For years, Steven Chu argued that leadership on climate change should be wrested from the politicians and turned over to the scientists. But on Capitol Hill this April, on Earth Day, as Chu testified on the scientific merits of the most ambitious climate-change bill ever to come out of Washington, you might have wondered whether he regretted getting his wish.
The opposition attacked immediately. Representative Fred Upton of Michigan suggested that a greenhouse-gas "cap and tax" bill would lead to the loss of American jobs. Lee Terry of Nebraska asked some amusing questions about regulating methane emissions (produced in high volume by the cattle industry in his home state) and wondered if the bill's emission standards met "the administration's goal of bankrupting coal plants." John Shimkus of Illinois shook a few props he'd brought — a hard hat and a piece of coal — and called the bill "the largest assault on democracy and freedom in this country that I've ever experienced." Michael Burgess of Texas asked for proof linking human activity to the rise in greenhouse gases. That's when the scientist took control of the debate. He politely told Burgess that he'd be happy to explain the connection in private. It sounded as if the congressman, having fallen behind everyone else in the room in his understanding of the matter at hand, had been asked to stay after class for extra help.
Before his appointment in January as secretary of energy, Steven Chu, the Nobel-winning quantum physicist most recently in charge of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, was more accustomed to giving lectures on the laser cooling of atoms than patiently smiling through a barrage of grandstanding. Chu had better get used to it, though, because the political challenges he will face as President Obama's energy secretary are unprecedented. Like the career executives and military officers who held the post before him, he is still responsible for the the job's standard, massive managerial chores: maintaining the nation's nuclear weapons stockpile and oil reserves, running a 16,000-employee bureaucracy, funding research at the country's national laboratories. Chu's immediate predecessor, Samuel Bodman, insisted that emissions targets were a bad idea and that global warming would be solved by future technologies. Chu has been much more proactive. His biggest task in his new job is to help enact the Obama administration's sweeping goals for transforming America's energy economy, to turn the country responsible for 18 percent of the world's greenhouse-gas emissions into a model for low-carbon sustainability. Chu accepted the position of secretary of energy; his successor will almost certainly be the second secretary of climate change.
At the Earth Day hearing, Chu's primary responsibility was defending climate-change action of the kind proposed in the Waxman-Markey Bill, a.k.a. the American Clean Energy and Security Act, which sets strict greenhouse-gas reduction targets — reducing them to 17 percent of 2005 levels by 2050 — and creates the framework for a national greenhouse-gas cap-and-trade system. Meeting these targets would require an average annual reduction in greenhouse-gas emissions of about 4 percent nationwide starting next year.
The larger goal behind this and other initiatives is to stimulate nothing less than what Chu has called "a second industrial revolution." The aggressive timetable for reductions in emission levels that Chu and Obama would like to see enacted will inevitably rearrange the list of winners and losers in American business, and that's where Chu will run into trouble. Opposition to this project has been coming from both Republicans and moderate Democrats, especially those from coal-rich states, who are worried about its economic impact in their districts. Overcoming that opposition will require all the persuasion Chu and his colleagues — including Lisa Jackson, the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, and Ray LaHood, the secretary of transportation — can muster.
Chu's performance that day on Capitol Hill boded well for his chances. During the hearing, his colleagues often yielded the floor to him, especially on scientific matters. This obviously didn't stop all the political showboating. But often, when Chu took the lead, something very un-Washington happened: The tone of the discussion shifted from divisive debate to studious consideration of a scientific challenge. Maybe it's just the natural deference that anyone, Republican or Democrat, feels the need to show a Nobel laureate. But in Washington, every advantange helps.
Chu, 61, is the second of three boys born to native Chinese parents who immigrated to the U.S. to pursue advanced studies at MIT. He says education was the family's highest purpose, and the Chu brothers have seven advanced degrees among them, from Harvard, Yale, MIT, Berkeley and UCLA.
Chu speaks precisely, with few hesitations or mid-course corrections, and he doesn't slow down for, say, thorny concepts from quantum mechanics. Listening to his lectures is the intellectual equivalent of hitting with a tennis pro: Even when he's making it easy for you, it's still as fast as you can handle, maybe faster.
Help me out guys....
Man puts out 27 billion tons of C02 each year into an atmosphere already containing 3,600 billion tons, or 0.75% of all C02. The greatest green house gas is water vapor and clouds accounting for up to 90% of all green house gas effects, leaving 10% for C02, CH4, S02, N0x, SF6, 03, flurocarbons, and a few other "green house gases". C02 accounts for only 1-2 % of the remaining 10% and that 1-2% is due to 3,600 billion tons of C02...and we account for only 0.75% of that? And we are only a few thousand years out of the last ice age, so I expected the warming trend to continue. And as the earth warms, the overall biomass of the planet will have increased respiration and so the rise in C02. And its all probably due to solar activities. Are we so vain as to think that man can do this?
