24 to 40 candidates who will travel to Mars in groups of four. Mars One wants to land the first group (two men and two women, ideally from four different continents, says CEO Bas Lansdorp) on the red planet in 2023, with the other groups following one at a time, every two years. Applications close August 31, 2013.The ultimate goal is to select
The nonprofit organization plans to televise the final rounds of the search in 2014, which means the first humans on Mars may be reality TV stars. But first, Mars One is asking the public to rate the application videos to help narrow down the selection pool. According to Norbert Kraft, the chief medical officer and head of the astronaut selection program, aspiring Martians should have five qualities: resilience, adaptability, curiosity, empathy, and creativity.
To filter out spam and frivolous entries, Mars One is charging an application fee that varies by country (it's $38 in the United States). Applicants must create a 30- to 70-second video that explains why they want to go to Mars, and why they're the best candidate. The pool will be narrowed to 24 to 40 in 2015.
If you're one of the (uh, lucky?) people chosen for the program, you'll move to the United States to spend the next seven years as a full-time, salaried employee of Mars One. Nine months of each year will be spent learning dentistry, emergency medicine, general medicine, engineering, biology, mechanics—anything you might need to know on an inhospitable planet with a population of four. The other three months of each year will be spent in a Mars habitat mock-up, complete with a 40-minute communication delay to the outside world and simulated emergencies. The hardest thing they'll face during the simulation? A broken toilet, Lansdorp says. "That's when people get out of control."
It will cost $6 billion to get the first group of four to their new home (the reality show is supposed to fund the mission). The company will use SpaceX spacecraft to send rovers and supplies ahead of the astronauts, and then the SpaceX Falcon Heavy will get the crew to Mars, where they will assemble their habitat and begin growing their own food. Once on the red planet, the crew can do what they want—they won't be taking orders from Mars One or anyone else back on Earth. "They will make a new civilization," Kraft says. "They will make their own holidays, their own laws. We need to send mature people, because we won't be telling them what to do."
Hmm... Reality TV stars to represent humanity? This should be good.
Auroria you dont seem to know what you are talking about.
1) NASA is not doing this.
2) Young people on mars will come the same way we get them on earth. By being born, not dropped off by a spaceship.
They will need a king. I volunteer and promise to rule fairly.
The MARZ Empire will dominate the galaxy.
If this plan works the colony will need to advance really quickly to protect themselves from Earth.
They will need to develop long range weapons in secret.
And keep earth corporations on a short leash.
“Want to live and die on Mars?”
The real questions is what will the die of?
Radiation Poison? (There is no way the habitats pictures are going to be able to provide the radiation protection they will need)
Low Gravity Syndrome (muscle and bone atrophy from long term exposure to low gravity)
Starvation (after food crops fail because they did not bring long the right combination of microbes)
Mechanical failure of life critical system (because you can only fix it so many times)
Murder / Suicide (Honestly, did not of these people read The Shinning?)
I wonder how the reality show views will react when the last survivor begs to be rescued
“Martians should have five qualities: resilience, adaptability, curiosity, empathy, and creativity. “
Notice “Intelligence” is not on the list.
There are two positive to this plan; first there is zero chance they will ever get off the ground, second there is not a NASA project so no tax payer money is being wasted on this fool’s earn.
Humans should go to Mars, but this is just the wrong way to do it. There is a whole bunch of things we need to learn first. The biggest question is how will 1/3 gravity effect humans over the long term. This can be reached in Earth orbit using a centrifuge space station. Next we need to know how to build radiation proof shelters-this will likely involve building 30 to 50 feet underground. And before anyone even thinks about spending their whole life there we need to know of to mine local resources, no matter how good your recycling is you are still going to need fresh materials. This will likely require mining and industry in a dozen or more locations and the skills of 100s of people.
Difficulties aside this is really exciting. This is about building a colony on a different world. A new beginning. It will turn humanity into a multiplanetary species. And even if life on earth became extinct thanks to a massive asteroid impact, World War 3 or a dreadful global pandemic our species will survive.
