Ranchers and conservationists have long been at odds over how to manage the populations of predators at the top of the food chain. Now that wolves have been recently delisted from the Federal Endangered Species Act, state governments in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming are wasting no time organizing hunts to reduce the animals' numbers, citing increased attacks on cattle as the reason for the culls. Conservationists are planning to respond with lawsuits against the federal government to attempt to bring the wolves back on the endangered list.
At the center of the argument is whether or not the animals have recovered substantially enough to absorb a sudden decline. By delisting the wolves, the federal government has acknowledged the successful stabilization of the population, but conservationists argue the numbers have to increase by twofold before there are enough breeding pairs to insure continued genetic success. State officials plan to reduce the overall western population by up to a third, a number Earthjustice—a nonprofit environmental law firm taking up the question in the courts—says is too low, too soon.
This kind of story makes me so angry! My husky is as close to a wolf as a dog can be and I know these animals are sensitive, feeling creatures that don't deserve to be hunted to extinction. Call me a bleeding liberal tree hugger if it makes you feel better but some days I think we deserve extinction ourselves. Billions live in poverty without adequate food and clean water and yet we can't tear out our forests fast enough to make more room for more cars and subdivisions. These wolves are considered a nuisance because they no longer have their own habitat. How dare they inconvenience us in search of food and shelter to survive.
I didn't know the purpose of the endangered species act was to bring something back from the brink of extinction, just to kill it off and end up right back where we started. The wolf numbers may be increasing, but without a large amount of genetic diversity, a single disease can wipe out the entire population. I think they need more time to thrive and spread out, even if someone loses a cow or two along the way.
Americans aren't the only ones who have shaped their land with little regard to its natural inhabitants... Europeans did it centuries ago, so long ago few people can name more than two or three large animals that live there now... I can't... does Europe have wolves? Or Bison? Elk? Bears?
Nothing will stop capitalism, save our own extinction.
Even if we get rid of all the wolves, once we're gone, our dogs will revert to something similar...
Maybe we should ban free-range cattle farming, and go back to letting the bison roam, then culling them like we do yearly with white-tail deer... cattle farming is a huge problem, on many levels... the amount of grain we grow for cattle, the fertilizers for that grain, the tillage and runoff, the natural inhabitants gone from the land; black-footed ferrets are endangered because cattle farmers didn't like their livestock's legs broken in prairie dog holes, poisoned the prairie dogs which poisoned the ferrets... Everything's connected...
I hope I can afford that steak for the grill tomorrow.... and swallow it past my shame.
if you look at the objectives of the fish and game in your local area you'll see that at no point are they trying to wipe out any animal populations. they are only trying to control the population to reduce the contact of humans and wildlife.
Where do you live? because if you think controlling the population is a bad thing it's a really good chance they are NOT in your backyard... OR you have never interacted with a wolve.....
We have the right to protect our animals (livestalk AND pets) and our children... If an animal habitually bothers humans they should be removed (and this does NOT mean relocated)
Indeed -- my guess is the speed of the federal government to re-list these beautiful animals on the endangered species list -- once humans have organized (using helicopters, even) and hunted them to protect their interests -- will be far outpaced by the speed of those hunters to do terrible damage. People really need to learn to structure their lives and businesses to coexist as peacefully as possible with the land in which they choose to live. If you can't live where you live and do what do without killing other things to do it, within reason, then you should live/do something else.
what you shouldn't be allowed to do in the first place is remove wild animals from their native habitat to suit your own selfish needs. Don't take it personally, but you are part of the problem, not the wolves.
why don't we just "control the population" of humans, because we are bothering the wolves a lot more than the wolves are bothering us.
""""Where do you live? because if you think controlling the population is a bad thing it's a really good chance they are NOT in your backyard... OR you have never interacted with a wolve.....
We have the right to protect our animals (livestalk AND pets) and our children... If an animal habitually bothers humans they should be removed (and this does NOT mean relocated)""""
Wolves aren't in your backyard, you're in THEIRS. Put up fence to keep your cows in... or are they grazing on PUBLIC lands? If you graze them on public/government lands, you don't get to decide, you take the risk.
What kind of frenking fence will keep a wolf or wolves from an innocent little calf. If people are so worried about wolves stop blogging about and join some organization. I mean you may convince a few people to side with you but then what. You'll just sit your butt on the couch and watch tv or cook dinner or go watch a movie. Do something about the problem join a conservationist group in your area and work to make habit for endangered species such as wolves and even other creatures that are not yet on the endangered species list. Heck, I've got mussels in the creek behind my house with salamanders, snails, bream, some baby bass, raccoons, opossums, white-tailed deer, great horned owls, barn owls, blue herons. The only thing I have done so far is let a few of my neighbors know what is in the creek so that we contribute to it thriving. In Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming just make more reservations for the animals in general that helps all species. Also, a person or persons needs to monitor the prey species to see if the wolf populations have any devastating effect on those species in the area. Also, any people here that eat meat, you may want think about this each time a cow is killed the price of milk or beef will go up so find a solution to this problem. The Native Americans worked with the land and so can we so we have to find the balance and where us and this busy society fit. Since wolves are not in my area presently, people have taken the place of the wolf to hunt beavers, birds, deer, and lots of other game. To add onto what I said about the reservations, if an animal comes off the large reservation then he is fair game. Podboq is saying that from the comfort of his home. Be careful, if you want to sleep next to rattlesnakes, water mocassins, mice, mosquitoes, wolves, black bears, cougars, and fire ants be my guest. Go camping in the mountains for a week that will help you notice more about nature and respect her more than you ever have.To let everybody, I bass fish, trout fish, and dove hunt (those birds are hard to shoot). I plan to deer hunt and turkey hunt sometime. I love animals like the rest of us on this site but let's find a balance. I am welcome to ideas of how to solve the growing wolf populations just keep posting here and we can discuss it thoroughly.