O'k. Since you asked nicely I will try to help you out. One of the many problems is that I can only offer my opinion. That is all that everyone or any one of us have.
First a few words to set up the drawing of my opinion.
Take a few minutes, remove your opinions, and just read. I will not try to change any opinions while you read and then you can poke me in the eye if needed. But first be as nice as when you started out by saying "Help me out guys..."
I will help out with a straight face as without sarcasm. But that requires getting into everyone's opinion which is what makes the issue's so explosive.
This will only be a start. There is no way to possibly finish. But I will try to be as complete in as short a read as possible.
There are many issues bundled up nicely into one conversation which must be separated. This takes mental work. Most people formulate an opinion through a long process of gathering, organizing, placing a qualification, etc... on their information. Information is given a value by those who then consider themselves knowledge able in their pursuit of formulating a worthy opinion. Opinions are highly valued by society as we can see that those with well formed opinions are sought after such as for being president, politicians, lawyers, economists, engineers, and so on.
For this one part I will start by picking on the headline at the top of this issue that whoever at Popsci. so simply wrote to create the debate while not getting into the debate as they know better. We do not know better and that is why we find time to try and share opinions. But do we actually share is the problem with debate. Only when some one learns something is all of this time put to goo use.
Now for the subjects:
"The First Secretary of Climate Change"
"Steven Chu, the new U.S. secretary of energy, is a Nobel-winning physicist and an unabashed advocate of fighting climate change. But can he negotiate the political realities of transforming the energy economy?"
These words stir up different emotions in people as each word pushes buttons that people have built into their opinion alert system. Some people hear the word abortion and that is all that is needed to get their blood flowing no matter what side of the many viewpoints they are in. I am heavily involved in alternative energy development so when I see the words climate change I know that having a look will be fun and maybe I can learn something or share something.
So there you can see that I have expectations as do all who get involved. Now to the subjects.
Steven Chu is set up by Popsci. "The First Secretary of Climate Change" is indirectly addressed to Steven Chu. Already there is failure in the air for those who oppose any one who is considered an ENVIRONMENTALIST. I capitalized environmentalist not for sensation but that is a word such as abortion that gets everyone standing. Environmentalism has become an ism as if a religion. There are those within and there are those without. Those without who do not want to be in become evil to those within. Those within who do not want to look at those without become the evil of those without.
Next Popsci. puts Steven Chu on a pedestal "A Nobel-winning physicist" and from there proceeds to kick out the pedestal from under him. "And an unabashed advocate of fighting climate change.
Climate Change! there's the words and everyone comes running as if some one said dinner is ready. Some people can not wait to get their daily dose of fox news, cnbc, cnn, and the many opinion generators, pollsters, those who thrive on dirty laundry, insults and shock value.
Then you appear! with your bag of facts. No I am in no way poking fun at you. No sarcasm trust me as I do trust in you and your facts. But there is much more than facts in the whole issue. I will not repeat the facts that you shared and I will not stomp on your opinions.
So. To get away from the >I said you said< problem we must look at another problem that has facts. The FOREST.
Everyone loves the rain the forest and the rain-forest. Those who cut down the rain-forest are evil. Those who consume the products are helping out the economy that Steven Chu must fix due to people's expectations and his inability to carefully separate subjects and issues with his words so that people do not set unrealistic expectations of some one who is still just a man that can do nothing about climate change as the world clearly knows that humans have such an insignificant foot print in the larger picture of the earth and the dynamics of the universe that the earth is in as we are each just a small part of in the environment.
This is why the issue is complicated and becomes unclear to so many. It is easy to get off on many tangents and get lost in thought for most people who are accustomed to being fed small pieces of information at one time.
So. There are many facts about the forest, the foresters, the people who inhabit the forests as home, those who visit the forest, and those who have a match in their pocket, etc... To state the fact that forest fires have been shown to be good for the cycle of nature they are a part of needs to be put in context when speaking to that some one who is in love with watching a good fire burn.