These colonists like Columbus will be remembered in the history books for all time (well as long as humanity is around). They have my support even though they face huge obstacles this is true exploration, real settlers like the good old days when Europeans went out across the world in their sea worthy but still dangerous wooden ships to cross what must have seen incredible distances to seek new lands and new opportunities. Eventually new cities and whole new countries were born. Countries like the United States, Countries like Brazil, Canada, Mexico, Australia and more. These countries in themselves all continued to contribute massively to our species in culture, technology, ideas, etc.
So lets hope they get this mission of the ground and with regular freight and people movement between earth and mars who knows what new industries and new capabilities humanity will develop along the way.
yeah, humans did way worst in terms of exploration in the past, now that we have all this tech even enough intelegent kids can go and colonise another planet
WTF? that is not objective you ass..
No facts, No response...
and people whos says that MarsOne is flying blind...
WELL YEAH! thats what exploration is all about, discover new problems and deal with them(aka find solution)!
THATS WHY ITS SO EXITING! (we dont know if someone will go berserk on Mars and murder all the population on the planet, like 4person...)
No facts, No response...
This is too funny. The funniest thing about it is that many many people will apply that have no intention of going. The vast majority will just want to be reality stars. No one will be able to make them go when the time comes ... assuming it is possible so quickly.
Would you watch a reality show where lives were on the line?
Oh, and show us what their habitat would actually look like please! Honesty is a minimum requirement in such an endeavor.
can i grow coca and cannabis plants :D
Many, many people died proving the Earth was round. So what? We should have waited a few hundred years till it could be done safely? That is not how humans do things. Be realistic.
Of course it is dangerous, and some people will most likely die. Just like they are sure to if they don't go.
The organizers are clearly not stupid and are planning for every problem mentioned here.
They wisely did not ask that applicants be experts in any field, but instead will train people for years in every skill they need to complete the mission.
By launch time some people will drop out, and it will be a perfect time for new, already qualified experts to reevaluate the mission and decide if they want to join.
If qualified people at that time refuse to join it will be a clear sign that things are not yet as they should be.
If nothing else this project will provide valuable knowledge and accelerate the timeline for human exploration of other planets. Can you imagine how many children will be inspired by the greatest space mission ever? Even if this mission failed you could be sure the next one will not.
Think about it, nothing will ever overshadow this accomplishment. Not even finding life.
Everyone will want a piece of the action.
Do you really think no government or corporation is going to be interested in bringing some of these people back for the tremendous opportunity they represent?
Think bigger people! These colonists will be worth billions. Enough to justify bringing a few back to Earth where they will be rich and influential.
Corporations will want their name all over Mars. Everything the colony needs will be sponsored. Cars and trucks, heave equipment, electronics, food, clothes, spacecraft.
Imagine if the colony gets into difficulty and need help from Earth. What kind of publicity would that generate for the corporations who send the rescue mission to bring our people home safely?
Even a mission failure could be a profitable enterprise for Earth.
Hell, the T-shirt sales alone could pay for this.
I think Killer T has the right thoughts.
"We choose to do these things not because they are easy but, because they are hard."
Corporations, and nations, would jump all over themselves to be the ones to fully take on or help if the colonist were in trouble. The same would be true to send a pick up craft to take back samples of things that are there. Plants, maybe one of the colonist, and other things would be very interesting for Earth bound scientist to study.
"I went to help Mars colony, and all I got was this lousy T Shirt!"
Agree with everything you said.
The omission of "intelligence" is interesting. Not sure if it is an oversight or intentional. Notice that zero of the founders of Mars One are volunteering to go.
All kidding aside, does anyone remember Biosphere 2? Despite the huge facility and budget, it failed... twice. If we can't get a closed ecosystems with humans working here on Earth, how do we expect to do so on Mars? On Mars help can come only once a year, and the penalty of failure is death for the colonists. To my knowledge, the longest run of a closed ecosystems with humans was 6 months, and I don't know of any attempts to do so in the past decade.
I agree with Cholin3947 for the most part.
