use without a glance at the instructions (or the surprisingly helpful “Help” app). But where the Pre lacks simplicity, it makes up for it in all other aspects of its design implementation. Even the hardware, which was a common gripe with most of the early reviewers, I find incredibly satisfying. The size and weight are perfect, the rounded edges, the fact that the screen almost completely disappears into the face of the phone, and yes, the plastic edges—I still can’t stop running it through my hands. Not everything has to be made of glass and metal to be considered pleasing, let’s remember.

But again, it’s almost shocking to utter the words “beautiful design” and “Palm” so closely together (or the name of any predominantly Western cellphone marque, for that matter), but that’s a great indication of how far we’ve come in the last few years.

And here’s the thing: iPhone OS hasn’t changed in a major way for over two years. Cellphones move faster than that, especially now, and people are getting bored. Jason Chen over at Gizmodo speaks for a lot of us:

The core functionality [of the iPhone] and design have remained the same for the last two years, and since 3.0 is just more of the same, and—barring some kind of June surprise [nope!]—that's another year of the same old icons and swiping and pinching. It's time for something different.

And the Pre delivered. From the typography and icons to the multitasking cards metaphor to, yes, the hardware, the Pre is an incredibly well thought-out phone, if not the most well thought out, and just like everywhere else in life, good design makes for a fun product to use. Period.

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42 Comments

How many things does it NOT do better?

1. I'll give that one to you so you're article isn't completely irrelevant.

2. How can you compare the Pre's cloud capability to the 3GS when the 3GS hasn't been released yet? I bet if you look a little harder, you'll find you've been proved wrong on this one. 3GS and it's software 3.0 have much more advantages in this area that it's 3G predecessor and certainly more than the Pre.

3. I cant believe iPhone is getting docked here for style points because it hasnt changed it's 'timeless' aesthetic of simplicity. It is still WAYY better to hold in the hand than the Pre. While you may think this is subjective, as a designer, you're absolutely wrong on so many levels about the Pre being a better design (in form, function, simplicity, materiality, quality, etc...)

Now, let's begin to count the ways in which Pre is inferior...I'll start from the top with reason #50,000.

Nothing. the iPhone is the best. Why in the world would a cell phone maker make a phone with a physical keyboard? It blows my mind. It's like going back in time.

First I have to say I'm not a techy. After looking at several smart phones, i.e. the iPhone, G1, and the Palm Pre, I selected the Pre based on my personal preferences. I liked the idea of having a QWERTY keyboard, touch screen, and the ability to multi-task. I have owned the Pre for 4 day now and I have to say I just love it. The keyboard is small but I haven't had any difficulty in typing emails or instant messages. The notification bar is fantastic as I do receive approximately 100 work related emails a day. It is certainly making my work day much more managable.

Although it's not my normal nature (I usually get a chuckle when my friend wax poetically about the lastest gadget)I find myself demonstrating the Pre's abilities to all my techy friends. As far as design, against the Pre, the iPhone looks a little dated and somewhat clunky. Don't get me wrong I think the iPhone is great, but for what I was looking for in a smartphone, the Pre has gone beyond my expectations. Not only is it functional, it's just plain fun!

iPhone can run more than one software app at the same time and has had that capability since its version 1.0 launch two years ago. The difference is that Apple recognizes the limits of current processors and battery technology and doesn't allow developers to run background apps, opting instead for push notifications until they can deliver full multitasking that works well for users. Google "Pre Battery Life." It's not pretty for Palm.

Are you kidding me? The iPhone is much better than this so called "Pre"! It's not even a close game. iPhone FTW!

"Now, let's begin to count the ways in which Pre is inferior...I'll start from the top with reason #50,000."

You claim to have 50,000 reasons and yet give not a single one. Why should anyone take you seriously?

Of course, John Mahoney, you start bashing the iphone, you're bound to get all sorts of apple drones in here waxing on about how perfect their precious little gadget is and how Steve Jobs is god and blah blah blah. No one could possibly do it better than apple, etc. Barf.

Case in point:
"Nothing. the iPhone is the best. Why in the world would a cell phone maker make a phone with a physical keyboard? It blows my mind. It's like going back in time."