Those who advocate that humans are to blame for climate change can be seen as stupid by those who do know better as the facts do show that there is no association between humans and the way the universe works. Planet earth becomes subject to larger forces that dictate from without and the natural forces that dictate from within. To say that a person or people can change the climate is to say that the earth can decide when to change the course of the sun, moon, itself, or any other planet. But there is a difference to mankind if a few of us start burning or cutting trees to the point where deforestation becomes a fact and the subject of low oxygen levels in the atmosphere, how nuclear waste is handled or mis-handled, how oil can damage life around areas where oil is extracted or in the many ways that humans process oil and other commodities that when used have the many by-products that must at some point be cleaned up. There should be no debate the the earth can and will survive as it has through periods without any plant or organic life. But to say that the human should not worry about the environment is also absurd.
The problems are many. Most begin with the human putting symbols called words into a position where words form opinions and that the opinions are held at a value greater than other humans as life and value.
So. There is many words: value, life, opinion, climate change, environment, warming, cooling, oxygen, methane, CO2, etc... and etc... and there are those who hold the world accountable as there should be reason when seeing the need for cleaning up the mess. And then there is the guy with a match in his hand who can not be expected to replace the forest he just burned, or the woman who can not be expected to put the child back together after cutting the child up, etc...
Then there is Government. Or there really is no Government due to the variety of opinions that hold Government accountable for things such as Drug Cartels and Terrorists while drug consumption starts where and the weapons of the terrorists where made by who. I would like to see in the future that some one who plans on setting a fire to a forest do so without a match and with no assistance from the others who are not involved at all as cigarette companies have nothing to do with cancer. Yeah, Right. Oops I did say no sarcasm. I failed again as usual.
But then again look at the world and tell me that my effort has no value in an attempt to learn more at how to stop the devaluation of the humans who have to live on feces as in Africa while the U.S. purchases oil and makes the illusion of a nice world seem possible for all when humans act like animals in the name of prosperity for the few chosen to be the lucky ones that are born into that group or are accepted by their opinions rather than by the Truth.
And on... And on... and you want to know why I am sarcastic? come on... as you put it plain and nice "Help me out guys....!!!" Smile once in a while. And let a little friction remove the fiction for others to learn from.
Thanks for the long and sarcastic(?) reply...lol. Your dissertation has been long and arduous and I thank you for your reply.
First a little about where I'm coming from. I live in the rainforest in Hawaii, in the Ahupuaa of Kealakekua, Kona, Big Island of Hawaii. I'm located on the slopes of Mt. Hualalai and Mauna Loa, where the famouos Keeling "hockey stick" curve was created at the NOAA station at the 9,000 ft level. I've been there and have spoken to scientists that work there. I am a greenie and I put my money where my mouth is. I have installed the 1st of 3 PV units on my new home (total of about $65,000), as well as solar water heater, and solar lights. I use a rain catchment system. And drive a Civic.
I hava an MS in Biochemistry as well as an MD. And have been a Kona Coffee farmer, carrying on my family tradition since 1910. I am very familiar with my environment, atmosphere, and climate changes as it does affect my crops. I'm also a fisherman,surfer, and free diver spear fishing so I keep up with ocean science too. I also live close to the most active volcano in the world, Kilauea and it has been erupting since 1983. We have a very active geothermal energy program, as well as wind energy, OTEC (ocean thermal energy conversion)at the Natural Energy Lab of Hawaii(NELHA).
I was hoping you could have enlightened me with data so as to convince this skeptic otherwise.
Climate Change, Really? What happen to gloabl warming? OF course Climate Change, it been happing since the second the Earth was born.
What about the EPA report that the Obama admin tried to surpressed that actually charted the the tempartures and CO2 levels since 2000?
The chart shows just how bad the thier "Gloabl warming models" really are.
The temps have drop so much this year, their was frost and freeze warning in JUNE in Bufflo NY. July is way below normal. How 60's for day time high may 70's.
Please look up in sky, see the yellow ball? When the activity of our furnance gets cranked up, we get hot. When the activiy falls, as it did, we get cooler.
Where did the proof about the drought and the Great Lakes drop in lake levels go?
Oh ya, seems that the temps are cooling off, much more rain and levels near normal. Lake Erie iced over this past winter. And in the south, Atlanta lifted their water restrictions.
EPA new forcast gloabl cooling until 2030.
IT ABOUT GOVERNMENT CONTROL!!!!! And Really Sheep-ish people.
LOL...so your saying your just like the other 50% of Kona residents with their civics (the other 50% have Tacoma’s)... I grew up in Kona
I agree with what you said.
And its funny how Robonvac "helped you out" with his 1500 word essay response! but with no facts or data or anything new to say but a bunch of comment analyzing psychology (or something?) lol.
To Bobmarley etc...:
Here is my data. Although only confirmed by me to this point in time as no one helps me with anything without expecting me to become their employee after I start to show them the possibilities.