To add to his list:
Water. How will the colony survive without a continuous source of water? Please don't tell me they can mine it from the planet, there isn't even any proof that the planet is more than frozen dust... which brings me to another point... why try to populate a frozen desert? We haven't even colonized antarctica, and there is plenty of water and some food there. The water being shipped in will be used to hydrate the colonists and the plants, but even if they setup a water world type piss recycler, they will still run out over time by using it for their plant farms and certainly through evaporation. Water must continuously be shipped in off planet for survival. Mission Failure
Trade. Every colony on earth was started as a means for increasing trade and wealth. The success of each colony was driven by wealth, weather by resource mining or land use and ownership. The colonists will very quickly realize there is nothing to establish trade with earth, making them the poorest society in the universe and unable to develop an economy. If this is to be a long term venture, the colony will have to break free of their welfare and develop their own means to buy resources (the corporations supplying them are businesses and will only provide for them as long as they are turning a profit. Once the business loses interest or goes under, what will supply the colonists? Our government? More welfare tax for who opted out of going, and who see little value in the mission? What if our government collapsed? See the point? They need to be independent, and can't without something to trade with, and a means of transportation if ours fails. The colony will never be an independent economy. Mission Failure.
Resources. What resources would they have to trade with and more importantly to expand with? How will they setup mining plants without supplies continuously flowing in from earth? making them reliant on our rules (The planners said they would be free from our rule, but how will that be if they are dependent on our resources?) The point was made earlier about repairs. There will be many repairs needed. They said the broken toilet will be the hardest task. What happens when you use your last wax ring and now you have no where to dispose of fecal matter? Without the ability to produce more parts and invent new methods of recycling waste, you'll never be free from earth. Mission Failure
Disease. Can you imagine how fast disease will spread in a closed environment like that? Think about an airplane and how fast a cold spreads through its ventilation system. Everyone gets sick from bacteria and viral infections which will still plague the colony. The colony certainly wouldn't survive long without training the crew to develop antibiotics for their specific mutations, and even with training, supplies would again be needed. Diseases will also be an even bigger problem for future generations, as we will both have separate immunities, and our supplies will introduce new bacteria and viral infections they are not prepared for. (think about how many shots you need to get to be inoculated to go to SE Asia, or how the Aztecs were defeated by the Spaniards and you'll get the idea. The colony will continuously need antibiotics shipped in and live under the threat of rampant disease. Mission Failure.
Most of the problems I've mentioned can be solved by continuously supplying the colony from earth, but that will be expensive, and ultimately defeat the goal of being a separate and independent society.
I wish we could give about 6.75 billion people a one way trip to Alpha Centauri. If nothing there of use that's fine which too darn many people on this planet. Me included.
I really like your enthusiasm and optimism (are you applying?) but there are too many things wrong when comparing the explorers of the past to this venture.
We came from the sea and many folks enjoy being on the sea ... not 'empty space' and eventually a cell for the rest of their lives.
Those explorers expected to find richer lands ... not a barren new world.
They did not go expecting that death was likely and many did not even have a choice anyhow ... they were ordered by their regents.
In many cases, they may have chosen that lifestyle to avoid poverty, starvation and perhaps death at home. Many many would have regretted their choice.
These folks were in some cases 'wanderers', going where they pleased ... no such case for the Mars One folks.
When they were lost, most people didn't even know and followed them to oblivion. If the very first Mars mission fails, this project will be over and it will set back all other ventures perhaps for decades as the public will denounce further missions.
I really could go on and on. The point is, these two things should not be compared at all. You could perhaps compare one of the Antarctic explorers, especially those that were willing to go on their own (read about Felicity Aston for example). I think even they would not have gone if the conditions were such that they would have had to remain there forever (supply dropped). There is a reason they are not asking for qualified people. None would apply!
On a side note, there is only one thing that can trump finding evidence of life on Mars or elsewhere in the cosmos. That would be if aliens showed up here. Nothing else comes close!
Unfortunately, as much as I want to see other worlds colonized by us humans, I am afraid that this mission is about to end in tragedy.
Regardless of the technical, scientific, psychological and physiological of the final chosen crew, there still remains several serious practical questions to be answered.
How are you going to run a colony if you have no population growth? How are you going to be able to sustain population growth, unless can expand on your living spaces? How can you expand your living space, unless you open mines to collect the needed resources to build your living spaces. How are you going to smelt the ores to workable metals? How are you going to manufacture new space suits? Remember, the atmosphere is not breathable... Which also means that once you get fed up with your pals, you can't just pick up your Winchester and head for the hills. How are you going to build and repair the robots that are operating the mines?
And on and on... This is not your grand-grand-grand-grand-fathers emigration, but something very, very different.