Obviously our apple fanboy friend here knows little about user interfaces and tactile feedback. Visual feedback is far more inefficient than tactile feedback. There's nothing like feeling that you actually just pressed a button. For that, the Pre wins big over the iPhone. Sure, apple did a decent job implementing their touch keyboard, but it's no substitute for physical buttons, and you know it.

I don't even own a smart phone, but I've used the iPhone and I can tell you that my LG enV keyboard whoops on the iPhone keyboard applet.

Case in point #2:
"Are you kidding me? The iPhone is much better than this so called "Pre"! It's not even a close game. iPhone FTW!"

Wow, what a cogent argument!

How many things are really important to a smartphone?

Because it's not just a phone, but a very capable computer. think about that!

All you iPhone lovers, until it has real keys with tactile feedback so you can dial a number without having to navigate through a couple screens and you can do it with your eyes closed or when you're burning up pavement at superhero speed on your tricked out Batcycle with the villains in hot pursuit, calling in air support, IT ISN'T A PHONE! It's just a really cool gizmo with a phone interface tacked on as an afterthought. Of course if it had bulletproof voice-recognition that worked 100% even under heavy fire with chest-thumping explosions tearing up the terrain, then it could presumably be called a phone even if it didn't have a keyboard. They should have called it the iGizmo. And charged extra for the phone. Oh wait they did. iPod + phone = iPhone.

Looking over the comments, it looks to me like the iPhone has garnered as much irrational religious zealotry as all Apple products in general. (full disclosure: I'm an Android developer. Anyone remember the G1?).

laurenra7 -- ridiculous comments. And v. 3.0 will have built in voice recognition -- and more broadly capable from what I read than other phones I've used.

Since Mahoney quoted Jason Chen he might also have noted that in the same article Chen thought the hardware inferior and the keyboard less useful than a touch screen.

Maxxterra has it right -- this is a tool, not a religious icon. If it works for you, great. Actually most of the complaints I read about phones are traceable back to the carriers they utilize. And this is geography dependent.

Hey, jackcholt: When they get the battery life and factor figured out, I think Android may be a great alternative. By then, what will the landscape look like. We shall see, eh?!

As a toy I love the phone but now I have to decide what I want to do with it.

Calling the iPhone a better phone is like saying tea is better than coffee. I have owned an unlocked windows mobile phone since 2005 and after 4 years of use it died on me. A replacement windows mobile phone will cost me $300 and will replace what I had. However I am now the owner of an iPhone and am almost regretting it. Lets go over some of the things are not to my liking.

Video recording, voice recorders, voice dialing have been available on other phones since 2005. No hardware or software upgrade necessary for those phones.

Storage in excess of 16GB has been available on phones for years; yes it is achieved by adding on a storage card.

I keep hitting the wrong keys on keyboard. This did not happen when I tested and used phones with a proper keyboard.

The predictive text corrects instead of completing what I am typing. For example when I type "Which" the phone wanted predicted "Whig”. Many other phones do not have this problem.

How do I copy paste? This has been available since before 2005 on other phones.

Snooze is fixed unlike mobile which is selectable.
Select copy text?

Calendar appointment can only be viewed by launching the calendar un like some other phone which have a configurable option to show you today’s calendar entries as soon as the phone turns on.

The iPhone hangs up a call in progress when I plug in the headset. Hmm do I need to comment further on this?

There are no obvious cursor arrow keys to move a cursor if my averaged sized finger does not manage to place it exactly where I want it.

No battery level indicator that shows percentage level which other phones have had since before 2005.

Many carriers force you to have a data plan if you buy the phone from them. This is a big problem. The phone works just fine without a data plan but apple has allowed carriers to remove all ability for the “average” user to disable data access.

A simple sync and charging cable costs $20+ if bought from walmart while a complete clock radio with iPhone charging dock is available for exactly the same price. Sure ebay is cheaper but that misses the point.

Stop being homosexuals and buy an iPhone.