In 1997 I designed a machine that has several functions. One is that it can be used to compress air. The cylinders do not get hot while compressing, there is no noise created, no vibration, it could sit easily on a fiberglass or metal roof and no one would know it was there except if driven by a motor and only the motor noise would be heard, it is made for 1 - 100rpm, it requires conservativly 70% less energy.
I designed a new internal combustion engine that requires much less fuel to run as there is no broken piston rod as conventional internal combustion engines.
I have designed and prototyped several systems for wind generation that can produce 50 to 200 times the energy of modern wind turbines.
I have and am in the process of testing a system for ocean waves that shows great potential as water motion contains at least 100 times the energy than the wind.
There are many things that I would like to just share but with how people are about dealing with my conversations as all they see is their own opinion, point of view, and bottom line I get sick.
My Grandfather was a German Engineer and Inventor, my Father retired from NIH as an Engineer and Inventor, my Brother is an Engineer at NIH. They make me sick as all who just worry about their own self and do nothing for society. And I am sick that I have these ideas and no one plain, simple, and honest that does not take advantage when they measure a dollar as more valuable than anything else. I have had fun making my prototypes and will continue.
So yes I have a problem. Now that I have found solutions how do I deal with people who are all about being the center of the universe all unto themselves while there are a billion people without drinking water that my own family thinks I am crazy for talking as if I could do something. So I show them nothing as they would piss on me too in a moment or try to see how they could profit from me.
I have owned several businesses. An Automotive Body, Custom, Race Car Shop in Md. for 15 years. A small Metal Manufacturing Facility with Automated Plasma, Laser, etc...
I have known owners of large Corporations as I worked on their cars. They are like spoiled little brats. But I learned from them. Steal their money, take their wife, but do not scratch their beloved cars or they will kill you. I lived with the rich in Potomac Md. Once I knew the games they play I left. I could get investment but then I would be expected to bark like a dog. Even knowing that as I write this every word is just for human consumption in the judgmental public eye. So yes I am sarcastic and fed up knowing that humans could help each other but instead people talk about how much money this... and how much money that... and I just laugh as I am always in great spirit.
Maybe what I write is worthless but do any of you know what reducing the cost of compressed air by 10% would have meant to General Motors, Manufacturing, the World Economy, etc...?
For just one year!!?? The U.S. spent 700 Billion in energy for the year 2000. How much went into replacement of motors that factories burn through and the down time of machines when compressed air motors last 20 to 50 years. What about the whole new industry that would grow if compressed air became accessible?
I had a friend who is the Chief Economist of the World Bank in Wash. D.C. and sits on the Board of a Global Business. These people get around, are well studied, but do they care. Nope. My partner of my last business was into studying everything, had clearance to many Gov't agencies and his Father worked for the U.S. Patent Office checking on Patent Attorneys and as I started to explain the engine design to them they were so happy they told me how much money we all would make. So I LEFT. I did not take my time to gather my equipment, did not ask for any part of my business. Sick.
So yes it is fun and funny to rant and rave to people I do not know as all of the others I LEFT as I am better off alone than with bad company.
I am working on this liquid which absorbs harmonics, vibration, etc... and changes the waves to movement. And I am always looking to see what else to get into.
So Climate Change and Global Warming are not my concern as humanity does nothing that causes or effects them. But the effort used to move energy around the world is a waste when machines could be put in place, made efficient, economical, and with low maintaining work needed (such as the difference between an air motor and electric motor), and the system would work for humanity rather than humanity remaining as slaves such as Europe which is being trained by Russia what the word power means since Europe depends on Russia's Energy and the U.S. who has an economy that seems to be falling as if the sky was falling. Those who do not know where the U.S. is headed will get to see things clearer when there is no more money for all that the U.S. wishes to appropriate with the once mighty dollar.
I have time, and I smile, as I am in no hurry and Steven Chu has no idea of what to do even if he is a physicist. Too much potential but aimed like the U.S. Trying to go everywhere, do everything, have everything, and still going nowhere. After the last hundred years of advancement how can there be more problems than solutions for the U.S. and the world?
It's probably the fault of people like me who talk too much from where you all view everything.
I just smile as I have nothing to lose. And I write to relax and learn something new.
Aloha BobMarley...another Konaboy!! Small world eh? And you're right. Discussions of this important thesis, especially one that will lead to massive government debt, massive strangling taxes, hyperunemployment, nationalization of private industry, socialization of our country, all for a theory based on junk science? Where emotions take presidence over facts and data that (as IMME has reported on) has been suppressed by the EPA? I've been emailing Dr. David Kreutzer at the Heritage foundation about this disgusting revelation.