The places where we humans have previously ventured, have all had at least some local resources to exploit for the exception of the Moon and maybe the Antarctic. Mars has nothing we can use without quite advanced processing. Water, and carbon dioxide, obviously. But not much else.
Even so, go for it! But understand the circumstances, and the propable outcomes.
Okay, I have to correct myself. You could essentially "blackmail" four people into going. What I mean is that you could promise that their families will be given millions once they get on board and lift off. In that case, many would sacrifice themselves for their loved ones. My own opinion is that would be unethical and I would not watch!
All I can picture is the people from the nursing home thrilled to be scootin' around in 2/5ths earth's gravity. :)
Water: Mars has tons of water. It has ice caps for god's sake. We haven't colonized Antarctica? At least 1000 people are stationed there at any time.
Trade/Economy: I'd write a book about living on Mars. Boom. $10 million dollars. That ought to buy me a new wax ring to fix my toilet when the next group lands. Motivational speaker, endorsements, movie rights. There are lots of very lucrative opportunities for pioneers. There's also no reason they couldn't do hundreds of jobs available on Earth. Want to be an accountant? Just email those documents.
Resources: How did Earthlings start mining without constant supplies flowing from another planet?
Disease: Recall that humans managed to survive before antibiotics existed. Commercial antibiotics are only 80 years old. The ISS has been continuously occupied for over 12 years without any dangerous disease outbreaks. In the 30 years of the Space Shuttle era, researchers found only 29 cases of disease transmission. That's in zero gravity where microbes thrive and our immune system doesn't. Presumably at fractional gravity things won't be as bad. Sick people walk right on a plane. Not so for a spaceship. Precautions like filtered air and a greater knowledge of pathology than the ancient Aztecs ought to be sufficient.
I don't think the water can be brought from the poles ... much like here.
Old folks will already have atrophied when they were young, so no advantage there.
They will not have enough medical resources to stay healthy over the long run, even if disease issues can be eliminated.
Mars ... the new location for tech support! Love that.
Look at the capsule in the drawing. That is doable but the living space would be tiny. Most of the space would be taken up by propulsion, air tanks and equipment. How many rockets are they planning to send? Mining? You're kidding right? With a pickaxe maybe.
Send a mission to Mars with real astronauts and bring them back!
The reason we don't bring water from the poles here is because we don't have to. I think it makes more sense to get it from the poles on Mars rather than ship it from Earth, especially if colonies are near the poles.
Atrophy is interesting because we have virtually no experience with anything except zero gravity. We'll only get better at understanding and preventing it though. I still think it offers an advantage. After all we don't lose 100% of our muscle and bone in zero gravity. 50% atrophy in 40% gravity would still feel pretty good I'd think. It's also less of an issue if you are never coming back to Earth.
We're on the same page with mining. The first miners on earth didn't have huge equipment we have today. Nor did they get help from another planet, as far as we know. Yet we now have a tremendous mining industry. They picked up funny colored stuff and hit it with a rock or saw something melt in a fire. It took around 40,000 years at least from the earliest known mine for us to figure out how to make a crude metal tool to mine more effectively. A decent pickaxe alone would skip over 99% of mining history on Earth. We've already identified large hematite deposits. A tabletop smelter and Mars is in the Iron Age.
I did take a look at more details of their plan. Good news is that they will launch in about 2 and a half years. They must be building the ship as we post. We won't have long to wait. So there apparently will be many launches ahead of the colonists (five?). I wonder how they plan to line up those modules so nicely.
I do like your comments so don't take offense by my rebuttals.
There are many places in the world that need fresh water and at one time, they tried moving an iceberg (not quite as difficult as getting water from Antarctica itself). So, it can't be done feasibly and I'm fairly certain you don't want your colony at the poles. So, transporting water thousands of miles is not an option.
As far as atrophy is concerned, I'm no expert but I believe the body efficiently gets rid of muscle, bone density and supporting structures if they are not needed. By old age, the gravity on Mars will seem the same as the gravity to an old person here. The only option would be to exercise at an extreme level for the rest of one's life. Also not feasible because of many problems that would develop long term.
The Iron Age comment was funny and appropriate. However, Mars colonists need technology of the 22nd century. On Earth, Iron Age technology would be more than sufficient of course. A long term viable Mars colony is quite different. I agree that they will make do with what they have available but that may not be enough to survive.