I'm one the folks able to get a Palm Pre ... why did I get one ... because I have 30 days to try it out and still able to return it. So far I like the phone but I have some comments:

1) For folks not using Exchange, I do not like how Palm has effectively de-tethered me from my laptop when its comes to my calendar and contacts. I know that 3rd party packages will resolve this but still I find this frustrating.
1a) It's frustrating because I don't necessarily trust Google to do the right by my data.
1b) Google is a free service without any customer service that I've seen. So now there is a support issue of who do you call when there is a problem. With my issue on 2) below I've learned that Sprint has a *LONG* way to go at training their Treo-centered 1st level support tier to think about the Pre in a completely different way. Right now from what I've experienced, Sprint's operators have literally no clue how to support the Pre.

I see that Mark/Space already has a BETA Palm Pre Sync utility out which supposedly will allow you to sync your laptop to the phone - I'm definitely going to try it. I found two other 3rd party packages for sync'ing from the laptop to Google but either the package was too complicated (Sync'Em) or it corrupted the data on both Google and the phone (Spanning Sync).

2) The initial sync process is broken for the calendar - at least for me it was. Contacts sync'ed over ok but they only appeared on the phone and on Google *hours* later. Even though the Pre would show the calendar - again after several hours for all appointments - Google would never get the updates. The fix to this is you have to de-tether the Pre's Calendar from Google and then manually set the calendar back up on the phone tethering it back to Google. But now you have to manually get your appointments into either the phone or import them into Google.

Oddly, the next day my contacts went from ~1100 to about ~650. So now I don't know which contacts get whacked.

3) I don't like how the Pre has no "status" indication of what's going on. Palm/Sprint needs to add something that will give you some indication of what's going on ... issues, errors, amount of application memory consumed / available, etc.

4) The phone is missing several usability features which I know are probably coming since this is the first release of the phone.

5) Like many have already said the battery life on the phone is not good by any stretch of the imagination so I have to keep a charger cable close at hand or in the car.

Possibly related, today I noticed that when I had several programs running .. nothing heavy that I saw .. in one specific spot on the back of the phone is was noticeably warm (bottom left looking at the back if I recall correctly) . This surprised me as you wouldn't expect the phone to show this sort of physical attribute. This is probably related to the context switching the CPU is doing keeping all the applications active. So yes the phone can have multiple applications running at the expense of battery life.

6) Interestingly I was told the phone is running a variant of Linux of some type when I bought the phone at the Sprint store.

I'm so glad someone finally mentioned Windows Mobile. My 2 yr old Treo with WM6.1 has a 16G card in it and I am ordering a 32G soon....It does multi-tasking, tethering for my laptop internet, 3G, touch screen, qwerty keyboard, tons of apps, superb synchronization of contacts and calendars with MS Exchange Server, and to make matters better, is actually one hell of a phone! Yes, I can dial a new number given to me over the phone while driving without ever taking my eyes off the road and my non-DRM music will pause and resume automatically. I can then pull up google maps utilizing my bluetooth GPS and see where I'm going without stopping music. Check my mail and messages and maybe a pdf at a stoplight without stopping music, send some text messages without looking, shoot some video, browse online videos with a real HTML browser, REMOTE DESKTOP into my XP box at home, and still having my GPS map up, and well, if needed, change my own battery! I'm sorry, but iphone can't hold a candle to my Treo. The only thing wrong with it is that there isn't a newer version for AT&T with built in GPS and wifi. But hey - they make MicroSD cards for those as well!
Oh, did I mention that it has a great call quality and a proper PHONE feel when held to the ear?

RAJ1591, perhaps it would help if you took a moment to consider the deeper meaning of things before you dismiss comments as ridiculous.

For your benefit I'll explain using boring technical details instead of fun and fanciful imagery. I thought I did a pretty good job of painting the picture, but I guess not everyone gets it, right?

John Mahoney's article discusses the features of the Pre that he thinks are better than the iPhone, many having to do with its functionality. Though he doesn't mention it specifically, one of the iPhone's biggest drawbacks for many of us--echoed by some of the other comments--is its lack of tactile feedback. You have to look at what you're doing instead of just pressing buttons by feel. Millions of people are fairly adept at dialing phone numbers and texting with only the occasional glance at what their fingers are doing. This is very handy especially when you're multitasking and your eyes are needed elsewhere. You can't do it with the iPhone. Get it?