"Where emotions take precedence over facts and data"
...so true. This is the reason why global warming has become such a big issue...it plays on the fears of killing mother earth like the worst possible villain of captain planet (the cartoon) so people feel like they are doing the right thing in defeating the “villain”.. which is basically enabling economic suicide.
It sounds like you have been deeply scared by some of the experiences in your life but if what you write is true then you need to get your "several systems for wind generation that can produce 50 to 200 times the energy of modern wind turbines" in front of investors if not for anything but goodness sake
No, I am not scared. I do not fear for myself. And yes what I write is the truth. I grew up helping my father make his machines from prototype to sending them to scientists in the U.S. and many countries. I would be happy to see my ideas expand into the world. But from experience I do get sick of the whole world and those who prevent ideas from doing work for humanity. Humanity does nothing for "Goodness sake" and that is the reason the world has been coming to where now everything appears to be standing still. As we write every day social unrest grows. The jobs lost are never coming back. There is nothing new to be made that shall not further hurt the idea of a free market. My ideas would hurt the developed societies that rely on products that become more expensive to make while costing less to purchase because of investors, investment expectations, and future's that have no reality due to how value is now established, estimated, and dictated by those who will retain their power by being in control of others.
There is nothing easy about going to investors who do not care about the societies where any new product is introduced, do not care about the ideas, do not care about the person with the ideas, etc... Everything they care about is just their bottom line. There will be no new investment for Argentina which will have to find a new way to survive on it's own excluded from the world because it has nothing new to present to the expectations of the world market that investors can bank on. Russia is in the gutter except for their energy resources that hold Europe on a leash. Turkey, Pakistan, Mexico are well on their way to becoming left behind like Argentina. The whole world needs to approach investors but there is nothing to approach them with. And my ideas would disrupt the balance of those in power. So I must be careful as to who's side I am on and who I help out for goodness sake if I plan on seeing people without clean water have a chance one day to be able to do more than get a free drink of water but also to be able to own the ability to know that the water will be there tomorrow too.
There have always been the times of quiet anticipation before people get angry and take to the streets. The signs are not so difficult to see. By October there will be people in the streets of the U.S. more than just with fear as the fear will turn to anger and the anger to find who to blame. While no American will ever acknowledge their part in the money grab that has taken place in amounts from that saved penny to the trillions spent to the trillions in credit given without knowing where people would be able to get the money for products and services already rendered.
I have not stopped working and only took a moment to tell others that there are ways to get more for free after more machines are put in place to work and if made requiring little maintenance. But the world would have to change as has been the case in the past.
I will continue but what the world is about to go through will make the Great Depression seem like just a bump on the road. There is no wishing bad to the world but take a look and see how the problems on the world stage are multiplying exponentially and those who say that more investment is needed while investment of the last 10 years has produced nothing but the need for more and larger investment. At some point people should figure out that investment is the problem and not the solution. Because investment is made only with the vested interest of a few rather than for the world as a whole.
I will bore you no more with my crazy speeches but as the housing market starts it's real decline next April 2010 and the disparity grows I can tell you that the only people who will be doing well will be the Psychiatrists and the Coroners.
woops...I meant "scarred" not scared =/
Yes there have been a lot of bad/evil investments in the last 10 years but that doesnt mean all investments and investors are bad. Investing in poor irresponsible people to buy houses they do not qualify to buy is bad...investing in wind power that is superior in every aspect then what is currently offered is good
I did see it as "scarred". I have no scar. Hate no one etc... I was just pointing out my reality just as Bob Marley was singing about his reality. No different than any black, negro, african american, colored, etc... or anyone who has been around oppressive people and bigots can point out that oppression exists and the job is of how to get around and past the obstacles in life. There is no skin off my knuckles.
More than bad investment is how many people in the world have become investors to the world with the expectations and interest of advantage over others. The world debt is coming close to passing world GDP. The world market must collapse before people can start to build once again as so many people now retire on the labor of others who are called the poor and irresponsible. Long ago people did not think of buying a home to be as a slave. They were simply called slaves. Society is still a mass slavery. For a few years in any pyramid scheme there seems to be plenty for all even the slaves do well. Then reality hits and the scheme becomes visible. This is now and will continue to happen and more stimulus will increase the collapse. No stimulus and the collapse will happen sooner. There is no way out of what will happen as the world will not know why but the reality will be as real as previous changes have taken place in the world.
There is more to what is seen as good for the world while the worldly control and keep ALL of the good things to themselves. I just have to make sure that I am not swept away with the trash after I give my ideas away.