However, if supply ships can be constantly sent at a rate of 3 or four per year, it is plausible that some type of working bio system could be created. It would be really hard slugging for the first groups though.
No, no offense at all. I just like throwing out ideas and thinking of these things.
Here's a popsci article about the iceberg thing:
I think access to water is a strong argument for a polar colony. Water is so fundamental to survival and it's heavier (more expensive) than any other consumables. Ice would be easy to handle and a source for hydrogen and oxygen too. Constant sunlight summers would actually be really nice. Winters would be... a challenge. I could see a faster Curiosity-sized rover harvesting and delivering water to a more equatorial site though. Water recycling on the ISS is ~95% efficient so a couple hundred pounds every few months to top off should be enough for the first 4 people.
I still think low gravity will be a benefit (and might be a reason one way trips are all that is feasible). Like I said, we don't lose anywhere near all our bone and muscle in zero gravity for a year+, so I'm hopeful even over a much longer time we wouldn't lose 60% in 40% gravity. I'd guess the rate of loss slows over time to, though the double-whammy of old age might complicate things. Exercise won't be nearly as awkward in partial gravity as zero-g either. Bringing old people back to Earth, after all that time in low and zero-g, might not be possible unless some major improvements are made.
Iron could be useful to colonists. Weight nor rust would be as big an issue as on earth. One idea I read was fairly crude rectennas to capture power beamed from orbit. Or weights! The staple of earthly exercise, useless in zero-g, but returning to usefulness on Mars. Imagine granny curling what would be a 50lb dumbbell on Earth! It might be slow, but all you need to do is mine enough iron ore with your pickaxe to make another pickaxe plus a little extra and you're making progress. That's one less thing they have to bring on the next ship.
On a broader note, what separates this from colonies in the past is that, though physical trade or support will be much harder, the exchange of data and ideas would be unprecedentedly fast. We're not sending colonists in blind to unmapped territory. We have orbiters gathering constantly more data. We'll find a really good spot to settle beforehand instead of just guessing. Like I mentioned we already know where a lot of the resources are, so they won't waste energy having to discover on their own.
Worst case scenario barring catastrophe is some people that weren't coming back anyways die sooner than we thought, we learn a whole lot, and there's a bunch of stuff on Mars that the next people to go can use for something.
A foolish endeavor. Too many obstacles involved.
A sustainable moon colony, perhaps.
Okay, I stand corrected ... the iceberg thing was never actually tried. Again "feasible" does not actually mean it is good idea. I realize that I used the term myself but what I meant was "not practical". The poles are logical because of the water but at the expense of so many other things. Consider just the reduced solar power. Also, I don't think anyone would ever choose polar "days" if given a choice. As for transporting water, that would be truly challenging over likely difficult terrain. However, if the water recovery efficiency is that high, it might prove more practical to bring it from Earth.
As for the gravity, keep in mind that the ISS folk exercise regularly and I think even despite this, they continue losing muscle etc. If not for the exercise, I think the loss would be quite dramatic. Not sure though.
You have a good sense of humor. Certainly a funny image of granny body building! Also I got a chuckle from the Minecraft-like progression. Well, severe forced labor will keep them in shape. Hey, when the first colonists die quickly, that opens up new living space ... send some more. Someone has to bury the previous group! More exercise!
Now I'm wondering what happens when one colonist takes over and kills one or two others. Do we ignore it, respond with force ... or stop supplies? I think you'd have to be a bit off the deep end to go in the first place (unless pressured) so such a scenario is possible. Not only that, an "ambitious" type can declare themselves king and hold the others as hostage, thereby demanding that supplies continue.
They will have about a 5% chance of landing safely on Mars, using the technology available for a 2023 flight. And even if a few of them do make it to Mars, it's highly likely most of their supplies will not land intact. The reality is that these Mars pioneers will suffer a tragic and miserable fate, rather than the glorious experience of exploration and discovery they are being promised.
Ya ... but technically, I don't think you have to be alive to be the first person on Mars.
How do I go about enrolling Rush Limbaugh? If there's a fee, I'm confident there would be a huge over-subscription to bring this about.
Talk about not being able to pick your parents ... imagine being BORN on Mars!