Of course we wait with breathless anticipation for the latest voice-recognition for cell phones, hoping it will recognize simple commands like "Yes" and "No" more than 50% of the time. This would drastically reduce our need to look at our phones or press buttons, especially while (gasp!) driving. The fact that the iPhone has taken this long to get voice recognition underscores the point that while it's a really cool, fun, and useful device, it is lacking in basic phone utility that you can get with even the cheapest cell phones. It's still just a glorified iPod.

I have no animosity toward iPhones. I wouldn't mind having one especially now that prices have dropped, but like many other smart phones I've used, it overlooks some basic and important phone features.

more importantly, is this palm using a higher resolution lcd than the junk that's on the iphones? (and most other phones QVGA?).

@rguptaca

Where the heck do you get this stuff?

I place & receive calls DAILY and plug in the headset after connecting with the other party. Not once has the call ever been hung up.

You mind giving a list of all these phones that are so awesome since 2005?

I've yet to see a phone that has a battery indicator showing percentage of life remaining. Maybe I've just had all the wrong phones. I wouldn't want it anyway since phone screen space is so limited I don't mind looking at the graphic and guessing how much time I have left. And I appreciate the iPhone's notifications when I hit 20% & 10% life.

I'm an Apple & *nix fan & a tech junkie ... but why in the world do I want my smartphone to be a video recorder? If I want to record video, I do it with a camcorder, which is designed to record video & do it well. I don't want some shaky, grainy little video. I also don't want my phone to be a voice recorder. I've had phones with voice command since probably before 2005 and I've never liked it or used it. I don't even like calling into customer service lines that ask me to talk to voice recognition software -- I'd rather press a button.

Your comments, like mine, only explain your personal preferences, not much more. It's fine that you want your phone to be a pocket computer, camera, camcorder, digital voice recorder, chef, second brain, etc. But not everyone does. I'm a firm believer in that adage regarding how a jack of all trades is the master of none. I like tools that do what I want them to do, do it well, and do just that. I wouldn't buy a hammer that includes a screwdriver, square, and drill attachment. I just want a darn hammer. So do many people.

The iPhone is great for what it's intended to be -- a phone device that includes a rich platform for various single-purpose applications that are both helpful & entertaining. When I start to need more than that, I grab my laptop.

This is a reply to the first post on this article. "How many things does it NOT do better?"

Well lets see, its on SPRINT?!?!? WTF?

I've owed 3 Palm Pilots, and I've really enjoyed them, but when it came to me choosing this week between the new Palm Pre and the iPhone 3GS, the 3GS was the clear winner for the following reasons:

1: Would anyone mind on telling me who can actually type on those thumb keyboards? Now as a pretty decent typist and piano player I know how to use my 10 digits but yet when I try to use those extra tiny little keys, they just drive my batty. Meanwhile I'm just blown away with the ease at entering data in the iPhone.

2: iPhone lets me speak into it for names and even phone numbers thus being safer while I'm on the road. While Sprint offers these services, they add on to the bill because it's part of Sprint. The iPhone has this built in so I don't pay extra.

3: The iPhone is really just a really fantastic digital personal assistant that you use for so many different little task throughout the day. Oh, and you can use it as a phone too. The Palm does have great features, but not the 30,000 after market applications like iPhone does. In this area, the Palm will never keep up.

When my Palm T/X died after only 1 year of service a couple weeks ago, I realized that the quality had come down since my first one 5 years ago. Now I'm scared that this new phone of Palm will look good out of the box but not hold up well under hard usage. One only needs to look at the repeat buyers to see how well the iPhone takes daily wear and tear.

I'm getting my iPhone on the 19th, and yes I'll be waiting for the early opening of the store at 7 am sharp, and I'm as excited as a kid on Christmas morning. I'll tell you, we're going to have fun that's easy to use and that's what has and will probably always make iPhone the leader in pda type devices.

Looking for some help.

How do you create an event and invite someone to it on the iPhone 3G?

@rguptaca...facebook. :)

Well I do think the Palm Pre is a very nice phone and has certainly raised the bar in many areas. One nice feature is its keyboard which attracts business people. But I think the iPhone still beats it with it simplistic yet functional design and its many features. Also the app store adds more functionality to the iPhone then the Palm Pre has right now. Video games and many other apps make the iPhone much more functional then the Palm Pre.