From the comfort of my home... unlike a lot of people, I've spent lots of time in wild areas. Of course I'm writing this from home, I haven't come to terms with the cost of satellite internet yet.
Btw, there is very little balance, it's mostly in the favor of people, mostly I say because there are reserves... you mention natives of this continent... what did we do with those of them who refused to join white society?
Put them on reserves.
Are they flourishing?
Calves aren't innocent... they don't even belong on this continent, unlike bison... those are on reserves too... there are so few that it wouldn't take much to lose the last one even now.
We shouldn't have to work for habitat, we ought to just leave what's there alone in the first place.
Remember, these problems didn't exist before Europeans invaded. Are the wolves the problem, or are the descendants of the people who felt entitled to this land?
No further comments your Honor, defense rests.
Podboq, we put them on reservations, but we made them walk long distances to the reservations so that didn't work. On top that, we gave them really bad land for farming and such. The reservations were also too small for the amount of people who lived on the land. So, I guess we all need to leave America before we do anymore damage. When are you leaving America podboq? When will we all be able to compress the several million people who live in America into to other countries that do not have democracies? Some people raise bison for meat like cows are raised for meat. That would probably be a better option than killing wolves because bison actually fight back. Podboq probably eats beef so what if all beef disappeared.
most native americans were hunter gatherers... not farmers, to stick them on desolate land and expect them to farm is the highest form of comedy.
Some people DO raise bison, that's true. But I don't think any do so naturally...
Point is, and it should be obvious to everyone: don't change the landscape to make it suit you while making it unsuitable for the inhabitants that made it suitable in the first place. Short-sighted retardism, that is.
Also, I saw on animal planet that they are collaring some wolves and placing some type of a device every ten miles on top of fence posts and when the wolf comes near then the device emits a sound which scares the wolves away. The sound sounded like a radio that was about to blow-up. Podboq, how do you suggest that we live since you seem to have all the answers. You same don't change the landscape at some time or another a person will change the landscape. The house you are living in changed the landscape. My house changed the landscape. For me game lands and reservations are the best solution for holding animal populations in a good balance and once in a while a good thing will come out to repel various animals.
i love animals just as much as anyone else here. and i've spent my fair share of time with animals. and i've got a question, why do we hunt animals like wolves? who eats a wolf? we just hang their head up on the wall so we can say "See that wolf, i spent a week tracking it down and i shot it at one hundred yards!" why? i think that we can live too, just live with the animals!!! i belive we can hunt animals without killing all of them! i like to hunt! i like to put my wits against theirs. i think we can live with animals, remember, we're going into their home, not the other way!!!
Totally cool with that. Out of curiosity, what do you hunt? Not to start a fight or anything (I think we are on the same side), I would love to have some ideas on how to live with wolves but not get bitten or them getting to used to humans. Maybe a way to scare them away or something.If we are going to live with them, I just want some ideas so that the kids in a neighborhood don't get stalked by wolves.
I like to hunt Deer, Turkey, mainly what we eat and that are not going to be endangered anytime soon (wish none of them where.) Not getting stalked would def help. lol. What i've found is that if there is wild game for them to hunt they pretty much leave people alone.
i know im thinking like a radical here, but maybe we should instead of killing the wolves, build walls around our towns. Not fences, walls. Im sure there is a downfall to this plan, but it just seems to me a better and more humane way to deal with our problems. and also, this would make it unneccesary to keep them in resservations. I know it would completely destroy the society the wav we know it, but it would save some animals. And possibly put walls on the side of roads, leaving enough room for cars to pull over. (sorry i saw a dead kitten in the road).
i know im thinking like a radical here, but maybe we should instead of killing the wolves, build walls around our towns. Not fences, walls. Im sure there is a downfall to this plan, but it just seems to me a better and more humane way to deal with our problems. and also, this would make it unneccesary to keep them in resservations. I know it would completely destroy the society the way we know it, but it would save some animals. And possibly put walls on the side of roads, leaving enough room for cars to pull over. (sorry i saw a dead kitten in the road).
This stuff is so wrong wolves should not be hunted.
How dare you hurt my brothers i have raised abandoned wolf pups before these creatures are beautiful creatures that deserve respect the human race invaded THEIR LAND!, i swear i personally hope that sombody rounds up the stupid bastards that hunt them and blast them back to the stone age, Leave the wolves alone!