On the heels of the Obama administration’s announcement that it will move away from hydrogen fuel cell funding came an invitation from Volkswagen to visit the California Fuel Cell Partnership in Sacramento, CA and test drive one of their fuel cell prototypes.
Well, why not?
VW has been developing fuel cells since 1998, and has been a member of the California Fuel Cell Partnership since 2000. John Tillman, Program Manager of Volkswagen’s Advanced Powertrain Research Program, has worked closely with the vehicles since the inception of VW’s fuel cell program. He is positive that they have “solved a lot of the problems from back in 2000.” Though he admits “fuel cell durability is still a challenge.”

The specific vehicles we were able to get into contain a fuel cell stack that produces 55 kW of power. Other prototypes have been modified to deliver up to 85-90 kW, but as Tillman mentioned durability tends to be an issue with fuel cells. When a vehicle houses a smaller battery to accommodate for the larger fuel cell, the fuel cell ends up powering the drive for a longer period of time, causing it to break down more quickly.
So, does a hydrogen-powered Passat drive like the future? It’s no DeLorean time machine, but it’s pretty close. Electric cars are silent and clean diesels have that subtle, torquey burble, but the fuel cell vehicle whirred gently down the road, making the occasional noise that sounded eerily similar to carnival ride hydraulics. With all the whirring and buzzing, it was futuristic indeed.
If we want to nit-pick, the air conditioning can’t be turned on unless you find repetitive grinding from the electric motor soothing, and the vibrations from the fuel cell, which spans the entire length of the cabin, transmit into the seats. Think of it as driving with surround sound. Undoubtedly, the engineers are more concerned with fuel cell durability than the odd noise and burp here and there.
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I am so glad Obama is not buying this scam.These cars are 100% electric and they only use the Hydrogen to create a chemical reaction to charge the battery.
Know why 9 years later they are still trying to get these on the streets?
So we will still have to buy gas at the pump for an electric car. Only now it is Hydrogen rather than gasoline and we won't burn it to charge the battery it is a chemical reaction.
We finally get the electric car and they want us to buy gas to charge it.
I guess an alternator on each tire, solar panels on the roof trunk and hood, and wind turbines spinning in the grill to charge the battery would not keep us paying at the pump. Or keep us lining the pockets of the oil companies who can use their current refineries to create the Hydrogen.
Spread the word and fight this scam!!!!!!
being able to refuel an "electric" car at a pump is not a scam and has a benefit for the consumers. As long as it takes hours to charge up a conventional electric car, electric cars do not give the full freedom that we are used to with combustible engine cars. If they make a quick charging electric car, then the point is valid, but as the technology has not gotten their yet (and for all we know, never will) hydrogen fuel cells are still a viable option to explore.
I don't think that hydrogen fuel cell powered cars will be an option any time soon.Unless,of course,a technology such as hydrogen on demand is perfected.There are projects that would use pure zinc metal to generate hydrogen when combined with plain water.The reaction is simple: Zinc strips the Oxygen from the H2O leaving pure H2.When your tank of zinc is used up,you stop at a filling station for more pure zinc.Your used zinc oxide is collected and converted to metallic zinc in a solar furnace.No problems transporting volatile H2 gas,just distribute powdered zinc metal.See: tinyurl.com/c9ue9z
Hydrogen can be used in diesel cars i have seen it also if we find a way to get hydrogen out of water faster. We can just pour water in are cars charge are battery and fuel are car.
It may have been a simpler process to develop an internal cumbustion engine fueled with hydrogen, or even external combustion, it would have the same emisions benefits with the added ease of fuel storage. A hydrogen powered stirling engine coupled to an electric drive system. Stirling engines could be the best thing for a hybrid type vehicle. Anyway Im sure theres easier ways to convert this flamable gas into mechanical energy with an easy way to refuel and safe storage.
I agree with the first guy 100%, Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology is indeed a scam. It is just another pitch for snake oil that will have the majority of the uneducated public believing that the governments are investing in clean efficient technologies with the public’s best interests at heart.
Unfortunately they are squandering billions of our taxpaying dollars to find another way to their hands on some of your hard earned dollars every time you charge your vehicles batteries. As Voices1776 said, these are just electric vehicles when you strip away the fuel cell technology, and they will need to be charged somehow.
Fuel cells are just a very expensive and inefficient means of converting electric energy into something that can be physically transported, distributed, and billed for in the same way conventional oil companies do it today.
Think about the process here guy's:
Oil burning coal fired power plant provides the juice needed to crack and separate the hydrogen from water via electrolysis --> the hydrogen is compressed to liquid state --> fueled into tankers --> driven thousands of miles and distributed to filling stations --> pumped into your tank --> and converted back into Electricity and water via your vehicles fuel cell.
Does any of this make any sense to anyone but the accountants?? How about this process:
Fill your vehicles tank with water --> Use the vehicles battery to crack and separate the hydrogen + oxygen (Hydroxy) on demand as you need to burn it --> by product is Electricity and water.
If your scratching your head and asking yourself why it has not yet been done, Google "water powered buggy" and "Stan Meyers".. enjoy some interesting reading.
Folks, i can sit here all day and preach, but the best thing you can do is go research and educate yourselves on the topic. Form your own educated decisions, don't buy into the Sales pitches that they force down our throats without asking your own questions.
To dameatman
Your vehicles batteries dont contain enough energy to sustain this operation. I know it sounds good but there a few laws of thermodynamics that say while it sounds fun to power a generator with hydrogen and use the power from the generator to release the hydrogen from the water there is to much lost in inneficeincy. It doesnt mean you cant use hydrogen as a good power source but it does mean you cant provide for free energy from water.
Iraqistan is right, simple laws of physics prove that Stan Meyers buggy is not possible at a large scale.
Also, the comments here about hydrogen being a scam is all so true. Hydrogen CANNOT be stored or TRANSPORTED with our current infastructure. Current tanks, tankers, gas lines, etc. will not contain it. It will leak out and be lost. The fuel and gas industry is dearly trying to hang onto something it can store and sell in the future.
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But you guys now what i think we should put are energy in to making electric cars there easier cleaner and cheaper to fix you can fuel it at home heck you can even use a hand crank to fuel it if you run out power on the road. And hydrogen is harder to get even if you did try to get hydrogen from water it would take while before you could go any where.
Will some body answer.