Cuishi14

from avondale , az

I remember the G1. And i still think its better then the iphone for the fact that it does have a keyboard. touchscreen txing always ends up bein a hassle. The iPhone did a good job with it and it is a great phone but not anything amazing.

as an iphone user for nearly two years i can say this. Just about any smartphone that has been relesed in the last year is infinitly better than the iphone will ever be. there are times when i have seriously considdered destroying it and purchesing a cheap twenty dollor go phone from at&t and ridding myself of the iphone's terrible call quality. Don't get me wrong, think that apple has designed some amazing products over the years. but it positivly drives me crazy every time one new apple product is relesed and everyone goes crazy over it's shitty features and poor construction. EVERYONE OUT THERE, DO US ALL A FAVOR AND DO NOT BUY THE IPHONE, AND IF YOU DO, DON'T PRETEND THAT IT MAKES YOU SPECIAL, WAVING IT AROUND IN EVERYONE'S FACE!! TAKE ANY PHONE OVER THE IPHONE. AT LEAST THAT PHONE WILL LIKLY MAKE A CALL AND WILL NOT CRASH EVERY FIVE MINUITES

I am an unabashed Apple fanboy. I've owned almost 2 dozen different Macs and type this on my MacBook Pro, but I do not own an Iphone and never will until a few things happen. First, any other carrier besides AT&T has to handle it. I will never return to the evil empire again.

Now, I own a Pre, and I'm happy with it for the most part. It does what it does as advertise with minor quirks, same as what Iphoners have been excusing for some time.

Walking into this religious war rife with emotional lashing out and near death-threats is ludicrous I know, but no one on these comments are going to make me change my mind and hate my phone and love yours. Ain't gonna happen.

Like your phone? Good for you! Me too!

When Sprint gets the Iphone I'll probably get it at that point because it will have multitasking and a better version of cards and Synergy. I know how Apple works and they do good things.

We're all winners in this game, but quite a few of us prefer to be whiners. So be it.

Most you guys not even constructive when you defend your favorite device.

And personal preference is something that we can't all say otherwise. It's personal.

To mind you guys a little secret it was Palm (Handspring Treo 180) who invented the first smart phone (in IceAge I guess). Prior to that even before 2000 Palms's had touch screens now that everyone try to imitate.
And back in days 2005 I experienced the best mobile device called Treo 650 which have written in this blog post (sorry images have disappeared from my webhost at that time.) Back then I have called it "Digital Nirvana" Read here:

http://handytools.blogspot.com/2005/06/digital-nirvana-treo-650.html

To name few things I fell in love with in 2005...

1. Threaded SMS (Apple Copied It)
2. Industry's best mobile physical keyboard
(http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/7792/world-speed-typing-record-set-on-treo-650/)
3. Ringer Switch (Apple Copied It)
4. Touch Screen (world haven't heard it then :-)) (Apple Copied It)
5. SD Memory Cards
6. PIM, sync and other Apps (25,000 for PalmOS back in 2006)
(Apple Copied It too)

So sorry you iPhone freaks what you all say "awesome" was invented elsewhere prior to iphone and some of us were lucky to "live that first generation". Apple executed and marketed what palm had invented far better than Palm. That was the only difference.

In my personal opinion, by today's terms, lack of physical keyboard keeps iPhone away from me. Now Palm Pre is from the same people who build Treo 650 and Apple's iPod guy Robinson is now inside Palm CEO. So here I expect a tie.

So no worries when the titans clash in the mobile space it is always the end consumer "us" who are winning!

R,
Chan_____________________________
http://dreamsmademe.wordpress.com

Most you guys not even constructive when you rant your favorite device.

And personal preference is something that we can't all say otherwise. It's personal.

To mind you guys a little secret it was Palm (Handspring Treo 180) who invented the first smart phone (in IceAge I guess). Prior to that even before 2000 Palms's had touch screens now that everyone try to imitate.
And back in days 2005 I experienced the best mobile device called Treo 650 which have written in this blog post (sorry images have disappeared from my webhost at that time.) Back then I have called it "Digital Nirvana" Read here:

www.handytools.blogspot.com/2005/06/digital-nirvana-treo-650.html

To name few things I fell in love with in 2005...

1. Threaded SMS (Apple Copied It)
2. Industry's best mobile physical keyboard
www.palminfocenter.com/news/7792/world-speed-typing-record-set-on-treo-650
3. Ringer Switch (Apple Copied It)
4. Touch Screen (world haven't heard it then :-)) (Apple Copied It)
5. SD Memory Cards
6. PIM, sync and other Apps (25,000 for PalmOS back in 2006)
(Apple Copied It too)

So sorry you iPhone freaks what you all say "awesome" was invented elsewhere prior to iphone and some of us were lucky to "live that first generation". Apple executed and marketed what palm had invented far better than Palm. That was the only difference.

In my personal opinion, by today's terms, lack of physical keyboard keeps iPhone away from me. Now Palm Pre is from the same people who build Treo 650 and Apple's iPod guy Robinson is now inside Palm CEO. So here I expect a tie.

So no worries when the titans clash in the mobile space it is always the end consumer "us" who are winning!

R,
Chan_____________________________
www.dreamsmademe.wordpress.com

thanks dear

so, basically, if you distill the essence of all these arguments... it's down to personal preference?

Well I ordered a Pre and I'm leaving Verizon after umpteen years.

For my point of view I saw iPhone is much better than Palm Pre. Because of stunning new features, thousand of apps (all apps seemed killer apps), sysc, SDK and many games. And also huge amount of developers now a day do more for iPhone Apps. They all thought as a new heaven. Apple's well organized structures can dominant to over phone products.

MYO HAN HTUN (a) KO TOE

I tried the Pre for a week and I'm now on day 5 with the iPhone 3Gs. Here are my feelings as a serious business user and non-fanboy of either platform:

ADVANTAGE PRE
1. WebOS multitasking and slick card interface
2. Voice navigation
3. Multiple Exchange ActiveSync profiles allowed (AWESOME)
4. Nice size and weight

ADVANTAGE iPHONE
1. More out-of-the box apps (stocks, weather, etc.)
2. Visual voicemail
3. More readable screen
4. I like the onscreen keyboard better
5. Safari
6. iPod

The biggest iPhone downside compared to the Pre here in Denver: AT&T's voice service sucks compared to Sprint's. I've dropped at least one call per day. Never dropped a call with the Pre. Not good.

Also, why doesn't the iPhone allow multiple Exchange ActiveSync profiles??? IMAP and POP suck by comparison.

Biggest Pre downside: the Pre reset itself often and I had to start completely over with the device after a lengthy reboot.

I'll probably keep the iPhone and suffer through the poor voice service because everything else is so slick. If AT&T gets its network patched up and the iPhone starts offering multiple Exchange ActivSync profiles, the iPhone will be a nearly perfect device for me.

I have been looking at the G1 phone for the longest time, but the pre does tweak my interests. I have been a TMobile customer for 10 years now, and I don't really want to switch service providers to get the Pre. Would I be able to buy an unlocked phone and use it on the Tmobile network?

http://www.oyax.com/suzyjenkins

Walking into this religious war rife with emotional lashing out and near death-threats is ludicrous I know, but no one on these comments are going to make me change my mind and hate my phone and love yours. Ain't gonna happen.

Like your phone? Good for you! Me too!

When Sprint gets the Iphone I'll probably get it at that point because it will have multitasking and a better version of cards and Synergy. I know how Apple works and they do good things.

We're all winners in this game, but quite a few of us prefer to be whiners. So be it.
http://www.aglik.com/vb/

I hope this device is better than the new My Touch. Saw a tutorial on Engadget recently and it seems the My Touch had horrible touch control and also ran slow too. I still am waiting for a nice touch device like the Touch Diamond 2 that has a slide out QWERTY, and 3.5 mm headphone jack.

http://prosportnutrition.net/?a=633808700294218750

oh.. I just know about it...

some time we just know about what we need to know..

Thanks,
Hedge, http://www.confinionline.com/

There's no way the palm pre is better than an iPhone. This article has left out the top reasons why the iPhone beats the pre palms down.

www.wirelessemporium.com/brand.asp?brandid=17



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